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WASHINGTON (Oct. 27) - Law enforcement agents have broken up a plot by two neo-Nazi skinheads to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 88 black people, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives said Monday. In court records unsealed Monday in U.S. District Court in Jackson, Tenn., federal agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target a predominantly African-American high school in a murder spree that was to begin in Tennessee. Agents said the skinheads did not identify the school by name.

 

Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of ATF's Nashville field office, said the two men planned to kill 88 people, including 14 African-Americans by beheading. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community. The men also sought to go on a national killing spree after the Tennessee murders, with Obama as its final target, Cavanaugh told The Associated Press. "They said that would be their last, final act ? that they would attempt to kill Sen. Obama," Cavanaugh said. "They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying." An Obama spokeswoman traveling with the senator in Pennsylvania had no immediate comment. The men, Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tenn., and Paul Schlesselman 18, of Helena-West Helena, Ark., are being held without bond. Agents seized a rifle, a sawed-off shotgun and three pistols from the men when they were arrested. Authorities alleged the two men were preparing to break into a gun shop to steal more. The two men were arrested Oct. 22 by the Crockett County, Tenn., Sheriff's Office. "Once we arrested the defendants and suspected they had violated federal law, we immediately contacted federal authorities," said Crockett County Sheriff Troy Klyce.

 

Attorney Joe Byrd, who has been hired to represent Cowart, did not immediately return a call seeking comment Monday. Messages left on two phone numbers listed under Cowart's name were not immediately returned. No telephone number for Schlesselman in Helena-West Helena could be found immediately. Cowart and Schlesselman are charged with possessing an unregistered firearm, conspiring to steal firearms from a federally licensed gun dealer, and threatening a candidate for president. The investigation is continuing, and more charges are possible, Cavanaugh said. The court records say Cowart and Schlesselman also bought nylon rope and ski masks to use in a robbery or home invasion to fund their spree, during which they allegedly planned to go from state to state and kill people. For the Obama plot, the legal documents show, Cowart and Schlesselman "planned to drive their vehicle as fast as they could toward Obama shooting at him from the windows." "Both individuals stated they would dress in all white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt," the court complaint states. "Both individuals further stated they knew they would and were willing to die during this attempt." Cavanaugh said there's no evidence ? so far ? that others were willing to assist Cowart and Schlesselman with the plot. He said authorities took the threats very seriously. "They seemed determined to do it," Cavanaugh said. "Even if they were just to try it, it would be a trail of tears around the South." The court documents say the two men met about a month ago on the Internet and found common ground in their shared "white power" and "skinhead" philosophy. The numbers 14 and 88 are symbols in skinhead culture, referring to a 14-word phrase attributed to an imprisoned white supremacist: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" and to the eighth letter of the alphabet, H. Two "8''s or "H''s stand for "Heil Hitler."

 

Helena-West Helena, on the Mississippi River in east Arkansas' Delta, is in one of the nation's poorest regions, trailing even parts of Appalachia in its standard of living. Police Chief Fred Fielder said he had never heard of Schlesselman. However, the reported threat of attacking a school filled with black students worried Fielder. Helena-West Helena, with a population of 12,200, is 66 percent black. "Predominantly black school, take your pick," he said.

 

Sickening.That's all I can really say about this. Sadly, I think there will be many stories like this.

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I was only a matter of time before a story such as this occured, sad, of course, but surprising, not at all.

 

Like I said before, sadly I believe Obama will eventually be assassinated by one of those Southern confederates who still believe in slavery and hate black people.

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Im a southerner, I wave my confederate flag proudly, but not as a symbol of ideology or hate, as a symbol of my very proud southern heritage. I would be deeply angry if someone were to kill Obama. While I dont want him as president, I want him alive and healthy and happy long enough to see his grandchildren grow up. In fact, I am fairly certain I would like him as a person.

 

I say this for a reason. I am the typical proud southerner. Not everyone who takes pride in the stars and bars are hate mongers. I take offense to lumping all of us in with a misguided few.

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This is a non-story, there are assholes that threaten Presidents all the time, it seems like a feeble attempt to move the discussion away from the potentially damaging comments by Obama about redistribution of wealth.

