jonnylons Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Tim Worrell has been mentioned. He had a very good season once Nen went down. (38SVs 2.87ERA) He made $2M last year, and considering he is 36, anything beyond 2 years is problematic. I wonder if he could be had between 5-6M over 2 years... Scott Sullivan is another guy I like. Solid. Wasnt offered arbitration by the White Sox (huh?). Primarily a set up, opponents batted .205 against him last season (.211 in NL, .184 AL) and held a 3.66 ERA. Made 2.8M last year, could cost more than Worrell, and it may be hard to get him to take less. Mike DeJean. 4.68 ERA, 19SVs, 71K in 82.2IP. Made 1.7M last year, is 33. Affordable, seems to have a live fastball and could be a closer. Why not? BAA is .269, and he gave up 13 HRs. Yikes... Kerry Lightenberg - I like this guy. 32, made only 1M last year. Had a 3.34 ERA, a .263 BAA though, 47K/14BB in 59.1IP. 1SV. I think he could convert to closer, much like Worrell did last year. It does depend on who is setting up in front though, but even if we went with another closer, this guy is cheap and has a live arm. This guy is a top priority in terms of value for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 I like all 4 of those guys. (maybe DeJean the least..) Sullivan threw tons of innings for the Reds over the years, and can be unhittable at times. None of them come cheap, but if they don't go after Javy or another big name, I'd think they could even afford two of these arms if they wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Mike DeJean. 4.68 ERA, 19SVs, 71K in 82.2IP. Made 1.7M last year, is 33. Affordable, seems to have a live fastball and could be a closer. Why not? BAA is .269, and he gave up 13 HRs. Yikes... DeJean could come for around $1 Million, possibly less after the season he had. I like the idea. Although, I may feel the urge to run on the field and cut his hair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnylons Posted December 8, 2003 Author Share Posted December 8, 2003 Yeah, I agree. The other guy mentioned (in Sun-Sentinel) was Armando Benitez. I think he could turn around with us, yes, but I just am not willing to give him a shot. He may be too expensive to take a flyer on, but cheap enough to warrant his production as 'valuable'. Much like Looper, and I dont want him back either (I would rather Urbina, but that aint happenin). Another interesting idea, if I may say so myself , is Robert Person. Yeah, the former Phillie starter. I think this guy has the mental makeup to convert to closer and has the tools and the arm to get the job done. Also, he could be relativly cheap as he was out pretty much all of last season. I think he is looking to get back to form, and pitching against his former team the Phillies could be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Yeah, I agree. The other guy mentioned (in Sun-Sentinel) was Armando Benitez. And my theory now takes effect... :shifty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnylons Posted December 8, 2003 Author Share Posted December 8, 2003 Yeah, I agree. The other guy mentioned (in Sun-Sentinel) was Armando Benitez. And my theory now takes effect... :shifty Sigh... Captain Obvious, ladies and gents... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnylons Posted December 8, 2003 Author Share Posted December 8, 2003 Mike DeJean. 4.68 ERA, 19SVs, 71K in 82.2IP. Made 1.7M last year, is 33. Affordable, seems to have a live fastball and could be a closer. Why not? BAA is .269, and he gave up 13 HRs. Yikes... DeJean could come for around $1 Million, possibly less after the season he had. I like the idea. Although, I may feel the urge to run on the field and cut his hair. Does he have a mullet? Cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 I like Ligtenberg as well BUT, and I don't remember what his shortcoming is, like Tejera, he has a problem with certain batters, lefty or righty, forget which and I don't have the time to look it up. That's why the O's cut him free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geemoney Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Jose Jimenez has been mentioned as an option as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 I like Ligtenberg as well BUT, and I don't remember what his shortcoming is, like Tejera, he has a problem with certain batters, lefty or righty, forget which and I don't have the time to look it up. That's why the O's cut him free. 4-1 4.12ERA 19.2 IP 12K 11BB .424 Opposing Average against Lefties 4-2 2.95ERA 39.2 IP 35K 3BB .233 Opposing Average against Righties He has some trouble against the lefties... not exactly a fit for this team where we need a guy who can actually get lefties out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Yeah, I agree.? The other guy mentioned (in Sun-Sentinel) was Armando Benitez. And my theory now takes effect... :shifty Sigh... Captain Obvious, ladies and gents... OK, after we sign Armando and he saves 45 games with a 2.50 ERA, you'll tell me, "It was enevitable to happen, Captain Obvious." Kinda like you're doing now. Maybe you should go thread digging and get your facts straight. Everything I have stated wasn't so obvious when I stated it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnylons Posted December 8, 2003 Author Share Posted December 8, 2003 Uh huh...right. Tell me, how is it you are going out on a limb with Benitez? The guy had a 2.96 ERA last season and 21 SVs. And he struck out 75 in 73IP. Do you think you are the only one with stat recognition, Capt.? Or perhaps, the only one who has read he is a possible target by the Marlins FO? Gee Capt Obvious, what exactly are you reporting here? Because as far as I can tell, it is very probable the Marlins will give this guy a look - you are not breaking anything here. Now, if you said that the Marlins were going to go get, say...Eddie Guardado, I would be inclined to give you props when that happens. Because there isnt anyone here who has said that yet. Being first to say something doesnt grant you the genius title, so calm your little 5 year old ego down, child. And tell me, why would you want a guy who melts in high pressure situations to be given the ball for your team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 i do NOT want The Choker of pitchers to be on this squad let it be known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnylons