Wouldn't you think that there's a reason the 40 man is now the 36 man, I know I do. You can't look at DLC in a vacuum, the same thing is going on at 29 other spring training sites. I like DLC, have for a pretty long while but time marches on. There's another kid coming up through the system, and another, another, maybe he'll find his niche with the Padres but obviously the front office is executing their plan and he wasn't part of it.

 

 

I was going to make a coment about how Royce Ring was just waived and wondering if we did it to claim him. Than I looked at his career numbers and realized he isn't near the pitcher I thought he was (Career 1.53 WHIP against LHB...not exactly a left handed specialist).

Obviously Beinfest wasn't too worried about losing one of the more intimidating (ahahahaah) pitchers on the staff. Its a possibility that he is better than what we have left, but we have mixed and matched our bullpen for years, De La Cruz is very replaceable.

That's not the point. The point is how you get every last bit of value out of everything you do.

 

We may have given away Nelson, and now Cruz, away for free. And each of them is capable of throwing 60+ innings at under a 4 era. I have a problem with these kinds of moves, even if we can just acquire the next Calero, or whoever, to basically do the same thing.

 

On the surface, the move is frustrating. But then I realize that there is no reason to cry over spilled milk, and that is all De La Cruz is, spilled milk.

Some people have no foresight, no vision.

If you had ever heard of him in the Tigers organization then I give you major props. If not, then you've only known of his existence for the past 15 months, and have only seen him pitch for the past year.

 

What has he ever done to impress all you people??? This is a minor deal in the long run everybody, minor.

 

 

He's been a very serious RP prospect for awhile now....

 

as in, years and years.

If you had ever heard of him in the Tigers organization then I give you major props. If not, then you've only known of his existence for the past 15 months, and have only seen him pitch for the past year.

 

What has he ever done to impress all you people??? This is a minor deal in the long run everybody, minor.

 

 

He's been a very serious RP prospect for awhile now....

 

as in, years

 

I'd rather have Jose Ceda, and its not even close.

wow, we are getting more people whining about us releasing De La Cruz than we got people who whined about Nelson leaving, who was our best reliever last season. Crazy world we're living in.

If you had ever heard of him in the Tigers organization then I give you major props. If not, then you've only known of his existence for the past 15 months, and have only seen him pitch for the past year.

 

What has he ever done to impress all you people??? This is a minor deal in the long run everybody, minor.

 

 

He's been a very serious RP prospect for awhile now....

 

as in, years

 

I'd rather have Jose Ceda, and its not even close.

 

That's debatable, and even if it isn't....and? What does Jose Ceda have to do with ANYTHING about DLC? Seriously? This wasn't a choice between Jose Ceda and DLC.

Wouldn't you think that there's a reason the 40 man is now the 36 man, I know I do. You can't look at DLC in a vacuum, the same thing is going on at 29 other spring training sites. I like DLC, have for a pretty long while but time marches on. There's another kid coming up through the system, and another, another, maybe he'll find his niche with the Padres but obviously the front office is executing their plan and he wasn't part of it.

I'm with you here big time with the 40 man.

 

Calero gets us to 37, I'm going to say Raynor or De Aza is added too because it looks like we will be revolving 4th OF all year until one of them hits, and that leaves two slots. Hopefully for an improved backup catcher, and another reliever. And that's that.

OH NOEZ THE SKY IZ FALLIN!!!!1111

 

Guys, calm down. Seriously. Does the trade make a whole lot of sense? No, not really. At least not until we find out who we got from San Diego. But it's not that big a deal. De La Cruz is not the next Mariano Rivera. At worst, he is going to be nothing. At best, he's going to be your typical bounce-around closer who wears a different uniform every year. Guys like him are a dime a dozen. I still have faith that Beinfest knows what he's doing, and that he wouldn't do this unless it made sense for the team. Everything is gonna be alright.

OH NOEZ THE SKY IZ FALLIN!!!!1111

 

Guys, calm down. Seriously. Does the trade make a whole lot of sense? No, not really. At least not until we find out who we got from San Diego. But it's not that big a deal. De La Cruz is not the next Mariano Rivera. At worst, he is going to be nothing. At best, he's going to be your typical bounce-around closer who wears a different uniform every year. Guys like him are a dime a dozen. I still have faith that Beinfest knows what he's doing, and that he wouldn't do this unless it made sense for the team. Everything is gonna be alright.