 

They're only damaging if you are a brain-washed right-wing conservative who has been led to believe Obama is some sort of socialist who will tax everyone and distribute it. I think it's pretty safe to say when the president of Socialist Party USA says Obama is not a socialist, then he's not a socialist. Also, would Warren Buffet, the biggest beneficiary of the capitalist system in the country, support a socialist? Don't think so.

 

News flash: Barack Obama wants to redistribute the wealth from the wealthy, not the middle class! The middle class absolutely cannot afford a tax increase right now, and Obama knows that, so he is increasing the taxes for the ultra-wealthy. In case you hadn't noticed, we are already a 'tax the wealthy' society. It's not a new concept. The more you make, the more they take. It's been going on for years and years. The only people who would see a tax increase under Obama OR McCain's policy would be those making over $600k (source: Washington Post)

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Im a southerner, I wave my confederate flag proudly, but not as a symbol of ideology or hate, as a symbol of my very proud southern heritage. I would be deeply angry if someone were to kill Obama. While I dont want him as president, I want him alive and healthy and happy long enough to see his grandchildren grow up. In fact, I am fairly certain I would like him as a person.

 

I say this for a reason. I am the typical proud southerner. Not everyone who takes pride in the stars and bars are hate mongers. I take offense to lumping all of us in with a misguided few.

Anyone who proudly waves the confederate flag deserves to be lumped into the same group. The flag is a symbol of slavery and racism. It cannot be separated from that.

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Im a southerner, I wave my confederate flag proudly, but not as a symbol of ideology or hate, as a symbol of my very proud southern heritage. I would be deeply angry if someone were to kill Obama. While I dont want him as president, I want him alive and healthy and happy long enough to see his grandchildren grow up. In fact, I am fairly certain I would like him as a person.

 

I say this for a reason. I am the typical proud southerner. Not everyone who takes pride in the stars and bars are hate mongers. I take offense to lumping all of us in with a misguided few.

Anyone who proudly waves the confederate flag deserves to be lumped into the same group. The flag is a symbol of slavery and racism. It cannot be separated from that.

Couldnt disagree with you more.

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This is a non-story, there are assholes that threaten Presidents all the time, it seems like a feeble attempt to move the discussion away from the potentially damaging comments by Obama about redistribution of wealth.

 

attempt by who, the police in rural Tennessee??

 

 

 

but yeah there is no shortage of crazy out there.

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Im a southerner, I wave my confederate flag proudly, but not as a symbol of ideology or hate, as a symbol of my very proud southern heritage. I would be deeply angry if someone were to kill Obama. While I dont want him as president, I want him alive and healthy and happy long enough to see his grandchildren grow up. In fact, I am fairly certain I would like him as a person.

 

I say this for a reason. I am the typical proud southerner. Not everyone who takes pride in the stars and bars are hate mongers. I take offense to lumping all of us in with a misguided few.

Anyone who proudly waves the confederate flag deserves to be lumped into the same group. The flag is a symbol of slavery and racism. It cannot be separated from that.

Couldnt disagree with you more.

 

I don't personally own a confederate flag nor do I plan on buying one. I do however disagree that it is a symbol of slavery and racism. If that is the case the United States flag is no better.

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Im a southerner, I wave my confederate flag proudly, but not as a symbol of ideology or hate, as a symbol of my very proud southern heritage. I would be deeply angry if someone were to kill Obama. While I dont want him as president, I want him alive and healthy and happy long enough to see his grandchildren grow up. In fact, I am fairly certain I would like him as a person.

 

I say this for a reason. I am the typical proud southerner. Not everyone who takes pride in the stars and bars are hate mongers. I take offense to lumping all of us in with a misguided few.

Anyone who proudly waves the confederate flag deserves to be lumped into the same group. The flag is a symbol of slavery and racism. It cannot be separated from that.

Couldnt disagree with you more.

 

I don't personally own a confederate flag nor do I plan on buying one. I do however disagree that it is a symbol of slavery and racism. If that is the case the United States flag is no better.

Really? Why did the southern states succeed from the union?

