I forget where I read it recently but 41-year old Gary Sheffield wants to finish his career with the Marlins. He played in 100 games for the Mets last season and he was 74 for 268 (.276 avg, .823 OPS) with 44 runs scored, 10 homers and 43 RBIs. If the price is right do you think the Marlins should bring him back?

PLEASE NO. The guy is a racist and the epitome of clubhouse poison

He's delirous from all the anabolics. Just let him keep mumbling stuff. He's NOT gonna be a Marlin...... well hopefully not.

I just don't see it happening in any way. I mean I love Shef's bat but he just doesn't mix with this team. He is not a clubhouse leader...We have 2 bonifide pinchhitters already

I just don't see it happening in any way. I mean I love Shef's bat but he just doesn't mix with this team. He is not a clubhouse leader...We have 2 bonifide pinchhitters already

 

We have 1, we don't know if Gload is going to be back (I don't think so). Though we will be looking for a LHB, not a RHB.

I would love to have Sheffield, as that would make it a LOT easier to transition Coghlan to 2nd base, and make it more likely Bonifacio continues to be a utility player.

Unless he gets back on The Juice and takes a pay cut ... no thanks.

PLEASE NO. The guy is a racist and the epitome of clubhouse poison

 

 

I never got the "he's a racist" thing.

 

Has he ever said anything negative about a person of another color, because of their skin color?

 

Has he ever said anything that implied he was superior because of his skin color?

 

Most people point to him calling Jeter "not all the way black" but that is taken completely out of context. He was not being offensive towards Jeter being a mulatto. He believed that blacks were treated differently than whites by Torre, and said that Jeter didn't fall under that category because he is a mulatto (and, if I didn't know he was a mulatto and I assume this goes for most people, I wouldn't think he had black in him).

 

Of coarse people will then say "he saying that blacks are treated differently, that's racism!" But that is not racism. Racism is when one thinks they are superior because of their skin color. What he's portraying is not superiority but a faux since of prejudice felt upon him. However he has misplaced the discrimination onto his skin color rather than realizing it was because of his poor play and inability to stay on the field. That is not racism, that is ignorance most likely accrued because of the way America was when he grew up (and still partly is today). That, or Torre is a racist.

 

There's also the comment about Latin's being easier to control. Again, not racism. He was not saying "Latin's are a inferior race" or anything like that. It has to do with the living conditions that most Latin American's live under. I doubt I need to go into detail of all the problems in the D-R. Which again, has nothing to do with race.

 

Let's put it this way: if it were whites in the D-R instead of Latins, he believes the problem would still be there, because there is such a wanting to get off the island and to a few that only choice is by playing baseball.

 

You can say that his assumptions/beliefs/whatever you want to call them are wrong. That it's all faux prejudice that goes on in his head. But they're not racist. Being based off skin color does not make something racist. Racism is a sense of superiority over another race.

PLEASE NO. The guy is a racist and the epitome of clubhouse poison

 

 

I never got the "he's a racist" thing.

 

Has he ever said anything negative about a person of another color, because of their skin color?

 

Has he ever said anything that implied he was superior because of his skin color?

 

Most people point to him calling Jeter "not all the way black" but that is taken completely out of context. He was not being offensive towards Jeter being a mulatto. He believed that blacks were treated differently than whites in NY, and said that Jeter didn't fall under that category because he is a mulatto (and, if I didn't know he was a mulatto and I assume this goes for most people, I wouldn't think he had black in him).

 

Of coarse people will then say "he saying that blacks are treated differently, that's racism!" But that is not racism. Racism is when one thinks they are superior because of their skin color. What he's portraying is not superiority but a faux since of prejudice felt upon him. However he has misplaced the discrimination onto his skin color rather than realizing it was because of his poor play and inability to stay on the field. That is not racism, that is ignorance most likely accrued because of the way America was when he grew up (and still partly is today).

Didn't he say the reason there are less blacks and more hispanics in baseball was because hispanics are easier to control?

PLEASE NO. The guy is a racist and the epitome of clubhouse poison

 

 

I never got the "he's a racist" thing.

 

Has he ever said anything negative about a person of another color, because of their skin color?

 

Has he ever said anything that implied he was superior because of his skin color?

