Posted August 6, 200915 yr What moves do you think this team should make in the offseason? What is your 2010 starting lineup? Im gonna trade cantu and a prospect and get a good veteran 3b/1b. Im also trading uggla and non tendering hermida. Im also acquiring a solid veteran middle of the rotation arm I want this lineup come opening day. Maybin- cf Coghlan-2b Hanley-ss Veteran 3b/1b Logan Morrison- Lf Ross-rf Gaby sanchez- either at first or 3rd. Baker-c
August 6, 200915 yr Maybin - CF Coghlan - LF Hanley - SS Cantu - 3B Morrison - 1B Cody - RF Baker - C Pitcher Bonifacio - 2B
August 6, 200915 yr fire fredi, the hitting coach, and the 3rd base coach. get a 3rd baseman if we can't retain nick johnson. trade hermida for anything and uggla for prospects. although the season isn't over and we're not out of it just yet. so there is a chance things change in the last 2 months of the season. CF - Maybin LF - Coghlan SS - Hanley 1B - Cantu 3B - Troy Glaus (maybe for cheap since he was injured) RF - Ross C - Baker 2B - Bonifacio (he's freakin fast) and if cantu remains on the team (which i hope) he has to play 1st. his defense is just flat-out bad at 3rd
August 6, 200915 yr I typed a large post, but unfortunately this site deleted it. The shorter version is: 1. You sign Josh Johnson for 4-5 years 2. You trade Uggla, Cantu, Hermida, Anibal, and Amezaga for as much young pitching you can acquire 3. You find another backup catcher, a guy who can spot at 1B/LF, and a SS/3B type. 4. Offer arbitration to Ross, Nolasco, Miller, Ross, Lindstrom, Nunez, and Pinto Pencil this in C - Baker 1B - Morrison 2B - Coghlan SS - Hanley 3B - G. Sanchez LF - Carroll CF - Maybin RF - Ross B - Bonifacio, Helms, Backup C, 1B/LF, SS/3B SP - Johnson, Nolasco, Volstad, Miller, West/Vanden Hurk RP - Lindstrom, Nunez, Meyer, Pinto, and let Sanches, Badenhop, Wood, Leroux, Tucker, Owens, Parcell, Trahern, Vanden Hurk if he doesn't win the 5, and any street FA, fight for the final 3 spots This is the $35 million payroll plan. The $40 million payroll plan is to keep Cantu at 3B, shift G. Sanchez to a 1B platoon with Morrison, and shift Morrison when Gaby is at 1B to LF to platoon with Carroll. i.e., Morrison always plays somewhere, and it's really a Sanchez/Carroll platoon at 1B/LF for the last starting spot on the team. I like the $40 million dollar team a lot, especially with Stanton, Dominguez, Cousins, and Petersen in AA/AAA, and a bunch of RP options all over the place. And that's not including gains in trades, Rule5, waiver, and other acquisitions.
August 6, 200915 yr no way lou, that team is wayyyyyyyyyyy to young. You typed the same exact team offensively. Literally. So if this comment is in reference to acquiring a SP, tell me where the cash is coming from. -- C John Baker $415,000 1B Logan Morrison $400,000 2B Chris Coghlan $405,000 3B Jorge Cantu $5,000,000 SS Hanley Ramirez $7,000,000 LF Brett Carroll $410,000 CF Cameron Maybin $405,000 RF Cody Ross $4,200,000 B Wes Helms $950,000 B Emilio Bonifacio $405,000 B Veteran 1B/OF $1,250,000 B Backup Catcher $750,000 B Veteran MI $750,000 SP Josh Johnson $5,000,000 SP Ricky Nolasco $4,250,000 SP Chris Volstad $415,000 SP Andrew Miller $2,000,000 SP Sean West $405,000 RP Matt Lindstrom $1,000,000 RP Leo Nunez $1,250,000 RP Rick Vanden Hurk $410,000 RP Brian Sanchez $410,000 RP Burke Badenhop $410,000 RP Dan Meyer $410,000 RP Reynel Pinto $900,000 $39,200,000
August 6, 200915 yr C-Baker 1B-Morrison/Johnson 2B-Cantu 3B-Coghlan SS-Hanley LF-Hermida/veteran CF-Maybin RF-Cody SP-Johnson SP-Nolasco SP-West/Vanden Hurk SP-Volstad SP-Miller/Vanden Hurk RP-Vanden Hurk, Nunez, Pinto, Jay Voss(been flat out dominant at Jacksonville this year), whatever
August 6, 200915 yr Author Uh, no it isnt, your team has no veteran middle of the rotation arm and no veteran presence in the lineup. You alsoforget about the diamonds in the rough the fo finds in the bullpen
August 6, 200915 yr Uh, no it isnt, your team has no veteran middle of the rotation arm and no veteran presence in the lineup. You alsoforget about the diamonds in the rough the fo finds in the bullpen ugh. I'm tired of hearing "veteran hitter" or whatever. Talent is talent. You can be a rookie or a 10+ year veteran and the only way you will play is if you have the talent to play. Plus, next season will be Hanley's 5th full season. Cantu has played in 612 games to date which averages to almost 4 full seasons which means next season could be his 5th full season aswell. we dont NEED a veteran hitter. we need talent.