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Im a southerner, I wave my confederate flag proudly, but not as a symbol of ideology or hate, as a symbol of my very proud southern heritage. I would be deeply angry if someone were to kill Obama. While I dont want him as president, I want him alive and healthy and happy long enough to see his grandchildren grow up. In fact, I am fairly certain I would like him as a person.

 

I say this for a reason. I am the typical proud southerner. Not everyone who takes pride in the stars and bars are hate mongers. I take offense to lumping all of us in with a misguided few.

Anyone who proudly waves the confederate flag deserves to be lumped into the same group. The flag is a symbol of slavery and racism. It cannot be separated from that.

Couldnt disagree with you more.

 

I don't personally own a confederate flag nor do I plan on buying one. I do however disagree that it is a symbol of slavery and racism. If that is the case the United States flag is no better.

Really? Why did the southern states succeed from the union?

 

I'd encourage you to take a US history survey course at your local community college. Slavery is one of many issues. The United States is not in anyway some kind of role model for social progress. After the Emancipation Proclamation, even 100 years later, they stood idly by while African Americans were denied their constitutional right to vote. I'm partly playing Devil's advocate here but I do believe that painting the Confederate flag as a symbol only of racism and hate is unfair to US history. Not to mention, the stars and bars wasn't even the flag of the confederacy.

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Im a southerner, I wave my confederate flag proudly, but not as a symbol of ideology or hate, as a symbol of my very proud southern heritage. I would be deeply angry if someone were to kill Obama. While I dont want him as president, I want him alive and healthy and happy long enough to see his grandchildren grow up. In fact, I am fairly certain I would like him as a person.

 

I say this for a reason. I am the typical proud southerner. Not everyone who takes pride in the stars and bars are hate mongers. I take offense to lumping all of us in with a misguided few.

Anyone who proudly waves the confederate flag deserves to be lumped into the same group. The flag is a symbol of slavery and racism. It cannot be separated from that.

Couldnt disagree with you more.

 

I don't personally own a confederate flag nor do I plan on buying one. I do however disagree that it is a symbol of slavery and racism. If that is the case the United States flag is no better.

Really? Why did the southern states succeed from the union?

Slavery didnt just happen in the south, first and foremost.

 

In fact, the vast majority of the American south-even in the days leading up to the civil war-owned no slaves whatsoever. And slavery was only one of many root causes, along with expanding federal government and disputes over tariffs.

 

Slavery was a horrible thing, no arguments here, but to say a flag that many hold dear because it is a symbol of their southern values and heritage is nothing more than a symbol of hate and racism is ignorant on your part.

 

Id also like to add that the North, in many places, was much slower to desegregate than the south. The last high school in the US to desegregate was in Illinois for example.

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I'd encourage you to take a US history survey course at your local community college. Slavery is one of many issues. The United States is not in anyway some kind of role model for social progress. After the Emancipation Proclamation, even 100 years later, they stood idly by while African Americans were denied their constitutional right to vote. I'm partly playing Devil's advocate here but I do believe that painting the Confederate flag as a symbol only of racism and hate is unfair to US history. Not to mention, the stars and bars wasn't even the flag of the confederacy.

Slavery is the only states-rights issue any state cared about. I need not take a US history survey course, because I already have credit for Hist 242 at a good university.

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I'd encourage you to take a US history survey course at your local community college. Slavery is one of many issues. The United States is not in anyway some kind of role model for social progress. After the Emancipation Proclamation, even 100 years later, they stood idly by while African Americans were denied their constitutional right to vote. I'm partly playing Devil's advocate here but I do believe that painting the Confederate flag as a symbol only of racism and hate is unfair to US history. Not to mention, the stars and bars wasn't even the flag of the confederacy.

Slavery is the only states-rights issue any state cared about. I need not take a US history survey course, because I already have credit for Hist 242 at a good university.