The original article was a release, not a waiver-trade, so that fixes a lot of initial excitement cause at least something is going to come back. I will be more than happy to reserve judgment until we see the finality of this transaction, however, it's pretty scary with our bullpen depth we're willing to let go of a guy who has been a pretty well thought of prospect for at least 3 years when we have limited depth.

OH NOEZ THE SKY IZ FALLIN!!!!1111

 

Guys, calm down. Seriously. Does the trade make a whole lot of sense? No, not really. At least not until we find out who we got from San Diego. But it's not that big a deal. De La Cruz is not the next Mariano Rivera. At worst, he is going to be nothing. At best, he's going to be your typical bounce-around closer who wears a different uniform every year. Guys like him are a dime a dozen. I still have faith that Beinfest knows what he's doing, and that he wouldn't do this unless it made sense for the team. Everything is gonna be alright.

 

 

Guys like him isn't a dime a dozen. He is not the next mo but he has the potential to be a plus closer. Not many people can say they have mid-to-upper 90's FB with a plus change up. Could he be nothing more than an average reliever from here on out? Yeah. But he has a fast, live (career 57% GB rate in the minors) fastball and a second plus pitch

 

It is not the end of the world but, especially with our bullpen being in bad shape at the moment, it doesn't make much sense on the surface. As far as the whole trade thing, the reason most people freaked out at first was because it was originally reported that DLC was claimed off waivers, AKA we were getting nothing for him.

If you had ever heard of him in the Tigers organization then I give you major props. If not, then you've only known of his existence for the past 15 months, and have only seen him pitch for the past year.

 

What has he ever done to impress all you people??? This is a minor deal in the long run everybody, minor.

 

 

He's been a very serious RP prospect for awhile now....

 

as in, years

 

I'd rather have Jose Ceda, and its not even close.

 

That's debatable, and even if it isn't....and? What does Jose Ceda have to do with ANYTHING about DLC? Seriously? This wasn't a choice between Jose Ceda and DLC.

 

It was just my way of pointing out that even though Beinfest may have to cut loose some average talented relievers (De La Cruz, Nelson, Waechter, etc.), he will also bring in guys with at least the same talent level or even higher (Ceda, Calero, Proctor) to fill out the bullpen.

It was just my way of pointing out that even though Beinfest may have to cut loose some average talented relievers (De La Cruz, Nelson, Waechter, etc.), he will also bring in guys with at least the same talent level or even higher (Ceda) to fill out the bullpen.

Sure, cool.

 

But this doesn't work with Ceda in AA and needing more time in the minors when we need a RP right now. No one is worried about the longterm pen with Tucker, Ceda, Leroux, probably Vanden Hurk, and someone from Wood/Owens/Whoever rounding out the right handers, and probably one of Thompson/West turning into a RP at some point to compliment whatever pure LOOGY we have around. That's fine and great.

 

Problem is, right now. We're going to have at least 1 street FA in the pen, a waiver claim, Badenhop, and two relievers on the DL. Is now really the time to be getting rid of any arm? Especially one with immense upside and basically MLB ready?

Not that it matters but I started listening to minor league games with some frequency when the Marlins had a club in Calgary and so, yes I was aware of him probably two, three years ago. Probably caught 40 or so Mudcats games and at least as many 'Topes last season.

 

Since they're all archived you can listen to them any time of the day or night.

Apparently Run DLC didn't sign Jsprt's hat during ST

It was just my way of pointing out that even though Beinfest may have to cut loose some average talented relievers (De La Cruz, Nelson, Waechter, etc.), he will also bring in guys with at least the same talent level or even higher (Ceda) to fill out the bullpen.

Sure, cool.

 

But this doesn't work with Ceda in AA and needing more time in the minors when we need a RP right now. No one is worried about the longterm pen with Tucker, Ceda, Leroux, probably Vanden Hurk, and someone from Wood/Owens/Whoever rounding out the right handers, and probably one of Thompson/West turning into a RP at some point to compliment whatever pure LOOGY we have around. That's fine and great.

 

Problem is, right now. We're going to have at least 1 street FA in the pen, a waiver claim, Badenhop, and two relievers on the DL. Is now really the time to be getting rid of any arm? Especially one with immense upside and basically MLB ready?