Posted December 8, 2003 Author Share Posted December 8, 2003 i do NOT want The Choker of pitchers to be on this squad let it be known. Amen. And since he made $6M plus last season, we may not have to worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Supposedly the Braves want Worrell badly, and they're close to a deal, so I think we can cross his name off our list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGonzalez11 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Say it with me....WE WANT FOULKE! If we're going to spend some decent $$ on a closer, we'd be much better off spending the extra 2-3 mil on Foulke than we would on getting Benitez. His stats may always look good, but he blows big games and will drive you crazy, just like Looper did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Say it with me....WE WANT FOULKE! If we're going to spend some decent $$ on a closer, we'd be much better off spending the extra 2-3 mil on Foulke than we would on getting Benitez. His stats may always look good, but he blows big games and will drive you crazy, just like Looper did. Foulke has/or will get a 4 or 5 year offer from Boston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanleylicious Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Lightenberg is very close to signing with the BlueJays He would've been a nice addition to our pen. I still would like Worrell and Sullivan though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnylons Posted December 8, 2003 Author Share Posted December 8, 2003 Foulke, I think at his current price we would have to decline. I would rather re-sign Urbina for that kind of money. Foulke hasnt been tested, and I am not totally confident in his ability. He is solid, but not the best choice. I could see Worrell going to Braves. I dont know why guys continue to go to that dying franchise. We should be a prime target - we got a very young and gifted pitching staff that is 6 deep. We also got one of the best young players in all of baseball -Cabrera. This team is going to be contending for the next several years...if we can keep stringing the money along somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Uh huh...right. Tell me, how is it you are going out on a limb with Benitez? The guy had a 2.96 ERA last season and 21 SVs. And he struck out 75 in 73IP. Do you think you are the only one with stat recognition, Capt.? Or perhaps, the only one who has read he is a possible target by the Marlins FO? Gee Capt Obvious, what exactly are you reporting here? What am I reporting? Nothing. What am I saying? That I am virtually the only one here that actually WANTS Benitez here, despite those pretty stats you mentioned. And when/if her performs well for the Florida Marlins, we will be right back in the same situation. I'll say I was the only one who wanted him here, it worked out, and I'm right. You'll say everyone wanted him (and nobody but me clearly does) and call me Captain Obvious. Go back in time. Look at some previous threads. You'll see just how obvious my statments were when they were stated. And tell me, why would you want a guy who melts in high pressure situations to be given the ball for your team? Because there virtually aren't any high-pressure situations in Florida. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJC Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 can we add Maels Rodriguez to our little fantasy list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Uh huh...right. Tell me, how is it you are going out on a limb with Benitez? The guy had a 2.96 ERA last season and 21 SVs. And he struck out 75 in 73IP. Do you think you are the only one with stat recognition, Capt.? Or perhaps, the only one who has read he is a possible target by the Marlins FO? Gee Capt Obvious, what exactly are you reporting here? What am I reporting? Nothing. What am I saying? That I am virtually the only one here that actually WANTS Benitez here, despite those pretty stats you mentioned. And when/if her performs well for the Florida Marlins, we will be right back in the same situation. I'll say I was the only one who wanted him here, it worked out, and I'm right. You'll say everyone wanted him (and nobody but me clearly does) and call me Captain Obvious. Go back in time. Look at some previous threads. You'll see just how obvious my statments were when they were stated. And tell me, why would you want a guy who melts in high pressure situations to be given the ball for your team? Because there virtually aren't any high-pressure situations in Florida.top 9th man on 2nd, 0 outs, Marlins up by 1 I DO NOT WANT BEINITEZ EVEN WARMING UP HE CHOKES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGonzalez11 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Say it with me....WE WANT FOULKE! If we're going to spend some decent $$ on a closer, we'd be much better off spending the extra 2-3 mil on Foulke than we would on getting Benitez. His stats may always look good, but he blows big games and will drive you crazy, just like Looper did. Foulke has/or will get a 4 or 5 year offer from Boston Why? Williamson did a pretty good job for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Say it with me....WE WANT FOULKE! If we're going to spend some decent $$ on a closer, we'd be much better off spending the extra 2-3 mil on Foulke than we would on getting Benitez. His stats may always look good, but he blows big games and will drive you crazy, just like Looper did. Foulke has/or will get a 4 or 5 year offer from Boston Why? Williamson did a pretty good job for them. he did? link yea i like the 6.20era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGonzalez11 Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Say it with me....WE WANT FOULKE! If we're going to spend some decent $$ on a closer, we'd be much better off spending the extra 2-3 mil on Foulke than we would on getting Benitez. His stats may always look good, but he blows big games and will drive you crazy, just like Looper did. Foulke has/or will get a 4 or 5 year offer from Boston Why? Williamson did a pretty good job for them. he did? link yea i like the 6.20era Did you happen to watch any of the playoffs? Aside from the Sierra HR, he was lights out. And yea, i like his 1.13 ERA, .075 WHIP and .115 BA in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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