 

I agree with Madman. Does "Dred Scott" ring a bell? Also, James Buchanan (universally considered to be the worst President in history (and also the "most qualified", hint, hint)) wanted to use federal troops to ensure that Kansas enter the Union as a slave state. Heck, Buchanan even said after his inauguration that the main focus of his administration would be "to arrest, if possible, the agitation of the Slavery question at the North and to destroy sectional parties. Should a kind Providence enable me to succeed in my efforts to restore harmony to the Union, I shall feel that I have not lived in vain." So don't give me the "states' rights" crap, because it was always about slavery. Even every economic issue that is claimed to be related to secession is tied in some way to slavery. The South liked government, just not the incoming Republican administration of Abraham Lincoln.

 

And THAT'S why the Confederate flag represents nothing for hate. Because the sad truth is there is no such thing as "Southern heritage and culture", unless you define it as above. And if there is, well, I'd like to know what it is, as believed by Confederate flag-waivers, because they NEVER define "Southern heritage". They just say it. Heck, does anyone remember why South Carolina started flying the Confederate flag in the first place?

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News flash: Barack Obama wants to redistribute the wealth from the wealthy, not the middle class! The middle class absolutely cannot afford a tax increase right now, and Obama knows that, so he is increasing the taxes for the ultra-wealthy. In case you hadn't noticed, we are already a 'tax the wealthy' society. It's not a new concept. The more you make, the more they take.

 

 

I think it's funny how you make this sound like such a good thing and we should all just go "oh...ok that's fine to steal and redistribute those people's wealth"

 

It's been going on for years and years. The only people who would see a tax increase under Obama OR McCain's policy would be those making over $600k (source: Washington Post)

 

 

What happened to the $250K number Obama himself has been throwing out all election?

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He's probably talking about gross income (re: the $600k) rather than adjusted income (re: the $250k).

 

Go to http://taxcut.barackobama.com/ to play with the permutations.

Ex.: A head of household making $200k-$250k with at least three dependants (wife+2 kids) and an outstanding mortgage balance of $100k will receive a $609 tax cut under Obama's plan, compared with $336 under McCain's plan. The calculator will even be honest with you about not receiving a tax cut (for example, if the person above owns the house outright with the mortgage completely paid off, he probably won't receive a tax cut under Obama's plan. But then again, he won't have to pay for a mortgage either).

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I'd encourage you to take a US history survey course at your local community college. Slavery is one of many issues. The United States is not in anyway some kind of role model for social progress. After the Emancipation Proclamation, even 100 years later, they stood idly by while African Americans were denied their constitutional right to vote. I'm partly playing Devil's advocate here but I do believe that painting the Confederate flag as a symbol only of racism and hate is unfair to US history. Not to mention, the stars and bars wasn't even the flag of the confederacy.

Slavery is the only states-rights issue any state cared about. I need not take a US history survey course, because I already have credit for Hist 242 at a good university.

 

I agree with Madman. Does "Dred Scott" ring a bell? Also, James Buchanan (universally considered to be the worst President in history (and also the "most qualified", hint, hint)) wanted to use federal troops to ensure that Kansas enter the Union as a slave state. Heck, Buchanan even said after his inauguration that the main focus of his administration would be "to arrest, if possible, the agitation of the Slavery question at the North and to destroy sectional parties. Should a kind Providence enable me to succeed in my efforts to restore harmony to the Union, I shall feel that I have not lived in vain." So don't give me the "states' rights" crap, because it was always about slavery. Even every economic issue that is claimed to be related to secession is tied in some way to slavery. The South liked government, just not the incoming Republican administration of Abraham Lincoln.

 

And THAT'S why the Confederate flag represents nothing for hate. Because the sad truth is there is no such thing as "Southern heritage and culture", unless you define it as above. And if there is, well, I'd like to know what it is, as believed by Confederate flag-waivers, because they NEVER define "Southern heritage". They just say it. Heck, does anyone remember why South Carolina started flying the Confederate flag in the first place?

 

 

By this logic the American flag is much worse. It represents a new nation founded upon land which was stolen away from the Native Americans. Americans brutally murdered the people who had the proper claim to the land. The 'Americans' entered their villages and performed heinous acts of rape and murder. Then there was a forced deportation to the Oklahoma territory among others.

 

The Genocide of the Native americans rivals and even surpasses in terms of sheer numbers any of the 20th century genocides. If the Confederate flag is a symbol of slavery and hate, the American flag is a symbol of murder, rape, and genocide.

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