How is it not a good argument because you do not like the Stadium?

 

 

 

because your making it seem like yankee stadium sets the bar or something , or its okay because they do it at yankee stadium .

The argument is, Ads = more revenue. More revenue = better for the team. Advertising helps this team.

 

The Yankee Stadium argument is used because It had advertisment back in the day. And It was one of the greatest ballparks of all time.

How is it not a good argument because you do not like the Stadium?

 

It's not. His argument really makes no sense at this point. This is like saying gasoline is cheapening the prestige of cars because he doesn't like emissions.

How is it not a good argument because you do not like the Stadium?

 

 

 

because your making it seem like yankee stadium sets the bar or something , or its okay because they do it at yankee stadium .

No, it's ok because they did it in Yankee Stadium at least 80 years ago.

How is it not a good argument because you do not like the Stadium?

 

 

 

because your making it seem like yankee stadium sets the bar or something , or its okay because they do it at yankee stadium .

 

Most people loved the way Yankee Stadium looked (especially in it's original configuration), and whether you like the Yankees or not, there's no denying that that's the most famous stadium in baseball/american history, so it did set the bar.

 

 

Also, It's kinda cool to look at old stadium photos and see the ads of what people bought at the time. The first picture I posted has an airline ad that reads "Florida to Cuba", so It's obviously from the Pre-Castro era.

hah !! i bet theres a few people in boston and chicago that will disagree with you on that , maybe a few in LA and stlouis etc.

 

 

 

 

ok you people dont seem to understand.

 

the only thing i said AND READ CLOSELY NOW

 

IS = THERE SHOULDNT BE ANY ADVERTISING ANYWHERE WHERE THE BALL IS IN PLAY

 

LET ME SAY IT ONE MORE TIME

 

 

THERE SHOULDNT BE ANY ADVERTISING ANYWHERE WHERE THE BALL IS IN PLAY

 

AND THE OUTFIELD WALL IS STILL IN PLAY. THAT WAS MY POINT.

 

 

I never said there shouldnt be any advertising i never said advertising wasnt around back then .

 

and you people bust out with yankee stadium and teams need money blah blah blah

 

theres a million places around the park to have advertising just keep it away from the field

 

WHICH IS WHY ..... I POSTED THE COLORADO ROCKIES OUTFIELD BECAUSE THEY DO THIS . AND YES THEY HAVE PLENTY OF ADVERTISING JUST NOT ANYWHERE WHERE THE BALL IS IN PLAY

 

 

 

I HATE SEEING A PLAYER MAKE A GREAT CATCH WHILE SLAMMING INTO A GIECKO SIGN OR COFFEE SIGN ETC

 

 

THAT WAS AND IS MY POINT

No, your point was that it was cheapening the game, which makes absolutely no sense since it's been around forever.

I don't get you. The advertising signs do not get into the way of the players. So, why does it bother you so much?

hah !! i bet theres a few people in boston and chicago that will disagree with you on that , maybe a few in LA and stlouis etc.

 

 

 

 

ok you people dont seem to understand.

 

the only thing i said AND READ CLOSELY NOW

 

IS = THERE SHOULDNT BE ANY ADVERTISING ANYWHERE WHERE THE BALL IS IN PLAY

 

LET ME SAY IT ONE MORE TIME

 

 

THERE SHOULDNT BE ANY ADVERTISING ANYWHERE WHERE THE BALL IS IN PLAY

 

AND THE OUTFIELD WALL IS STILL IN PLAY. THAT WAS MY POINT.

 

 

I never said there shouldnt be any advertising i never said advertising wasnt around back then .