 

Most people point to him calling Jeter "not all the way black" but that is taken completely out of context. He was not being offensive towards Jeter being a mulatto. He believed that blacks were treated differently than whites in NY, and said that Jeter didn't fall under that category because he is a mulatto (and, if I didn't know he was a mulatto and I assume this goes for most people, I wouldn't think he had black in him).

 

Of coarse people will then say "he saying that blacks are treated differently, that's racism!" But that is not racism. Racism is when one thinks they are superior because of their skin color. What he's portraying is not superiority but a faux since of prejudice felt upon him. However he has misplaced the discrimination onto his skin color rather than realizing it was because of his poor play and inability to stay on the field. That is not racism, that is ignorance most likely accrued because of the way America was when he grew up (and still partly is today).

Didn't he say the reason there are less blacks and more hispanics in baseball was because hispanics are easier to control?

 

I actually just edited my post to add that in lol:

 

There's also the comment about Latin's being easier to control. Again, not racism. He was not saying "Latin's are a inferior race" or anything like that. It has to do with the living conditions that most Latin American's live under. I doubt I need to go into detail of all the problems in the D-R. Which again, has nothing to do with race.

 

Let's put it this way: if it were whites in the D-R instead of Latins, he believes the problem would still be there, because there is such a wanting to get off the island and to a few that only choice is by playing baseball.

 

You can say that his assumptions/beliefs/whatever you want to call them are wrong. That it's all faux prejudice that goes on in his head. But they're not racist. Being based off skin color does not make something racist. Racism is a sense of superiority over another race.

Saying hispanics are easier to control isn't a knock on a race---I'm cuban and I see what he's saying.

 

You come here from another country to earn a living, you come here---shut your mouth, and earn a living. Joe Torre tells Orlando Hernandez to follow A-Rod Around and pick up his poo like a dog, I bet $100 he does.

 

It's just the fact of the matter. Hispanics realize a job is a job and go about and do it. They swallow their pride if they don't like it, and do it anyway.

 

Imagine doing that with many African Americans in this country---they would tell you where to put the pooper scooper.

 

Sheff's right, and he's not being racist.

 

Neither is rush limbaugh for arguments sake---the media wants a mcnabb to succeed because it'll show how far the NFL has come since the 1980's and Doug Williams. QB for a long time has been a predominatly white position. Only Williams in 1984 out of 28 teams. These days, I think the number is 8 out of 32.

 

I would welcome sheff back, as a LF/1B option.

PLEASE NO. The guy is a racist and the epitome of clubhouse poison

 

 

I never got the "he's a racist" thing.

 

Has he ever said anything negative about a person of another color, because of their skin color?

 

Has he ever said anything that implied he was superior because of his skin color?

 

Most people point to him calling Jeter "not all the way black" but that is taken completely out of context. He was not being offensive towards Jeter being a mulatto. He believed that blacks were treated differently than whites by Torre, and said that Jeter didn't fall under that category because he is a mulatto (and, if I didn't know he was a mulatto and I assume this goes for most people, I wouldn't think he had black in him).

 

Of coarse people will then say "he saying that blacks are treated differently, that's racism!" But that is not racism. Racism is when one thinks they are superior because of their skin color. What he's portraying is not superiority but a faux since of prejudice felt upon him. However he has misplaced the discrimination onto his skin color rather than realizing it was because of his poor play and inability to stay on the field. That is not racism, that is ignorance most likely accrued because of the way America was when he grew up (and still partly is today). That, or Torre is a racist.

 

There's also the comment about Latin's being easier to control. Again, not racism. He was not saying "Latin's are a inferior race" or anything like that. It has to do with the living conditions that most Latin American's live under. I doubt I need to go into detail of all the problems in the D-R. Which again, has nothing to do with race.

 

Let's put it this way: if it were whites in the D-R instead of Latins, he believes the problem would still be there, because there is such a wanting to get off the island and to a few that only choice is by playing baseball.

 

You can say that his assumptions/beliefs/whatever you want to call them are wrong. That it's all faux prejudice that goes on in his head. But they're not racist. Being based off skin color does not make something racist. Racism is a sense of superiority over another race.

 

You don't have to declare yourself superior or openly say disruptive things about another race (although I'm sure if I dug around enough I am quite positive I could come up with some of his comments that do just that) to be a racist. He's not stupid. He knows who signs his paychecks and who he has to work with. But the things he has said fully describes him as a racisit. There are far too many to list here. But one good example would be all the negative things he said against whites and the "real" reason Sosa was suspended when he was caught corking his bat. Basing things off skin color DOES make one a racisit, especially when those "facts" he spews aren't even close to being true.

