nekromantique Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Glad to see Koehler continue his run. The guy is better than some people thought, hopefully he continues. Hand, in the other Hand, should have a short leash I hope. Hand in his original role as long reliever should be fine. But him being the starter, no matter the reasons why, is awful. Sent from my SM-N900T using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdg210 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 You can draw those conclusions by assessing the talent of the offense. The sample size accumulated thus far tells you very little. The offense is mediocre at best. Disagree. The sample size includes both good and bad pitching teams. The sample size is indicative of a good hitting team. The concern is, and should be, on the defense and pitching. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Theres a larger sample size than 15 games for most of these guys, and when you look at the larger career sample sizes, you can draw the conclusion of mediocrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Hit it where they ain't, guys!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Ram Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Disagree. The sample size includes both good and bad pitching teams. The sample size is indicative of a good hitting team. The concern is, and should be, on the defense and pitching. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk You are ignoring larger sample sizes of production that are more telling than the first 15 games of this year. It's a recency bias, which is a natural inclination, but it's a bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdg210 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 You are ignoring larger sample sizes of production that are more telling than the first 15 games of this year. It's a recency bias, which is a natural inclination, but it's a bias. As with any sample size, it can be distorted in many ways (e.g. increased, decreased). However, considering the distribution regarding the quality of teams I would say it is accurate. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Disagree. The sample size includes both good and bad pitching teams. The sample size is indicative of a good hitting team. The concern is, and should be, on the defense and pitching. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk This post makes no sense. If the sample size is too small, it can't be indicative of anything, good or bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 As with any sample size, it can be distorted in many ways (e.g. increased, decreased). However, considering the distribution regarding the quality of teams I would say it is accurate. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Huh? It's almost like you don't get the concept of what a "small" sample size entails. Dietrich is not going to finish the season with an OBP of .429. Or maybe I am missing what you are saying because it's not phrased well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdg210 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 This post makes no sense. If the sample size is too small, it can't be indicative of anything, good or bad. If you conclude it's too small then you'd be correct. However, if you make that conclusion then you'd wrong, making your post pointless. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 If you conclude it's too small then you'd be correct. However, if you make that conclusion then you'd wrong, making your post pointless. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk I don't follow what you are saying. You aren't conveying your thoughts very clearly. The sample size is too small to say that the offense his succeeding. You can conclude that the offense is mediocre at best by looking at the massive amount of data that exists before these 15 games and base your projects upon that. This is common sense stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdg210 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Huh? It's almost like you don't get the concept of what a "small" sample size entails. Dietrich is not going to finish the season with an OBP of .429. Or maybe I am missing what you are saying because it's not phrased well. No it's phrased correctly. A sample size is one that is selected based on its characteristics relevant to the size. My position is that you can select any sample size that you want but the sample size selected is sufficient to conclude the offense is not mediocre but is good and we'll be so. 3 runs again tonight. The loss tonight was, again due to poor pitching and defense. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 No it's phrased correctly. A sample size is one that is selected based on its characteristics relevant to the size. My position is that you can select any sample size that you want but the sample size selected is sufficient to conclude the offense is not mediocre but is good and we'll be so. 3 runs again tonight. The loss tonight was, again due to poor pitching and defense. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk You clearly don't know anything about statistics. A sample of 15 games cannot provide you with enough data to assess the performance of the offense with a reasonable degree of confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdg210 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I don't follow what you are saying. You aren't conveying your thoughts very clearly. The sample size is too small to say that the offense his succeeding. You can conclude that the offense is mediocre at best by looking at the massive amount of data that exists before these 15 games and base your projects upon that. This is common sense stuff. No, that's incorrect. You're basing your conclusion on previous years that have no bearing on this year's statistics. You can make your position but to conclude yours is common sense is an exaggeration. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdg210 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 You clearly don't know anything about statistics. A sample of 15 games cannot provide you with enough data to assess the performance of the offense with a reasonable degree of confidence. That's funny. I would draw the same conclusion about you. I've already stated my position with respect to the teams played. You've stated your position which is clearly erroneous. Therefore, there is nothing left to do but agree to disagree. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 No, that's incorrect. You're basing your conclusion on previous years that have no bearing on this year's statistics. You can make your position but to conclude yours is common sense is an exaggeration. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk What on earth are you talking about? Statistics from previous seasons are used all of the time in order to project the caliber of an offense in the following season. At this point we can still only project because a sample size of 15 games is wholly insufficient in telling you anything with confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 That's funny. I would draw the same conclusion about you. I've already stated my position with respect to the teams played. You've stated your position which is clearly erroneous. Therefore, there is nothing left to do but agree to disagree. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk How does this respond to anything that I just said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I feel like I am less intelligent after reading this discussion. The Marlins could score 100 more runs this year than they did last year and still have one of the worst offenses in baseball. Our offense is not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I'm not sure how you can say this. Only three teams have scored more runs than us so far this year, and we're third in hits. Out of our regular line-up, we've only one player hitting below .280. Last night was always going to happen. The losing streak happened because of poor pitching, fielding errors, some bits of bad luck, and some bad calls. The offense is fine, any may even get better when Furcal (and to a lesser extent, Lucas) returns and we can start to give Jones quite a few days off. If anything, Furcal will make the offense worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I was holding back saying it, but those are some of the dumbest posts I've ever seen on this board. By his logic, we should conclude with confidence that the Marlins will finish 2nd in the league in terms of runs scored per game. Or 4th in OPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Ram Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I was holding back saying it, but those are some of the dumbest posts I've ever seen on this board. By his logic, we should conclude with confidence that the Marlins will finish 2nd in the league in terms of runs scored per game. Or 4th in OPS. I gave up on the discussion on the last page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdg210 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I was holding back saying it, but those are some of the dumbest posts I've ever seen on this board. By his logic, we should conclude with confidence that the Marlins will finish 2nd in the league in terms of runs scored per game. Or 4th in OPS. I agree your posts are dumb. I mean seriously, past numbers are before the season starts. Based your skewed logic there's no point in playing out the season because the past data have already concluded what will take place this year. So why don't you go tell MLB how you figured how every team will do and that there's no point to playing this year. Absolutely, moronic to read your texts. I'm done with your posts. It's obvious having a rational conversation is not going to happen. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdg210 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I feel like I am less intelligent after reading this discussion. The Marlins could score 100 more runs this year than they did last year and still have one of the worst offenses in baseball. Our offense is not good. Then you've made point clear that no matter what they do, you don't like their offense so, numbers are not relevant to you. Ok. Good to know. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 You have to be trolling at this point. I'm convinced of that now. You have to be SomethingFishy or someone else who was banned for posting idiotic things nonstop. If you are being serious, I challenge you to find one person on this board who endorses your line of thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdg210 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 You have to be trolling at this point. I'm convinced of that now. You have to be SomethingFishy or someone else who was banned for posting idiotic things nonstop. If you are being serious, I challenge you to find one person on this board who endorses your line of thinking. One, I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't troll. Maybe that's something you feel you need to say because you have no valid response. Fine. As for your second statement, I don't need or care who agrees with my position. I can stand on my own position without the need of approval by others. But if that helps you feel better, get all the approval you need. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Did someone say beefcake?!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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