Typically though, and I don't like to get too much into such things, but I'd bet that the guy with the higher OBP typically has a higher P/PA, a very subtle value that I'd prefer. So, if they're equal, I'd take the dood that sees more pitches.

 

You're completely missing his point.

 

And runs created isn't a "en vouge" thing.

Typically though, and I don't like to get too much into such things, but I'd bet that the guy with the higher OBP typically has a higher P/PA, a very subtle value that I'd prefer. So, if they're equal, I'd take the dood that sees more pitches.

Typically you like to get into that "one point of OBP is worth 2 or 3 or 4 or whatever points of SLG" thing and that's what this is about. It's about it because of how OBP touts misuse it.

 

I'm curious, about how many times have you bashed Mike Jacob's 2008 season because of his OBP?

Typically though, and I don't like to get too much into such things, but I'd bet that the guy with the higher OBP typically has a higher P/PA, a very subtle value that I'd prefer. So, if they're equal, I'd take the dood that sees more pitches.

 

You're completely missing his point.

 

And runs created isn't a "en vouge" thing.

 

 

I'm not missing his point, Mike Jacobs wasn't super terrible like everyone likes to think, surprise surprise he was an average player. OBP isn't the end-all-be-all of all statistics, that's fine and dandy, but when push comes to shove, the OBP guy is the underrated guy vs a Mike Jacobs and his uber-slugging, which was originally MY point.

 

And his Extrpolated Runs formula is "en vogue" inasmuch as it's the current popular statistical holy grail. Once a stat surpasses .964, THAT will become the next one. But for practicality's sake... .005 is not this earth-shattering difference.

 

Typically though, and I don't like to get too much into such things, but I'd bet that the guy with the higher OBP typically has a higher P/PA, a very subtle value that I'd prefer. So, if they're equal, I'd take the dood that sees more pitches.

Typically you like to get into that "one point of OBP is worth 2 or 3 or 4 or whatever points of SLG" thing and that's what this is about. It's about it because of how OBP touts misuse it.

 

I'm curious, about how many times have you bashed Mike Jacob's 2008 season because of his OBP?

 

I dunno if you want an exact figure but probably a lot, because when push comes to shove, I prefer the OBP guy over the SLG guy 7 days a week and twice on Sundays, there's typically greater intrinsic value in making fewer outs and seeing more pitches. And yes, I still do maintain that OBP needs to be equalized to SLG in OPS because OPS is using a 4.000 scale, whereas OBP uses a 1.000 scale. It's not rocket science, it's translation. You can't say that 1 foot is equal to one yard because there's one of each, you need a conversion scale... similarly, in OPS, you can't say one point of OBP is equal to 1 point of slugging because they're not the same scale.

I'm not missing his point, Mike Jacobs wasn't super terrible like everyone likes to think, surprise surprise he was an average player. OBP isn't the end-all-be-all of all statistics, that's fine and dandy, but when push comes to shove, the OBP guy is the underrated guy vs a Mike Jacobs and his uber-slugging, which was originally MY point.

 

And his Extrpolated Runs formula is "en vogue" inasmuch as it's the current popular statistical holy grail. Once a stat surpasses .964, THAT will become the next one. But for practicality's sake... .005 is not this earth-shattering difference.

 

Actually it's the exact opposite in the "sabr" community, which again was his point, which was where this entire thing breeds from.

 

And they all are basically runs created that give basically the same exact result. Different name, same result, doesn't matter what the name is, who cares.

I'm not missing his point, Mike Jacobs wasn't super terrible like everyone likes to think, surprise surprise he was an average player. OBP isn't the end-all-be-all of all statistics, that's fine and dandy, but when push comes to shove, the OBP guy is the underrated guy vs a Mike Jacobs and his uber-slugging, which was originally MY point.

 

And his Extrpolated Runs formula is "en vogue" inasmuch as it's the current popular statistical holy grail. Once a stat surpasses .964, THAT will become the next one. But for practicality's sake... .005 is not this earth-shattering difference.

 

Actually it's the exact opposite in the "sabr" community, which again was his point, which was where this entire thing breeds from.

 

And they all are basically runs created that give basically the same exact result. Different name, same result, doesn't matter what the name is, who cares.

 

His point was in reference to my saying it was underrated in regards to people like Broncobob and their like... I specifically mentioned that hours ago.

 

Walks are undervalued when someone like Broncobob (and there are many like him) that turn around and say "Whoopsie Doo, his OPS shoots up" without realizing that OBP is a strong byproduct of pitch recognition and a certain thought process by the better where he realizes he can't do much with a pitch so he tries again.