 

You can sugar coat his actions all you want. Your defintion makes Dusty Baker a racist. He once said blacks do much better in baseball because they are better handeling the hot, humid days of summer than whites are. Bottom line...Sheff is a loudmouth racist that dosen't belong in our club house. Big time NO to him coming here.

PLEASE NO. The guy is a racist and the epitome of clubhouse poison

 

 

I never got the "he's a racist" thing.

 

Has he ever said anything negative about a person of another color, because of their skin color?

 

Has he ever said anything that implied he was superior because of his skin color?

 

Most people point to him calling Jeter "not all the way black" but that is taken completely out of context. He was not being offensive towards Jeter being a mulatto. He believed that blacks were treated differently than whites by Torre, and said that Jeter didn't fall under that category because he is a mulatto (and, if I didn't know he was a mulatto and I assume this goes for most people, I wouldn't think he had black in him).

 

Of coarse people will then say "he saying that blacks are treated differently, that's racism!" But that is not racism. Racism is when one thinks they are superior because of their skin color. What he's portraying is not superiority but a faux since of prejudice felt upon him. However he has misplaced the discrimination onto his skin color rather than realizing it was because of his poor play and inability to stay on the field. That is not racism, that is ignorance most likely accrued because of the way America was when he grew up (and still partly is today). That, or Torre is a racist.

 

There's also the comment about Latin's being easier to control. Again, not racism. He was not saying "Latin's are a inferior race" or anything like that. It has to do with the living conditions that most Latin American's live under. I doubt I need to go into detail of all the problems in the D-R. Which again, has nothing to do with race.

 

Let's put it this way: if it were whites in the D-R instead of Latins, he believes the problem would still be there, because there is such a wanting to get off the island and to a few that only choice is by playing baseball.

 

You can say that his assumptions/beliefs/whatever you want to call them are wrong. That it's all faux prejudice that goes on in his head. But they're not racist. Being based off skin color does not make something racist. Racism is a sense of superiority over another race.

 

 

I really don't want to turn this thread into a discussion of race in America, but think of it this way, if Joe Torre had said Latin players are easier to control, that's why I like them, he'd be labeled a racist and banned from baseball. Sheffield is a useless idiot and a RACIST. To get back on topic, Sheffield would be a disaster on this team, he has always been a selfish player that cared only about his next payday

Don't need a RHB plus he probably wouldn't take a $17 mil pay cut (he got $18 mil last year) even if it meant playing here. The guy's all about his money.

You're right. Who needs a right handed bat when you aleady have the great Wes Helms and Brett Carroll from that side of the plate.

Why is it necessary to look at a player one dimensionally? The question isn't about his mouth (euphemistically speaking) or his bat or glove, it's about weighing the relative value of the player as a contributing member of a team.

 

Who would argue Wes Helms or Brett Carroll didn't contribute last season, the question if it's in the context of a secondary right hand bat who would contribute the most in 2010 as a whole if there was only one slot to fill? I didn't see enough of Sheffield last season to really decide so I'll leave it others but it needs to be in the context of team contribution first and the player as he is today - not five or ten years ago - second. As for his "mouth" we'll all *say* a lot of things we'd prefer to have never said and I would guess Sheffield is no different.

You're right. Who needs a right handed bat when you aleady have the great Wes Helms and Brett Carroll from that side of the plate.

 

He's right though. Wes Helms is a damn fine PHer, Sheff has only had a single season with more than 6 PH apperances, that being last season when he was 1-24. 2008's Luis Gonzalez should have shown us that an old guy who was a great everyday player is not necessarily a great bench player. And you sure as hell aren't going to replace Brett Carroll, arguably the best defensive OF replacement in the game with Sheff.

Brett Carroll might be a great defensive player but he hits like a pitcher. He is a 5th outfielder at best and that is really stretching things. I'm not saying that I am in favor of signing Sheffield but the Marlins do need a backup outfielder that can hit a little bit. Maybe they will sign a guy like Xavier Nady as I think that would be a good low risk/high reward signing for a team with a small payroll like the Marlins. They need some veterans on the bench as I have never been in favor of using kids with little experience as pinch hitters.