I would do that Turner trade, even though it might hurt us long term (he's still a decent pitching arm). Especially if we can sign Trumbo to an extension. Ramos is nice but he's a luxury at this point and we need to sell that off a bit to pay our "Power" bills.

 

I also would mind seeing if we can trade Lomo for Middlebrooks as well. As much as Lomo is likeable by some here, his power won't ever play in Marlins park. Atleast Trumbo's might.

 

If we can get a Starting 3B for Lomo then I'm all for it. Adding Middlebrooks and Trumbo to this lineup will give it SOME credibility, where as right now it looks like something we might have gotten on sale at Costco.

 

Moving Lomo and getting both Trumbo and Middlebrooks may be like making moves to just make moves, but Lomo will NEVER be a .300 hitter with 20 HR's playing in Marlins park. The Red Sox may trade for him to fill Napoli's 1B job or to play DH as well. Middlebrooks may be in AAA next year from what I've read.

I would do that Turner trade, even though it might hurt us long term (he's still a decent pitching arm). Especially if we can sign Trumbo to an extension. Ramos is nice but he's a luxury at this point and we need to sell that off a bit to pay our "Power" bills.

 

I also would mind seeing if we can trade Lomo for Middlebrooks as well. As much as Lomo is likeable by some here, his power won't ever play in Marlins park. Atleast Trumbo's might.

 

If we can get a Starting 3B for Lomo then I'm all for it. Adding Middlebrooks and Trumbo to this lineup will give it SOME credibility, where as right now it looks like something we might have gotten on sale at Costco.

 

Moving Lomo and getting both Trumbo and Middlebrooks may be like making moves to just make moves, but Lomo will NEVER be a .300 hitter with 20 HR's playing in Marlins park. The Red Sox may trade for him to fill Napoli's 1B job or to play DH as well. Middlebrooks may be in AAA next year from what I've read.

 

The big thing with the Sox is if the bring back Stephen Drew. If they do, Boegarts moves to third and your Middlebrooks/LoMo swap makes sense for both teams. The big problem with that is reports are saying it's very unlikely the Sox resign Drew for that exact reason... The have Boegarts ready to replace Drew.

I don't want Hech batting 2nd, but it helps the lineup more, IMO, with Ozuna batting in the middle rather than up top.

 

You've been reading too many Wild Card posts. Hechavarria had a .267 OBP last season. That's a 7th spot hitter at very best even in a shitty Marlins lineup.

I think people here are overrating Trumbo because of his home runs. In reality he's a 2.0-2.5 WAR player. You don't trade a good pitching prospect and a solid bullpen arm away for that, especially considering that he's going to be way overvalued in arbitration.

I don't want Hech batting 2nd, but it helps the lineup more, IMO, with Ozuna batting in the middle rather than up top.

 

You've been reading too many Wild Card posts. Hechavarria had a .267 OBP last season. That's a 7th spot hitter at very best even in a shitty Marlins lineup.

Nobody would be ideal to hit second in that lineup. Luckily you get 162 games to figure it out... I would probably give the #2 hole ab's to Ozuna over Hech to start the year and go from there.

I think I'd do that, yeah. Gotta hope Flynn is good to go for next year to replace Turner, but I think so. Could maybe see this lineup opening day:

 

LF Yelich / Hech SS / Morrison 1B / Stanton RF / Trumbo 3B / Ozuna CF / Dietrich 2B / Fernandez P / Mathis C

 

Yep. Fernandez > Mathis.

 

I don't want Hech batting 2nd, but it helps the lineup more, IMO, with Ozuna batting in the middle rather than up top.

 

Rotation: Fernandez, Eovaldi, Alvarez, Rotating Door between Flynn, Hand, Koehler.

 

I guess?

 

IDK. I'll analyze this later.

 

I'd be cool with that lineup, as long as another catcher is starting. Could be any other starting catcher in MLB and I'm cool, lol.

I guess if you're cool with being a sub-.500 team.

I think people here are overrating Trumbo because of his home runs. In reality he's a 2.0-2.5 WAR player. You don't trade a good pitching prospect and a solid bullpen arm away for that, especially considering that he's going to be way overvalued in arbitration.

 

So you would prefer Juan Uribe over Mark Trumbo? You can't make moves based on one statistic.