August 6, 200915 yr Author Uh, no it isnt, your team has no veteran middle of the rotation arm and no veteran presence in the lineup. You alsoforget about the diamonds in the rough the fo finds in the bullpen ugh. I'm tired of hearing "veteran hitter" or whatever. Talent is talent. You can be a rookie or a 10+ year veteran and the only way you will play is if you have the talent to play. Plus, next season will be Hanley's 5th full season. Cantu has played in 612 games to date which averages to almost 4 full seasons which means next season could be his 5th full season aswell. we dont NEED a veteran hitter. we need talent. no its not. we have plenty of talent in he minors. we need a veteran guy who has been there and done that. how many teams do you see with serious championship possibilities with a starting lineup of nobody over 27? every team needs a veteran presence in the lineup who has proved himself in the majors
August 6, 200915 yr Uh, no it isnt, your team has no veteran middle of the rotation arm and no veteran presence in the lineup. You alsoforget about the diamonds in the rough the fo finds in the bullpen ugh. I'm tired of hearing "veteran hitter" or whatever. Talent is talent. You can be a rookie or a 10+ year veteran and the only way you will play is if you have the talent to play. Plus, next season will be Hanley's 5th full season. Cantu has played in 612 games to date which averages to almost 4 full seasons which means next season could be his 5th full season aswell. we dont NEED a veteran hitter. we need talent. no its not. we have plenty of talent in he minors. we need a veteran guy who has been there and done that. how many teams do you see with serious championship possibilities with a starting lineup of nobody over 27? every team needs a veteran presence in the lineup who has proved himself in the majors Last year's Rays didn't have anyone over 29, unless you count Cliff Floyd who only had 284 PA.
August 6, 200915 yr We need a veteran SP, some reliable bull pen arms. I'd like to see Cameron Maybin get another chance, which im 95% sure he will. Gaby too.
August 6, 200915 yr Author Uh, no it isnt, your team has no veteran middle of the rotation arm and no veteran presence in the lineup. You alsoforget about the diamonds in the rough the fo finds in the bullpen ugh. I'm tired of hearing "veteran hitter" or whatever. Talent is talent. You can be a rookie or a 10+ year veteran and the only way you will play is if you have the talent to play. Plus, next season will be Hanley's 5th full season. Cantu has played in 612 games to date which averages to almost 4 full seasons which means next season could be his 5th full season aswell. we dont NEED a veteran hitter. we need talent. no its not. we have plenty of talent in he minors. we need a veteran guy who has been there and done that. how many teams do you see with serious championship possibilities with a starting lineup of nobody over 27? every team needs a veteran presence in the lineup who has proved himself in the majors Last year's Rays didn't have anyone over 29, unless you count Cliff Floyd who only had 284 PA. the rays also have a team completely different then the marlins. they play small ball, have a deep rotation and an extremely good bullpen. they dont have a team full of all or nothing players. this marlins team needs a veteran presence in the lineup. so let me retract my statemtn, the marlins, if they are going to keep this core, needs a veteran presence in their lineup
August 6, 200915 yr What does a veteran presence do to an all-or-nothing line up that it doesn't to a small-ball line up?
August 6, 200915 yr Author What does a veteran presence do to an all-or-nothing line up that it doesn't to a small-ball line up? we need a guy who can get the runner over with a man on 2nd and do the little things that help us manufacture runs. the rays dont really need that
August 6, 200915 yr So why does it have to be a veteran? If we have Russell Branyan, who would be a veteran presence, how does that do what you want?
August 6, 200915 yr Author So why does it have to be a veteran? If we have Russell Branyan, who would be a veteran presence, how does that do what you want? im not saying just any veteran. im saying a veteran contact hitter.
August 6, 200915 yr C - Baker 1B - Cantu/Gaby 2B - Coghlan SS - Hanley 3B - Cantu/Gaby LF - Morrison CF - Maybin RF - Cody SP - Johnson, Nolasco, Volstad, Miller, West I will be glad to see the back of Hermida. Sorry to see Uggla go, but his hitting simply isnt consistent enough.
August 6, 200915 yr I think people expecting Gaby Sanchez to have a starting spot next year are setting themselves up for disappointment. To me anyway, the FO and coaching staff showed pretty clearly what they thought about him in his recent callup.
August 6, 200915 yr I think people expecting Gaby Sanchez to have a starting spot next year are setting themselves up for disappointment. To me anyway, the FO and coaching staff showed pretty clearly what they thought about him in his recent callup. Do you think the potential (at that point) acquisition of Nick Johnson played into their treatment of Gaby when he was up with the Marlins? Something along the lines of with their knowledge of the probability of getting NJ, and Cantu & Bonifacio being regulars in the team all season, why give extended AB's to a rookie with basically no major league experience. At the time I was rooting for Gaby to get more chances, but maybe there is more to the story than simply they just don't think highly of him.
August 6, 200915 yr Maybe there is, but I doubt it. He was given a shot to prove himself in ST and was just mindnumbingly awful. He had a very poor June and July. I think the FO has lost quite a bit of confidence in him.
August 6, 200915 yr I don't want Gaby starting next year. Logan Morrison's #'s this year show that he's pretty much ready for the big leagues. His #'s are insane. I know we can put him in LF and maybe play Gaby at 1B, but I'd actually like to see what the big deal is with Bonifacio at 2B, defensively. Supposedly, he's very good, there. If not, I'd rather go with what Lou posted over starting Gaby. I wouldn't mind giving Brett Carroll a shot. We already know he's pretty amazing, defensively.
August 6, 200915 yr I think people expecting Gaby Sanchez to have a starting spot next year are setting themselves up for disappointment. To me anyway, the FO and coaching staff showed pretty clearly what they thought about him in his recent callup. I wasn't ever excited about the prospect of Gaby starting the year at first base. A first basemen without power is really useless unless he an hit .300 with a very high OBP, which Gaby wouldn't be able to do regularly.
August 6, 200915 yr So why does it have to be a veteran? If we have Russell Branyan, who would be a veteran presence, how does that do what you want? im not saying just any veteran. im saying a veteran contact hitter. So, you don't want a "veteran presence" as you've been saying, but a "contact hitter" (Which, age does not matter)
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