Whatever we'd give up for Encarnacion would be too much.

huh? As in money, players, draft picks, etc.

the Vlad talks have begun

 

Enc has some suitors in Atlanta, Houston, Anaheim, and the Mets

 

while happy with the offer from the Mets, the Castillo group doesnt know if he can handle the pressure of the big city and the booooooing

 

a reason why the O's talk with DLee may have died down is because of the reluctance of the O's to include Matt Riley

 

Pudge has a new suitor in the Angels

 

expect the Marlins to talk to a couple of key set up men.... i dont know names

 

this is all....

Good post Ramp.

 

Castillo to New York? He has to get approximately $400,000 more per year to offset the tax differential between Florida and New York. For example, if the Fish offered $16.50 mil over three years the Mets would have offer in excess of $17.70 mil over the same time period in order to be competitive.

 

Enc is either willing to take much less for a multi-year deal than his arbitration award (for one year) would likely be or he's going to Japan. I can't see anyone paying him $18-20 mil for three years, not in this market.

 

I may turn out to be completely wrong but from my perspective the only reason to talk to Vlad is to let Pudge know he's not the only big star on the Marlin's horizon. I think it's purely posturing on the Fish's part. They can't win a bidding war against the Yanks or Baltimore for the guy, and there certainly will be one if he's available, so this is just a negotiating tactic.

 

The objective with Lee is to dump his salary first and foremost. You can't make any substantial deal(s) with anyone else until you clear his payroll from your books for 2004. Everything I read on Lee in Baltimore suggests it was Lee, not the Marlins who pooh poohed the Orioles' proposal. The Marlins are in a submissive position in this (potential) trade, the Orioles and Lee has to agree to terms, then the Marlins will either take what they are offered, go to arbitration with him (which they can't do and stay under $60 mil) or get nothing.

Gary Matthews Jr=garbage.

To call Gary Matthews Jr. garbage is an insult to garbage.

From what he did in San Diego last year, Matthews, Jr. is better than Encarnacion, who's also been on "every crappy team imaginable"

Oh yeah the marlins are really crappy.

 

How about he gets that World Series trophy and slaps a little sense into you huh.

Oh yeah the marlins are really crappy.

 

How about he gets that World Series trophy and slaps a little sense into you huh.

I didn't say every team he's been on has been crappy, I said he's been on every crappy team imaginable. Matthews, Jr. was on a good Cubs team in 2001.

i heard it from a birdie....

and you want me to give you proof?

matthews jr. is going to be the next milton bradley. he has the same tools and potentiel.

i heard it from a birdie....

and you want me to give you proof? those who know me, realize it is a very VERY credible source

i heard it from a birdie....

and you want me to give you proof? those who know me, realize it is a very VERY credible source Not to mention El Rampo actually has credibility...

i heard it from a birdie....

and you want me to give you proof? those who know me, realize it is a very VERY credible source can u PM me w. it i wont tell nobody..

The question isn't have the Vlad talks begun.....it's how serious are they?

from what i gathered, they were talking numbers, years, etc...

 

meaning i would think we are more interested than other teams(not to say more than Bal or whoever)

i heard it from a birdie....

and you want me to give you proof? those who know me, realize it is a very VERY credible source can u PM me w. it i wont tell nobody.. i will.

 

if you tell me your email address or dump the Pubes Beinfest at Yale act.

 

you have my word

Can someone explain how the Marlins could accommodate a $10 mil a year player with a $60 mil payroll that includes $11 million in deferred payments to Pudge and Hampton?

Can someone explain how the Marlins could accommodate a $10 mil a year player with a $60 mil payroll that includes $11 million in deferred payments to Pudge and Hampton?

magic?

i heard it from a birdie....

and you want me to give you proof? those who know me, realize it is a very VERY credible source can u PM me w. it i wont tell nobody.. i will.

 

if you tell me your email address or dump the Pubes Beinfest at Yale act.

 

you have my word sorry I cannot do taht. that will be false if I do. and im not a lier. im sorry if i do not fit in with ur fascists ideas.

Can someone explain how the Marlins could accommodate a $10 mil a year player with a $60 mil payroll that includes $11 million in deferred payments to Pudge and Hampton?

by playing a game i like to call....

 

skill in mathematics

Ramp, this thread and the Choi trade made a terrible day bearable.

i heard it from a birdie....

and you want me to give you proof? Pubes, take it from me, Ramp has an excellent source.

Can someone explain how the Marlins could accommodate a $10 mil a year player with a $60 mil payroll that includes $11 million in deferred payments to Pudge and Hampton?

I will, give me a sec...

 

Here we go:

 

Ok, I see now. Pudge's salary this year would be $7M + $3M deferred = total $10M. Castillo is making $6M = total $16M. Call me crazy, but I think we would be better off by putting Castro in there (yes, he has to be found innocent) at roughly 300-400K. Then you let Redmond go and replace him with a cheaper backup, around 300-500K. Next, replace Castillo with minor leaguer/FA/prospect. That could be anywhere from 300K-$2M. Then, sign Vlad at about $10M this year, and increase it over the next several years (3 years total?) to get him what he wants financially. It would look something like this:

 

Pudge 10,000,000

Castillo 6,000,000

Redmd 1,100,000

total 17,100,000

 

Castro 400,000

bckup 500,000

2B 2,000,000

Vlad 10,000,000

total 12,900,000

 

Still save about $4M AND get, in my opinion, a better team. Vlad is easily the best hitter on this team - put him in the middle of the lineup. Castro could replace Pudge - and even improve in some categories of offense (more power). Find a capable backup, and there are plenty around, for catcher; could even retain Redmond if you chose. There are plenty of options for 2B out there that wont hurt our team either - trade for Roberts (O's), sign Reese, Young, or even work a deal out for Alomar (which I DONT suggest), or possibly go with Medrano/Hooper/Valdez(?). Either way, there is actually a lot of flexibility and this could get done. Remember, that is maximum figures I proposed above, and you could even use the extra money to increase Vlad's pay.

 

Check out the thread 'Lee, Encarnacion...' for more discussion/reaction. Of course, you notice, that the trade of Lee was anticipated.

Vlad will command more than 10 millions, and longer term than 3 years.

Ramp, this thread and the Choi trade made a terrible day bearable.

i do what i can...

 

best. day. ever.

Marlins talking to Vald?Yo Ramp give me a link please.I hope the Marlins really try to sign Vlad.I would love to see how Hank fat a** will counter that after talking about fire sale.

i have no link my man....

 

i spoke to someone important today and he told me so