I don't want Hech batting 2nd, but it helps the lineup more, IMO, with Ozuna batting in the middle rather than up top.

 

You've been reading too many Wild Card posts. Hechavarria had a .267 OBP last season. That's a 7th spot hitter at very best even in a shitty Marlins lineup.I did say I didn't want Hech up top, either. I guess Ozuna at #2 with Dietrich at #6 wouldn't be horrendificous, either.

And I'm gonna back out of this.

I don't want Hech batting 2nd, but it helps the lineup more, IMO, with Ozuna batting in the middle rather than up top.

 

You've been reading too many Wild Card posts. Hechavarria had a .267 OBP last season. That's a 7th spot hitter at very best even in a shitty Marlins lineup.

Nobody would be ideal to hit second in that lineup. Luckily you get 162 games to figure it out... I would probably give the #2 hole ab's to Ozuna over Hech to start the year and go from there.

I don't know why I bother because your line-up proposals never make any sense, but with the aforementioned group of players, it would make much more sense to hit Morrison 2nd and Stanton 3rd.

And I'm back in.

I'm not a fan of two straight lefties, personally, especially at the top of the lineup. But, at the same time, why not?

LF Yelich / 1B Morrison / RF Stanton / 3B Trumbo / CF Ozuna / 2B Dietrich / SS Hech / C Whoever / Pitchers

 

OK, yeah, why not?

I guess Ozuna at #2 with Dietrich at #6 wouldn't be horrendificous, either.

 

That's the way I would do it as well.

I guess if you're cool with being a sub-.500 team.

 

Are you saying Mathis would be a better choice than many of the options we have on the FA or trade market?

I think people here are overrating Trumbo because of his home runs. In reality he's a 2.0-2.5 WAR player. You don't trade a good pitching prospect and a solid bullpen arm away for that, especially considering that he's going to be way overvalued in arbitration.

 

So you would prefer Juan Uribe over Mark Trumbo? You can't make moves based on one statistic.

How about neither? It depends on how much Loria is willing to spend. I do not support trading away young arms to acquire overvalued players who probably still won't produce a winning team.

And I'm back in.

I'm not a fan of two straight lefties, personally, especially at the top of the lineup. But, at the same time, why not?

LF Yelich / 1B Morrison / RF Stanton / 3B Trumbo / CF Ozuna / 2B Dietrich / SS Hech / C Whoever / Pitchers

 

OK, yeah, why not?

 

Having two lefties in a row makes a ton more sense than batting a guy with a .267 OBP second.

And I'm back in.

I'm not a fan of two straight lefties, personally, especially at the top of the lineup. But, at the same time, why not?

LF Yelich / 1B Morrison / RF Stanton / 3B Trumbo / CF Ozuna / 2B Dietrich / SS Hech / C Whoever / Pitchers

 

OK, yeah, why not?

 

Again, I agree with you, break up the lefties whenever you can. Again, this is baseball, you get 162 times to figure it out. How many lineups did Red use in 2013? Seriously... how many?

I think people here are overrating Trumbo because of his home runs. In reality he's a 2.0-2.5 WAR player. You don't trade a good pitching prospect and a solid bullpen arm away for that, especially considering that he's going to be way overvalued in arbitration.

 

So you would prefer Juan Uribe over Mark Trumbo? You can't make moves based on one statistic.

How about neither? It depends on how much Loria is willing to spend. I do not support trading away young arms to acquire overvalued players who probably still won't produce a winning team.

If you're all about WAR, what's wrong with Uribe's 5.3 WAR in 2013?

Having two lefties in a row makes a ton more sense than batting a guy with a .267 OBP second.

 

I do agree with this, actually.

Are you saying Mathis would be a better choice than many of the options we have on the FA or trade market?

 

I'm saying that if you factor in any catcher that the Marlins could conceivably acquire, that's still a sub .500 lineup.

Are you expecting this team to improve by 20 games over one year, though?

I mean, it's possible, but not plausible with this team just yet.

Are you saying Mathis would be a better choice than many of the options we have on the FA or trade market?

 

I'm saying that if you factor in any catcher that the Marlins could conceivably acquire, that's still a sub .500 lineup.

