September 30, 201016 yr Anyone have a list of available lefties? I still have a man crush on Ted Lilly, fwiw. Left-handed starters Erik Bedard (32) - $8MM mutual option Doug Davis (35) - $6.5MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout Jorge De La Rosa (30) Jeff Francis (29) - $7MM club option Cliff Lee (32) Ted Lilly (35) Jamie Moyer (48) Andy Pettite (39) Nate Robertson (33) Dontrelle Willis (29) Left-handed relievers Brian Fuentes (35) Joe Beimel (34) Bruce Chen (34) Randy Choate (35) Scott Downs (35) Pedro Feliciano (34) Mark Hendrickson (37) - $1.2MM club option with a $200K buyout Ron Mahay (40) Will Ohman (32) Darren Oliver (40) - $3.25MM club option with a $500K buyout, vests with 59 appearances Dennys Reyes (34) Arthur Rhodes (41) J.C. Romero (35) - $4.5MM club option with a $250K buyout Bobby Seay (33) Hisanori Takahashi (36) Matt Thornton (34) - $3MM club option with a $250K buyout http://www.mlbtrader...ree-agents.html lets get Jamie Moyer, if he is on our team he won't be able to beat us, or maybe we could sign the D-train to a minor league contract, maybe he can get back to his old form.
September 30, 201016 yr Wow CyggyMarlin, just saw ur sig. Sorry to hear about your loss and I hope you are coping ok. I'm sure I speak for everyone on here. This, as well. Sorry, buddy.
September 30, 201016 yr Wow CyggyMarlin, just saw ur sig. Sorry to hear about your loss and I hope you are coping ok. I'm sure I speak for everyone on here. This, as well. Sorry, buddy. Same here-may you have wonderful memories and knowing he will be with you always in all you do.
September 30, 201016 yr Thanx everyone, I am doing ok so far. Baseball is a welcome distraction right now to keep my mind occupied until the service this weekend.
October 1, 201016 yr I think this team has a bigger problem than lack of a good left handed starter. I think its that they are obviously drawing the wrong conclusion from Nate Robertson, Sean West, Andrew Miller, etc. The lesson should be that a starting pitcher (or hitter, for that matter) doesn't have value just because of being left-handed. He has to still get outs, and if being left handed doesn't allow him to get more outs than a right-hander, he should not be given that job over the right hander. An ideal rotation would have a lefty or two in it, but a rotation with 4 pretty good righties and one bad lefty is going to be worse than one that has 5 good righties. I don't know if Sean West is the answer, but I don't see this team having the ability to pull in a lefty who would perform anywhere as close to the right handed options we have if West is not the answer.
October 1, 201016 yr I think this team has a bigger problem than lack of a good left handed starter. I think its that they are obviously drawing the wrong conclusion from Nate Robertson, Sean West, Andrew Miller, etc. The lesson should be that a starting pitcher (or hitter, for that matter) doesn't have value just because of being left-handed. He has to still get outs, and if being left handed doesn't allow him to get more outs than a right-hander, he should not be given that job over the right hander. An ideal rotation would have a lefty or two in it, but a rotation with 4 pretty good righties and one bad lefty is going to be worse than one that has 5 good righties. I don't know if Sean West is the answer, but I don't see this team having the ability to pull in a lefty who would perform anywhere as close to the right handed options we have if West is not the answer. I'm pretty sure they understand the "lesson"...
October 1, 201016 yr What's the obsession with left handers? Just find a guy who can frucking pitch. Yeah that.
October 1, 201016 yr I think this team has a bigger problem than lack of a good left handed starter. I think its that they are obviously drawing the wrong conclusion from Nate Robertson, Sean West, Andrew Miller, etc. The lesson should be that a starting pitcher (or hitter, for that matter) doesn't have value just because of being left-handed. He has to still get outs, and if being left handed doesn't allow him to get more outs than a right-hander, he should not be given that job over the right hander. An ideal rotation would have a lefty or two in it, but a rotation with 4 pretty good righties and one bad lefty is going to be worse than one that has 5 good righties. I don't know if Sean West is the answer, but I don't see this team having the ability to pull in a lefty who would perform anywhere as close to the right handed options we have if West is not the answer. I'm pretty sure they understand the "lesson"... They may understand that Robertson and crew sucked, but they don't understand that the missing piece is simply having better pitchers, not necessarilyt having better left handed pitchers.
