canada-marlin24 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 At what point do Michael Hill and Admin Beinfest go even with them seemingly having lifetime contracts. If we don't make the playoffs this year that will be 9 straight years. Most teams would have gone through 2-3 GMs by then. They aren't getting it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymous Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 4-5 GMs through 9 years? What teams did that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 4-5 GMs through 9 years? What teams did that? I wonder that, too. I mean, hell, Billy Beane trades young players for even younger players and he's still a GM, and they've not been since 06 [or even close]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada-marlin24 Posted June 23, 2012 Author Share Posted June 23, 2012 4-5 GMs through 9 years? What teams did that? I wonder that, too. I mean, hell, Billy Beane trades young players for even younger players and he's still a GM, and they've not been since 06 [or even close]. Lol ok maybe a little exaggerated. But 2-3 I think. Either way, they just aren't getting it done. And Michael Hill is just Beinfest's minion like Jed hoyer is to Theo Epstein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Timer Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 At what point do Michael Hill and Admin Beinfest go even with them seemingly having lifetime contracts. If we don't make the playoffs this year that will be 9 straight years. Most teams would have gone through 2-3 GMs by then. They aren't getting it done. I've said this before and gotten roasted by some on this board. Thank God I am not alone anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Timer Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 4-5 GMs through 9 years? What teams did that? I wonder that, too. I mean, hell, Billy Beane trades young players for even younger players and he's still a GM, and they've not been since 06 [or even close]. But the Marlins haven't been since 2003. And close is just not good enough. But the oblivious blind faithers will I am sure defend his honor...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 4-5 GMs through 9 years? What teams did that? I wonder that, too. I mean, hell, Billy Beane trades young players for even younger players and he's still a GM, and they've not been since 06 [or even close]. But the Marlins haven't been since 2003. And close is just not good enough. But the oblivious blind faithers will I am sure defend his honor...... - Calls people out on their blind faith - Goes to Church :| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Timer Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Look, no matter if you think Beinfest is good or bad, results are what matters, and he just hasn't gotten the job done. On many levels...... New and fresh blood and outlook are needed by this franchise. If Loria is serious about winning - TRULY SERIOUS - in my opinion he will do something about it by the beginning of next season. This mediocrity is already killing attendance. Same old Marlins....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbob1313 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 You know how sometimes, when you are sitting outside at night and you stop noticing the sound of the various critters around you, because the noise they are making begins to drone and your brain gets used to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 At what point do Michael Hill and Admin Beinfest go even with them seemingly having lifetime contracts. If we don't make the playoffs this year that will be 9 straight years. Most teams would have gone through 2-3 GMs by then. They aren't getting it done. I've said this before and gotten roasted by some on this board. Thank God I am not alone anymore. You were "roasted" for saying stuff much more outrageous than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jokersgoon Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Who would be some candidates to replace Admin or mike? I really like Admin though, he's consider a top executive in baseball and better gm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymous Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Kidnap Andrew Friedman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish4Life Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 This is all on the players! Playing with sh*t energy and just making garbage mistakes. NO timely hitting either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jokersgoon Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Trader jack for g.m!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 On a more serious note, I wish two things would happen in the offseason: 1.) Loria/Samson should make a greater attempt to stay out of baseball decisions. Putting all of the pieces together, I get the impression that Loria was pretty integral in several of the free agent signings, especially Buck and Bell. I suppose it's Loria's money to waste, but when you start accumulating a lot of dead weight contracts, your hands can be tied. 2.) Beinfest/Hill should leave the organization. I don't think they've been terrible in the slightest, but I would like to see some fresh blood. I'm pretty dissatisfied with the current core of players and think that a fresh perspective would go a long ways in restocking the farm system and simulaneously fielding a competitive team. It would be pretty cool if they could bring someone in who's more statistically oriented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymous Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 On a more serious note, I wish two things would happen in the offseason: 1.) Loria/Samson should make a greater attempt to stay out of baseball decisions. Putting all of the pieces together, I get the impression that Loria was pretty integral in several of the free agent signings, especially Buck and Bell. I suppose it's Loria's money to waste, but when you start accumulating a lot of dead weight contracts, your hands can be tied. 2.) Beinfest/Hill should leave the organization. I don't think they've been terrible in the slightest, but I would like to see some fresh blood. I'm pretty dissatisfied with the current core of players and think that a fresh perspective would go a long ways in restocking the farm system and simulaneously fielding a competitive team. It would be pretty cool if they could bring someone in who's more statistically oriented. I agree on both points. I would love to bring in a GM/President of Baseball Operations who uses Sabermetrics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Let's steal Billy Beane. Or Bill James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The problem is that Loria/Samson will never hire someone like that because sabermetrics appear to be somewhat antithetical to their own philosophies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poptart Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Since Michael Hill became Assisstant GM the Marlins have stunk: fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbob1313 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Correlation always equals causation: fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Bob always equals Bob: fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTtheILMarlins Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 On a more serious note, I wish two things would happen in the offseason: 1.) Loria/Samson should make a greater attempt to stay out of baseball decisions. Putting all of the pieces together, I get the impression that Loria was pretty integral in several of the free agent signings, especially Buck and Bell. I suppose it's Loria's money to waste, but when you start accumulating a lot of dead weight contracts, your hands can be tied. 2.) Beinfest/Hill should leave the organization. I don't think they've been terrible in the slightest, but I would like to see some fresh blood. I'm pretty dissatisfied with the current core of players and think that a fresh perspective would go a long ways in restocking the farm system and simulaneously fielding a competitive team. It would be pretty cool if they could bring someone in who's more statistically oriented. I agree with this, it's time for some new people, and it has been 9 years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada-marlin24 Posted June 24, 2012 Author Share Posted June 24, 2012 I would love to see what billy beane could do with 100 million dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I would love to see what billy beane could do with 100 million dollars. Somehow build a World Series team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I think Beinfest is a great GM for a low payroll team, but I agree that some new blood could be beneficial to the organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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