 

Sounds like our bullpen for the past five years. This organization does not place much value of middle-of-the-pack relievers because of the abundance of them available.

Apparently Run DLC didn't sign Jsprt's hat during ST

 

I wouldn't even ask De la Cruz to sign. Im not in the business of ruining my belongings.

It was just my way of pointing out that even though Beinfest may have to cut loose some average talented relievers (De La Cruz, Nelson, Waechter, etc.), he will also bring in guys with at least the same talent level or even higher (Ceda) to fill out the bullpen.

Sure, cool.

 

But this doesn't work with Ceda in AA and needing more time in the minors when we need a RP right now. No one is worried about the longterm pen with Tucker, Ceda, Leroux, probably Vanden Hurk, and someone from Wood/Owens/Whoever rounding out the right handers, and probably one of Thompson/West turning into a RP at some point to compliment whatever pure LOOGY we have around. That's fine and great.

 

Problem is, right now. We're going to have at least 1 street FA in the pen, a waiver claim, Badenhop, and two relievers on the DL. Is now really the time to be getting rid of any arm? Especially one with immense upside and basically MLB ready?

 

Sounds like our bullpen for the past five years. This organization does not place much value of middle-of-the-pack relievers because of the abundance of them available.

And we had a good bullpen 1 of those 5 years?

 

I think you are severely underestimating Cruz's stuff. He'd be a top 10 prospect in well over half the systems in baseball. We just happen to be loaded out of our minds right now so he doesn't make it past the low teens in the Marlins rankings.

Apparently Run DLC didn't sign Jsprt's hat during ST

 

I wouldn't even ask De la Cruz to sign. Im not in the business of ruining my belongings.

 

And your adopt a prospect is Graham Taylor? Did you get the last pick... like, the one after Graham Taylor's family too?

 

Lou's right, you're really undervaluing DLC and wearing some heavy tinted "In Beinfest I trust" glasses... let the sun shine in, m'boy

It's no secret that we've continued to look for arms this spring, and today we added another in 25-year old right-hander Eulogio DeLaCruz in a trade with the Florida Marlins.

 

Eulogio has been both a starter and reliever in the minor leagues, though he worked primarily as a starter last season in AAA Albuquerque. Originally signed by Detroit out of Santo Domingo, the Tigers traded Eulogio to Florida in December '07 as part of the Miguel Cabrera/Dontrelle Willis deal.

 

Described by our scouts as a "little bull with a big arm" DeLaCruz has supposedly thrown 100 mph. Most of the time, however, he sits between 93-97 mph with his fastball, which he complements with both a CB and a CH. He has just 16 innings at the big league level (and they weren't very pretty), but we believe he's big league ready. And now for my standard ending... we're excited to have him.

 

In all seriousness, Eulogio adds some power to our pitching staff that should be helpful regardless of the role. He'll be joining our camp sometime before the end of the weekend.

 

San Diego's Asst. Paul Depodesta on his blog just now

 

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At least it's confirmed we're getting something back.

It was just my way of pointing out that even though Beinfest may have to cut loose some average talented relievers (De La Cruz, Nelson, Waechter, etc.), he will also bring in guys with at least the same talent level or even higher (Ceda) to fill out the bullpen.

Sure, cool.

 

But this doesn't work with Ceda in AA and needing more time in the minors when we need a RP right now. No one is worried about the longterm pen with Tucker, Ceda, Leroux, probably Vanden Hurk, and someone from Wood/Owens/Whoever rounding out the right handers, and probably one of Thompson/West turning into a RP at some point to compliment whatever pure LOOGY we have around. That's fine and great.

 

Problem is, right now. We're going to have at least 1 street FA in the pen, a waiver claim, Badenhop, and two relievers on the DL. Is now really the time to be getting rid of any arm? Especially one with immense upside and basically MLB ready?

 

Sounds like our bullpen for the past five years. This organization does not place much value of middle-of-the-pack relievers because of the abundance of them available.

And we had a good bullpen 1 of those 5 years?

 

I think you are severely underestimating Cruz's stuff. He'd be a top 10 prospect in well over half the systems in baseball. We just happen to be loaded out of our minds right now so he doesn't make it past the low teens in the Marlins rankings.

 

All I'm saying is that Beinfest & Co. do not get paid to simply release guys without thought. I have confidence that those guys evaluated De La Cruz's situation, and decided it was best for him to move on, and that his departure would not mean much to the success of this squad.