October 1, 201016 yr I think this team has a bigger problem than lack of a good left handed starter. I think its that they are obviously drawing the wrong conclusion from Nate Robertson, Sean West, Andrew Miller, etc. The lesson should be that a starting pitcher (or hitter, for that matter) doesn't have value just because of being left-handed. He has to still get outs, and if being left handed doesn't allow him to get more outs than a right-hander, he should not be given that job over the right hander. An ideal rotation would have a lefty or two in it, but a rotation with 4 pretty good righties and one bad lefty is going to be worse than one that has 5 good righties. I don't know if Sean West is the answer, but I don't see this team having the ability to pull in a lefty who would perform anywhere as close to the right handed options we have if West is not the answer. I'm pretty sure they understand the "lesson"... They may understand that Robertson and crew sucked, but they don't understand that the missing piece is simply having better pitchers, not necessarilyt having better left handed pitchers. Seriously? Beinfest even said that he wouldn't mind having a rotation with all 5 righties, if need be. He wants some lefties in the bullpen; that's not silly at all. All good bullpens have at least 1 quality left-hander in them. A big part of this team's problem this year is the lack of balance. There has been no quality lefty in the bullpen all year, and no lefty on the bench/only 1 lefty hitter starting for the majority of the year, as well. It's really difficult to win that way. This team needs a lefty specialist. Two lefty specialists would be very nice, actually. They're pretty easy to get, especially this offseason when there are a good amount to be had in free agency. All teams need a lefty specialist, especially in a division like the NL East, which is loaded with good left-handed hitters. Also, people complain a lot about a move that actually worked well for us. We got Nate Robertson for...NOTHING. He was our #5, and compared to other #5's, he wasn't horrible. He helped the team to 6 wins & a near .500 record, with an ERA near 5. Seriously, that's what #5's do. That move also allowed us to move Clay Hensley to the bullpen; without Hensley's work in the pen this year, this team probably would've finished close to last place, if not in last place. It was a minor move that helped us. The other 2 guys you mentioned (Miller, West) are different. Those 2 guys were prospects, and they just haven't panned out. The organization expected good things from those two though; they weren't just here because they were "lefty." They were here because they were expected to succeed, and most scouts in MLB would've agreed with that as well back then. It just didn't work out with Miller, and hasn't worked out with West.
October 2, 201016 yr I think this team has a bigger problem than lack of a good left handed starter. I think its that they are obviously drawing the wrong conclusion from Nate Robertson, Sean West, Andrew Miller, etc. The lesson should be that a starting pitcher (or hitter, for that matter) doesn't have value just because of being left-handed. He has to still get outs, and if being left handed doesn't allow him to get more outs than a right-hander, he should not be given that job over the right hander. An ideal rotation would have a lefty or two in it, but a rotation with 4 pretty good righties and one bad lefty is going to be worse than one that has 5 good righties. I don't know if Sean West is the answer, but I don't see this team having the ability to pull in a lefty who would perform anywhere as close to the right handed options we have if West is not the answer. I'm pretty sure they understand the "lesson"... They may understand that Robertson and crew sucked, but they don't understand that the missing piece is simply having better pitchers, not necessarilyt having better left handed pitchers. Seriously? Beinfest even said that he wouldn't mind having a rotation with all 5 righties, if need be. He wants some lefties in the bullpen; that's not silly at all. All good bullpens have at least 1 quality left-hander in them. A big part of this team's problem this year is the lack of balance. There has been no quality lefty in the bullpen all year, and no lefty on the bench/only 1 lefty hitter starting for the majority of the year, as well. It's really difficult to win that way. This team needs a lefty specialist. Two lefty specialists would be very nice, actually. They're pretty easy to get, especially this offseason when there are a good amount to be had in free agency. All teams need a lefty specialist, especially in a division like the NL East, which is loaded with good left-handed hitters. Also, people complain a lot about a move that actually worked well for us. We got Nate Robertson for...NOTHING. He was our #5, and compared to other #5's, he wasn't horrible. He helped the team to 6 wins & a near .500 record, with an ERA near 5. Seriously, that's what #5's do. That move also allowed us to move Clay Hensley to the bullpen; without Hensley's work in the pen this year, this team probably would've finished close to last place, if not in last place. It was a minor move that helped us. The other 2 guys you mentioned (Miller, West) are different. Those 2 guys were prospects, and they just haven't panned out. The organization expected good things from those two though; they weren't just here because they were "lefty." They were here because they were expected to succeed, and most scouts in MLB would've agreed with that as well back then. It just didn't work out with Miller, and hasn't worked out with West. Nate Robertson was horrible. Trotting RVH out there would have been a much better option, as he at least had upside. I'm sorry, but I will never hail a trade for a 5 ERA guy as a good trade.
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