 

and you people bust out with yankee stadium and teams need money blah blah blah

 

theres a million places around the park to have advertising just keep it away from the field

 

WHICH IS WHY ..... I POSTED THE COLORADO ROCKIES OUTFIELD BECAUSE THEY DO THIS . AND YES THEY HAVE PLENTY OF ADVERTISING JUST NOT ANYWHERE WHERE THE BALL IS IN PLAY

 

 

 

I HATE SEEING A PLAYER MAKE A GREAT CATCH WHILE SLAMMING INTO A GIECKO SIGN OR COFFEE SIGN ETC

 

 

THAT WAS AND IS MY POINT

 

 

 

I agree with your post. As a baseball fan, nothing would bother me more than seeing a nike symbol on the bases or Coca-cola signs on the players uniforms. I would hate to see a Home Depot or Burger King advertisement on the grass in center field. I think we all agree advertising is necessarry, but it should be tactful and out of the field of play. Although I like car racing as a sport(much advertising on the uniforms and cars), I don't believe in advertising on the uniforms or field of play in baseball should be done.

wow terrible back-and-forth going on here. im gunna have to side with rab though. it seems like lex is being picky. not only that, he completely changed his point.

oh and everytime i think about a baseball stadium (mostly a classic stadium) the fact that they advertise on outfield walls always pops into my head. in cuba, american companies like hersheys advertised on the walls of the ballparks there. in fact, im actually on the lookout for wall ads when i go to a stadium. i think its actually part of the class of the game. to businesses, it defines baseball as a way of reaching out to ppl, and to baseball, it's a way of recognizing their impact.

Lack of advertising revenue is and has been since 2002 one of core issues this ownership group has faced since it took over. Advertising is directly tied to seat, box and skybox sales as well and if you want to see a payroll double or more what you're seeing now this is one the main drivers of that eventuality.

 

You can't have it both ways.

Do you actually think that the Marlins, the team with the most shameless promotions (and actually unleashed something called the Marlins Manatees), will show restraint in ad placement throughout the stadium?

 

I have no problems with advertising on outfield walls. Even Fenway has the CVS and WB Mason ads on the Green Monster. However, the Red Sox maintain a sense of prestige by refusing to partake in these flashy promotional gimicks. They certainly don't have dancing fat men.

 

I know it's nice to feel so about it all but the fact is that the fans LIKE the Manatees. They enjoy the Super Saturdays. I really don't get the issue.

WHICH IS WHY ..... I POSTED THE COLORADO ROCKIES OUTFIELD BECAUSE THEY DO THIS . AND YES THEY HAVE PLENTY OF ADVERTISING JUST NOT ANYWHERE WHERE THE BALL IS IN PLAY

 

 

 

 

 

I was at a Rockies game this weekend. They now have a few ads on the outfield wall itself. (Not saying this supports either side of the argument; just interesting since the Rockies example was where this all started.)

Do you actually think that the Marlins, the team with the most shameless promotions (and actually unleashed something called the Marlins Manatees), will show restraint in ad placement throughout the stadium?

 

I have no problems with advertising on outfield walls. Even Fenway has the CVS and WB Mason ads on the Green Monster. However, the Red Sox maintain a sense of prestige by refusing to partake in these flashy promotional gimicks. They certainly don't have dancing fat men.

 

I know it's nice to feel so about it all but the fact is that the fans LIKE the Manatees. They enjoy the Super Saturdays. I really don't get the issue.

Who said there was an issue?

 

If the fans (with a special emphasis on the season ticket holders) really want these things, then I see no issue. However, based on the outcry here when the Manatees were unveiled, I'm skeptical that most of the devoted fans appreciate them (but that's not important). The point is that if prestige were to be a major concern (and the fact that people are concerned about stadium seat color and the appearance of the outfield walls is obsessive to the point where I would no longer classify the phenomenon as mere excitement or anticipation), it is a bit unreasonable to expect anything else from one of the more shameless marketing divisions in MLB.

Do you actually think that the Marlins, the team with the most shameless promotions (and actually unleashed something called the Marlins Manatees), will show restraint in ad placement throughout the stadium?

 

I have no problems with advertising on outfield walls. Even Fenway has the CVS and WB Mason ads on the Green Monster. However, the Red Sox maintain a sense of prestige by refusing to partake in these flashy promotional gimicks. They certainly don't have dancing fat men.