 

And, the SABR community is by no means a majority. So, even if 100% of the SABR community overrated OBP... that still would not translate to the majority of all baseball fans overrating it, which is the group I'm referring to when I say it's the most underrated stat.

 

We were talking about this just the another night when T-Hut was doing his rant regarding Jermida in the booth.

I agree Erick. I would love to see Hermida batting lead off. He has good enough speed, and he can get on base. That should make our offense much more dynamic.

 

 

no, he doesn't.

I agree Erick. I would love to see Hermida batting lead off. He has good enough speed, and he can get on base. That should make our offense much more dynamic.

 

 

no, he doesn't.

Yes, he does.

 

As long as you don't slow down the runners behind you, you're fast enough.

BTW, going back to the Mez argument, he couldn't have made the play that Hanley made last night.

Typically though, and I don't like to get too much into such things, but I'd bet that the guy with the higher OBP typically has a higher P/PA, a very subtle value that I'd prefer. So, if they're equal, I'd take the dood that sees more pitches.

 

You're completely missing his point.

 

And runs created isn't a "en vouge" thing.

 

 

I'm not missing his point, Mike Jacobs wasn't super terrible like everyone likes to think, surprise surprise he was an average player. OBP isn't the end-all-be-all of all statistics, that's fine and dandy, but when push comes to shove, the OBP guy is the underrated guy vs a Mike Jacobs and his uber-slugging, which was originally MY point.

You're confused. On this board the OBP guy is overrated and the SLG guy in underrated. The Mike Jacobs trashing is a good example. I thought you were one of the worst abusers of the importance of OBP with Jacobs but I wasn't sure. I don't think one should be an OBP guy or a SLG guy. I think one should be a runs created guy (not in the RS + RBI sense). To just go by some OBP x whatever plus SLG because everyone says so although there's better ways of analyzing things is not particularly smart. Reminds me of the old timers that live and die by BA, HRs and RBIs.

To just go by some OBP x whatever plus SLG because everyone says so although there's better ways of analyzing things is not particularly smart. Reminds me of the old timers that live and die by BA, HRs and RBIs.

I agree. It's why I barely use OPS, which is just OBP*1 + SLG.

 

Talk about flawed.

To just go by some OBP x whatever plus SLG because everyone says so although there's better ways of analyzing things is not particularly smart. Reminds me of the old timers that live and die by BA, HRs and RBIs.

I agree. It's why I barely use OPS, which is just OBP*1 + SLG.

 

Talk about flawed.

OBP * SLG works better.. without any multipliers for either.. try it sometime.

To just go by some OBP x whatever plus SLG because everyone says so although there's better ways of analyzing things is not particularly smart. Reminds me of the old timers that live and die by BA, HRs and RBIs.

I agree. It's why I barely use OPS, which is just OBP*1 + SLG.

 

Talk about flawed.

OBP * SLG works better.. without any multipliers for either.. try it sometime.

OBP and SLG separately with a brain multiplying works the best.

I agree Erick. I would love to see Hermida batting lead off. He has good enough speed, and he can get on base. That should make our offense much more dynamic.

 

 

no, he doesn't.

 

 

Yes, he does.

Typically though, and I don't like to get too much into such things, but I'd bet that the guy with the higher OBP typically has a higher P/PA, a very subtle value that I'd prefer. So, if they're equal, I'd take the dood that sees more pitches.

 

You're completely missing his point.

 

And runs created isn't a "en vouge" thing.

 

 

I'm not missing his point, Mike Jacobs wasn't super terrible like everyone likes to think, surprise surprise he was an average player. OBP isn't the end-all-be-all of all statistics, that's fine and dandy, but when push comes to shove, the OBP guy is the underrated guy vs a Mike Jacobs and his uber-slugging, which was originally MY point.

You're confused. On this board the OBP guy is overrated and the SLG guy in underrated. The Mike Jacobs trashing is a good example. I thought you were one of the worst abusers of the importance of OBP with Jacobs but I wasn't sure. I don't think one should be an OBP guy or a SLG guy. I think one should be a runs created guy (not in the RS + RBI sense). To just go by some OBP x whatever plus SLG because everyone says so although there's better ways of analyzing things is not particularly smart. Reminds me of the old timers that live and die by BA, HRs and RBIs.

 

 

Reread his last post again. He wasn't referring to its overrated/underrated status in the context of this board, he was talking about it in the context of the mainstream of baseball fans, as personified by Broncobob.