Christian Yelich

Dioner Navarro

Giancarlo Stanton

Logan Morrison

Mark Trumbo

Derek Dietrich

Marcell Ozuna

Adeiny Hechavarria

P

 

Barring health, that could be a .500+ team with our pitching. It could also suck. But that's a real lineup...

If you're all about WAR, what's wrong with Uribe's 5.3 WAR in 2013?.

 

Come on, now. He's had an injury history and was absolutely terrible when healthy in 2011 and 2012. It's fine if he's dirt cheap, but he won't be. Some team will be dumb enough to overpay based upon those 2013 numbers.

Are you saying Mathis would be a better choice than many of the options we have on the FA or trade market?

 

I'm saying that if you factor in any catcher that the Marlins could conceivably acquire, that's still a sub .500 lineup.

Christian Yelich

Dioner Navarro

Giancarlo Stanton

Logan Morrison

Mark Trumbo

Derek Dietrich

Marcell Ozuna

Adeiny Hechavarria

P

 

Barring health, that could be a .500+ team with our pitching. It could also suck. But that's a real lineup...

That's a pretty lousy line-up actually. It's no reasonable to assume that Navarro is going to repeat what he did 2013 based upon his track record. He's a back-up catcher basically.

If you're all about WAR, what's wrong with Uribe's 5.3 WAR in 2013?.

 

Come on, now. He's had an injury history and was absolutely terrible when healthy in 2011 and 2012. It's fine if he's dirt cheap, but he won't be. Some team will be dumb enough to overpay based upon those 2013 numbers.

I'd be all for Middlebrooks if the Red Sox would take this same trade proposal btw. Bill James has him having a big time season, 32 HR.

Are you saying Mathis would be a better choice than many of the options we have on the FA or trade market?

 

I'm saying that if you factor in any catcher that the Marlins could conceivably acquire, that's still a sub .500 lineup.

Christian Yelich

Dioner Navarro

Giancarlo Stanton

Logan Morrison

Mark Trumbo

Derek Dietrich

Marcell Ozuna

Adeiny Hechavarria

P

 

Barring health, that could be a .500+ team with our pitching. It could also suck. But that's a real lineup...

That's a pretty lousy line-up actually. It's no reasonable to assume that Navarro is going to repeat what he did 2013 based upon his track record. He's a back-up catcher basically.

I would agree that it's a high risk, high reward lineup. I wouldn't say it's lousy. A lot of talented guys in that order, if all falls into place you could have a winning team. If all doesn't fall into place, you still suck, just not as much as last year.

Are you saying Mathis would be a better choice than many of the options we have on the FA or trade market?

 

I'm saying that if you factor in any catcher that the Marlins could conceivably acquire, that's still a sub .500 lineup.

Christian Yelich

Dioner Navarro

Giancarlo Stanton

Logan Morrison

Mark Trumbo

Derek Dietrich

Marcell Ozuna

Adeiny Hechavarria

P

 

Barring health, that could be a .500+ team with our pitching. It could also suck. But that's a real lineup...

That's a pretty lousy line-up actually. It's no reasonable to assume that Navarro is going to repeat what he did 2013 based upon his track record. He's a back-up catcher basically.

I would agree that it's a high risk, high reward lineup. I wouldn't say it's lousy. A lot of talented guys in that order, if all falls into place you could have a winning team. If all doesn't fall into place, you still suck, just not as much as last year.

It's far too optimistic to expect everyone to either meet their potential or match what they have done in career high seasons. You are pretty much counting on that.

I think people here are overrating Trumbo because of his home runs. In reality he's a 2.0-2.5 WAR player. You don't trade a good pitching prospect and a solid bullpen arm away for that, especially considering that he's going to be way overvalued in arbitration.

 

I was just about to post something similar... initially I was warm to the idea of trading for him (not for that deal necessarily) but worried maybe I'm overvaluing him somewhat. Is he a natural 3b? He's barely played there at all over the past 3 years and even at 1b he's not plus defensively. And still sub .800 ops despite the homers, that's not easy to do. I dunno, AJ Ramos is going to be reaaaallly useful here over the next few years.

 

Plus it's doubtful they'd extend him anyway.

I wouldn't want the Marlins to extend Trumbo anyway, because he'll likely demand more than he's actually worth.