It was just my way of pointing out that even though Beinfest may have to cut loose some average talented relievers (De La Cruz, Nelson, Waechter, etc.), he will also bring in guys with at least the same talent level or even higher (Ceda) to fill out the bullpen.

Sure, cool.

 

But this doesn't work with Ceda in AA and needing more time in the minors when we need a RP right now. No one is worried about the longterm pen with Tucker, Ceda, Leroux, probably Vanden Hurk, and someone from Wood/Owens/Whoever rounding out the right handers, and probably one of Thompson/West turning into a RP at some point to compliment whatever pure LOOGY we have around. That's fine and great.

 

Problem is, right now. We're going to have at least 1 street FA in the pen, a waiver claim, Badenhop, and two relievers on the DL. Is now really the time to be getting rid of any arm? Especially one with immense upside and basically MLB ready?

 

Sounds like our bullpen for the past five years. This organization does not place much value of middle-of-the-pack relievers because of the abundance of them available.

And we had a good bullpen 1 of those 5 years?

 

I think you are severely underestimating Cruz's stuff. He'd be a top 10 prospect in well over half the systems in baseball. We just happen to be loaded out of our minds right now so he doesn't make it past the low teens in the Marlins rankings.

 

All I'm saying is that Beinfest & Co. do not get paid to simply release guys without thought. I have confidence that those guys evaluated De La Cruz's situation, and decided it was best for him to move on, and that his departure would not mean much to the success of this squad.

Just like Joe Nelson. :thumbup

 

At least we'll get getting something back with this one. I guess we can say they are improving.

Apparently Run DLC didn't sign Jsprt's hat during ST

 

I wouldn't even ask De la Cruz to sign. Im not in the business of ruining my belongings.

 

And your adopt a prospect is Graham Taylor? Did you get the last pick... like, the one after Graham Taylor's family too?

 

Lou's right, you're really undervaluing DLC and wearing some heavy tinted "In Beinfest I trust" glasses... let the sun shine in, m'boy

 

OMG!!! Graham Taylor? What does he have to do with anything? OMG OMG!!! We released a 5 foot 5 reliever. OMG!!

 

You guys crack me up.

Apparently Run DLC didn't sign Jsprt's hat during ST

 

I wouldn't even ask De la Cruz to sign. Im not in the business of ruining my belongings.

 

And your adopt a prospect is Graham Taylor? Did you get the last pick... like, the one after Graham Taylor's family too?

 

Lou's right, you're really undervaluing DLC and wearing some heavy tinted "In Beinfest I trust" glasses... let the sun shine in, m'boy

 

OMG!!! Graham Taylor? What does he have to do with anything? OMG OMG!!! We released a 5 foot 5 reliever. OMG!!

 

You guys crack me up.

 

I'm not saying the sky is falling... but I'm also not saying that a penny fell out of my pocket and it's not worth picking it back up. DLC has value, that's obvious... if he was as garbage as you'd have us believe, he would not be wanted by the Padres on their ML roster... we would not have asked for him in the Miggy/'Trelle deal...

 

Think plz and thx

Apparently Run DLC didn't sign Jsprt's hat during ST

 

I wouldn't even ask De la Cruz to sign. Im not in the business of ruining my belongings.

 

And your adopt a prospect is Graham Taylor? Did you get the last pick... like, the one after Graham Taylor's family too?

 

Lou's right, you're really undervaluing DLC and wearing some heavy tinted "In Beinfest I trust" glasses... let the sun shine in, m'boy

 

OMG!!! Graham Taylor? What does he have to do with anything? OMG OMG!!! We released a 5 foot 5 reliever. OMG!!

 

You guys crack me up.

 

I'm not saying the sky is falling... but I'm also not saying that a penny fell out of my pocket and it's not worth picking it back up. DLC has value, that's obvious... if he was as garbage as you'd have us believe, he would not be wanted by the Padres on their ML roster... we would not have asked for him in the Miggy/'Trelle deal...

 

Think plz and thx

 

Not once have I stated that De La Cruz is "garbage." An average-talented, undersized reliever, yes, but never "garbage."

And I'm not saying he doesn't have value. I'm just saying he is no more valuable than many other relieving options we have now and in the upcoming year or so.