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A lot of people blame Fredi, a lot of people say he sucks as a manager, a lot of people say he's going to the braves next year. I'm sure this has been discussed multiple times on this forum, but i skip them and don't read them. Now lets DISCUSS Fredi with thought out responses not bashing him.

 

See a lot of times I question his moves wonder why he does this or that. Last night I was shocked when he let Tank pitch to Fransico and was cursing him out.... why not IBB and pitch to Ibanez. It turns out the Fredi had good reasoning they had Jayson Werth on the bench, now we have two pitchers left in the pen, but then why not bring in Nunez and get a 4 out save....

 

So what are your thoughts.

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he should of brought in nunez. He also should of brought in RVH in the 6th so RVH could potentially pitch 2 innings. Instead he put in jorge sosa who of course gives up a run and puts RVH in a spot where he could only pitch one inning as his batting spot came up next inning.

 

Fredi is a horrible bullpen manager. I think he's good in other aspects of managing, but he is absolutely abhorrent with the bullpen.

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Fredi's thinking last night.

 

On Tuesday, with two outs in the eighth, runners at second and third, and the Marlins clinging to an 8-7 lead over the Phillies, Gonzalez allowed Taylor Tankersley to pitch to Ben Francisco with a left-handed batter, Raul Ibanez, on deck. Tankersley had retired all seven left-handed batters he had faced to that point but was struggling against right-handers. Francisco singled, scoring the tying and go-ahead runs in a game the Phillies ended up winning, 10-8. Asked about it afterward, Gonzalez said: "It's a situation as a manager where you've got Ibanez on deck, but you also have (Jayson) Werth sitting in the dugout."

 

In other words, Gonzalez was concerned that the Phillies - had Francisco been walked -- sent up the right-handed hitting Werth to pinch-hit for Ibanez in that situation. Keep in mind that Gonzalez had only two relievers, both right-handers, left in the bullpenl: closer Leo Nunez, whom he was saving for the ninth inning, and Jay Buente, who was likely being kept in reserve if the game went into extra innings. Nunez has been asked to get more than three outs just once before this season -- his first outing on April 7 against the Mets -- and that didn't turn out so well. Nunez entered with the bases loaded in the eighth of a 2-run ballgame. He walked in one run and balked in another. He also walked two more batters in the ninth of a game the Marlins ended up winning in the 10th.

 

 

Read more: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/fish_bytes/2010/06/marlins-tv-ratings-up-for-mike-stanton-debut-.html#ixzz0qNyV3WEm

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he should of brought in nunez. He also should of brought in RVH in the 6th so RVH could potentially pitch 2 innings. Instead he put in jorge sosa who of course gives up a run and puts RVH in a spot where he could only pitch one inning as his batting spot came up next inning.

 

Fredi is a horrible bullpen manager. I think he's good in other aspects of managing, but he is absolutely abhorrent with the bullpen.

 

 

 

Didn't even think about this and you're right... He should have done that. But he has like a cheat sheet that he follows to the T. using your example he couldn't bring in RVH because he was saving him for the 7th. He doesn't go by his gut or instincts he just follows this little cheat sheet.

 

Have we seen enough of what Fredi offers and we should fire and hire someone else or do we ride it out. In his defense our bullpen sucks... we do have some good pieces in there nunez, hensley, sanches... but we need more.... I starting pitching is good not great, but a lot better then last year. Hitting is not as consistent as it should be but it does put up runs.

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Fredi's thinking last night.

 

On Tuesday, with two outs in the eighth, runners at second and third, and the Marlins clinging to an 8-7 lead over the Phillies, Gonzalez allowed Taylor Tankersley to pitch to Ben Francisco with a left-handed batter, Raul Ibanez, on deck. Tankersley had retired all seven left-handed batters he had faced to that point but was struggling against right-handers. Francisco singled, scoring the tying and go-ahead runs in a game the Phillies ended up winning, 10-8. Asked about it afterward, Gonzalez said: "It's a situation as a manager where you've got Ibanez on deck, but you also have (Jayson) Werth sitting in the dugout."

 

In other words, Gonzalez was concerned that the Phillies - had Francisco been walked -- sent up the right-handed hitting Werth to pinch-hit for Ibanez in that situation. Keep in mind that Gonzalez had only two relievers, both right-handers, left in the bullpenl: closer Leo Nunez, whom he was saving for the ninth inning, and Jay Buente, who was likely being kept in reserve if the game went into extra innings. Nunez has been asked to get more than three outs just once before this season -- his first outing on April 7 against the Mets -- and that didn't turn out so well. Nunez entered with the bases loaded in the eighth of a 2-run ballgame. He walked in one run and balked in another. He also walked two more batters in the ninth of a game the Marlins ended up winning in the 10th.

 

 

Read more: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/fish_bytes/2010/06/marlins-tv-ratings-up-for-mike-stanton-debut-.html#ixzz0qNyV3WEm

So he was worrying about the guy on deck instead of the guy at the plate.

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Fredi's thinking last night.

 

On Tuesday, with two outs in the eighth, runners at second and third, and the Marlins clinging to an 8-7 lead over the Phillies, Gonzalez allowed Taylor Tankersley to pitch to Ben Francisco with a left-handed batter, Raul Ibanez, on deck. Tankersley had retired all seven left-handed batters he had faced to that point but was struggling against right-handers. Francisco singled, scoring the tying and go-ahead runs in a game the Phillies ended up winning, 10-8. Asked about it afterward, Gonzalez said: "It's a situation as a manager where you've got Ibanez on deck, but you also have (Jayson) Werth sitting in the dugout."

 

In other words, Gonzalez was concerned that the Phillies - had Francisco been walked -- sent up the right-handed hitting Werth to pinch-hit for Ibanez in that situation. Keep in mind that Gonzalez had only two relievers, both right-handers, left in the bullpenl: closer Leo Nunez, whom he was saving for the ninth inning, and Jay Buente, who was likely being kept in reserve if the game went into extra innings. Nunez has been asked to get more than three outs just once before this season -- his first outing on April 7 against the Mets -- and that didn't turn out so well. Nunez entered with the bases loaded in the eighth of a 2-run ballgame. He walked in one run and balked in another. He also walked two more batters in the ninth of a game the Marlins ended up winning in the 10th.

 

 

Read more: http://miamiherald.t...http://miamiherald.typepad.com/fish_bytes/2010/06/marlins-tv-ratings-up-for-mike-stanton-debut-.html#ixzz0qNyV3WEm

So he was worrying about the guy on deck instead of the guy at the plate.

 

 

further proof of how terrible he is at managing the bullpen

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  • 2 weeks later...

It's time... Enough with the debating it is time! Fredi needs to be kicked upstairs be thanked by the Marlin universe for his admirable service. Fredi must be fired now! I feel that the slide the Marlins has experienced is not his fault, well not mostly, but at this moment nothing less is needed Change is needed now

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Fredi and Presley need to go...The team needs a shake-up...The players ultimately are the ones who make the plays (or not) but the manager is supposed to guide this team and give it the best chance of winning a ballgame... His late inning decisions (bullpen and pinch hitters) do not put this team in the best possible position to win ballgames, time for someone else with different approach

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