 

I know it's nice to feel so about it all but the fact is that the fans LIKE the Manatees. They enjoy the Super Saturdays. I really don't get the issue.

Who said there was an issue?

 

If the fans (with a special emphasis on the season ticket holders) really want these things, then I see no issue. However, based on the outcry here when the Manatees were unveiled, I'm skeptical that most of the devoted fans appreciate them (but that's not important). The point is that if prestige were to be a major concern (and the fact that people are concerned about stadium seat color and the appearance of the outfield walls is obsessive to the point where I would no longer classify the phenomenon as mere excitement or anticipation), it is a bit unreasonable to expect anything else from one of the more shameless marketing divisions in MLB.

I guess I took you calling it shameless as a negative, saying there was an issue. And yeah, there was a lot of bitching when the Manatees were announced, but that's mostly because of the jokes that were being made from the outside. I know you don't live down here (or I think) so you don't go to the games, but the Manatees get some of the biggest ovations every time they come out.

Do you actually think that the Marlins, the team with the most shameless promotions (and actually unleashed something called the Marlins Manatees), will show restraint in ad placement throughout the stadium?

 

I have no problems with advertising on outfield walls. Even Fenway has the CVS and WB Mason ads on the Green Monster. However, the Red Sox maintain a sense of prestige by refusing to partake in these flashy promotional gimicks. They certainly don't have dancing fat men.

 

I know it's nice to feel so about it all but the fact is that the fans LIKE the Manatees. They enjoy the Super Saturdays. I really don't get the issue.

Who said there was an issue?

 

If the fans (with a special emphasis on the season ticket holders) really want these things, then I see no issue. However, based on the outcry here when the Manatees were unveiled, I'm skeptical that most of the devoted fans appreciate them (but that's not important). The point is that if prestige were to be a major concern (and the fact that people are concerned about stadium seat color and the appearance of the outfield walls is obsessive to the point where I would no longer classify the phenomenon as mere excitement or anticipation), it is a bit unreasonable to expect anything else from one of the more shameless marketing divisions in MLB.

I guess I took you calling it shameless as a negative, saying there was an issue. And yeah, there was a lot of bitching when the Manatees were announced, but that's mostly because of the jokes that were being made from the outside. I know you don't live down here (or I think) so you don't go to the games, but the Manatees get some of the biggest ovations every time they come out.

 

noyce (Australian for nice)

Do you actually think that the Marlins, the team with the most shameless promotions (and actually unleashed something called the Marlins Manatees), will show restraint in ad placement throughout the stadium?

 

I have no problems with advertising on outfield walls. Even Fenway has the CVS and WB Mason ads on the Green Monster. However, the Red Sox maintain a sense of prestige by refusing to partake in these flashy promotional gimicks. They certainly don't have dancing fat men.

 

I know it's nice to feel so about it all but the fact is that the fans LIKE the Manatees. They enjoy the Super Saturdays. I really don't get the issue.

Who said there was an issue?

 

If the fans (with a special emphasis on the season ticket holders) really want these things, then I see no issue. However, based on the outcry here when the Manatees were unveiled, I'm skeptical that most of the devoted fans appreciate them (but that's not important). The point is that if prestige were to be a major concern (and the fact that people are concerned about stadium seat color and the appearance of the outfield walls is obsessive to the point where I would no longer classify the phenomenon as mere excitement or anticipation), it is a bit unreasonable to expect anything else from one of the more shameless marketing divisions in MLB.

I guess I took you calling it shameless as a negative, saying there was an issue. And yeah, there was a lot of bitching when the Manatees were announced, but that's mostly because of the jokes that were being made from the outside. I know you don't live down here (or I think) so you don't go to the games, but the Manatees get some of the biggest ovations every time they come out.

There is a difference between my own personal reservations and potential mass appeal might be found in a promotion.

 

Personally, I find some of these marketing actions to be contributing to the negative stigmas that have been pegged on this franchise since 1998. However, I can understand that the Marlins are desperate to draw fans and if they have conclusive evidence that these promotions have brought in revenue, I can swallow it.