August 11, 201511 yr Admin I get what ur debating here but Kike > Solano. Just saying Agreed. Then again you're probably better than Solano. But its like saying "Would you rather step in cat shit or dog shit?"
August 11, 201511 yr Agreed. Then again you're probably better than Solano Don't underestimate my ability to suck.
August 11, 201511 yr Author I mean Admin....are you saying the Marlins this year had no need for a player who could field nearly every position while OPS'ing over .850? I don't understand really.....say what you want about his future in the majors, but with those numbers Kike could have been a major contributor on this team. Even if he only played a limited role....its those type of players the Marlins are devoid of.
August 11, 201511 yr I mean Admin....are you saying the Marlins this year had no need for a player who could field nearly every position while OPS'ing over .850? I don't understand really.....say what you want about his future in the majors, but with those numbers Kike could have been a major contributor on this team. Even if he only played a limited role....its those type of players the Marlins are devoid of. I like kike too and think he's an above avg utility player (unlike solano who is beyond bad), but he's not going to keep up that 850 ops
August 11, 201511 yr I mean Admin....are you saying the Marlins this year had no need for a player who could field nearly every position while OPS'ing over .850? I don't understand really.....say what you want about his future in the majors, but with those numbers Kike could have been a major contributor on this team. Even if he only played a limited role....its those type of players the Marlins are devoid of. You're missing Admin's point.
August 11, 201511 yr Barnes will amount to nothing, same with Kike. If you want to be mad at that trade, I would look more at the fact they chose to send Heaney instead of Nicolino. BTW, LA wanted Nicolino mostly as I have said here before but then they "settled" for Heaney. Did we maybe have to toss in Barnes or Kike due to the fact we wanted to send Heaney instead? Its quite possible. Oh that's horse manure Admin. Given that our bench is one of the worst in baseball along with a worst in baseball team, but Barnes and Kike, who have the ability to play multiple positions and have produced high caliber OPS' in upper echelon's of the minor leagues are incredibly valuable to any team. Andrew Friedman knew that specifically and targeted them in a potential trade. He knew exactly what he was getting. Look, we wanted a second baseman because we were working with Donovan Solano and saw how much Dee could hit. The front office, from all rumors, valued Nicolino over Heaney (which never made sense and still doesn't). Friedman knew that Heaney's value was lower than it was previously and used it as a means to get some other legitimate prospects from the Marlins in the deal. It's wrong to say the Marlins were robbed in the trade given that Dee has produced far more for us at 2nd base than we've had at the position since Luis Castillo was here. I also don't think Barnes and Hernandez are deal breakers for a big impact player, but good GM's do whatever they can to hold onto undervalued minor league depth like them. The problem is down the line great starting pitching is always more valuable than good starting hitters. There's a solid chance of Heaney being a better pitcher down the line than Gordon a hitter, but for the now the trade is sort of a win/win. If at any point Barnes/Hernandez contribute significantly (which they already are and will in the future), this trade begins to favor the Dodgers a lot more. While Howie Kendrick hasn't been awful, I'm sure they wish now that they held onto Heaney instead. Anyway the trade in hindsight isn't awful. At the time it wasn't great, but it wasn't god awful. But to say Barnes and Kike aren't important players, ESPECIALLY since both guys would rank in the top 5 of Marlins prospects if they were still here today is just plain wrong Admin.
August 11, 201511 yr I wonder if the Dodgers were ever gonna keep Heaney or if they had always intended to flip him to the Angels.
August 11, 201511 yr Oh that's horse manure Admin. Given that our bench is one of the worst in baseball along with a worst in baseball team, but Barnes and Kike, who have the ability to play multiple positions and have produced high caliber OPS' in upper echelon's of the minor leagues are incredibly valuable to any team. Andrew Friedman knew that specifically and targeted them in a potential trade. He knew exactly what he was getting. Look, we wanted a second baseman because we were working with Donovan Solano and saw how much Dee could hit. The front office, from all rumors, valued Nicolino over Heaney (which never made sense and still doesn't). Friedman knew that Heaney's value was lower than it was previously and used it as a means to get some other legitimate prospects from the Marlins in the deal. It's wrong to say the Marlins were robbed in the trade given that Dee has produced far more for us at 2nd base than we've had at the position since Luis Castillo was here. I also don't think Barnes and Hernandez are deal breakers for a big impact player, but good GM's do whatever they can to hold onto undervalued minor league depth like them. The problem is down the line great starting pitching is always more valuable than good starting hitters. There's a solid chance of Heaney being a better pitcher down the line than Gordon a hitter, but for the now the trade is sort of a win/win. If at any point Barnes/Hernandez contribute significantly (which they already are and will in the future), this trade begins to favor the Dodgers a lot more. While Howie Kendrick hasn't been awful, I'm sure they wish now that they held onto Heaney instead. Anyway the trade in hindsight isn't awful. At the time it wasn't great, but it wasn't god awful. But to say Barnes and Kike aren't important players, ESPECIALLY since both guys would rank in the top 5 of Marlins prospects if they were still here today is just plain wrong Admin. Nice.
August 11, 201511 yr I like kike too and think he's an above avg utility player (unlike solano who is beyond bad), but he's not going to keep up that 850 ops He's 23 years old, has been playing professional ball since 2009, posted a near .900 OPS in AAA at age 22, and has already had this kind of success in the majors. I don't know if he's an .850 OPS guy year in and year out, but he's definitely got some real ability to hit that the Marlins completely undervalued after the Houston trade. He seems to be a more contact oriented Derek Dietrich kind of player, which is really valuable and a player who can OPS above .750 on a regular basis. Lets not just snub our noses at a 23 year old performing at a high level in the majors because we refuse to believe we traded on him far too early.
August 11, 201511 yr Author The ironic thing is Kike may have amounted to more for us than Cosart ever will.
August 11, 201511 yr The ironic thing is Kike may have amounted to more for us than Cosart ever will. The jury is still out on Cosart. Yeah he was brutal in his limited time this year and has had recurring vertigo, but he was solid last year (3.77 FIP) and is still only 25. There is still a possibility he could develop into a decent No. 3, and I'll take that over a utility player any day.
August 11, 201511 yr It's not about having an opinion, it's about backing it up. You say you think they won't amount to anything, but you don't say WHY? All the numbers in their minor and major league opportunities suggest that they're both at worst really top notch utility options on a good team, and at best potential starter options at catcher, 2nd base, or shortstop. You're allowed to think they'll amount to nothing, but there actually has to be substance in forming that opinion. I also still doubt the Dodgers "settled" for Heaney. They probably used the "we want Nicolino" talks as leverage to get the Marlins to value Heaney as less. It makes all the sense in the world for the Dodgers to get Miami to think they want Nicolino and take Heaney, the clearly better pitcher, off their hands for a greater return.
August 11, 201511 yr Author The jury is still out on Cosart. Yeah he was brutal in his limited time this year and has had recurring vertigo, but he was solid last year (3.77 FIP) and is still only 25. There is still a possibility he could develop into a decent No. 3, and I'll take that over a utility player any day. I agree.
August 11, 201511 yr It's not about having an opinion, it's about backing it up. You say you think they won't amount to anything, but you don't say WHY? All the numbers in their minor and major league opportunities suggest that they're both at worst really top notch utility options on a good team, and at best potential starter options at catcher, 2nd base, or shortstop. You're allowed to think they'll amount to nothing, but there actually has to be substance in forming that opinion. I don't have to back anything up master. My opinion is what I said it is. If you don't like it, that ain't my problem.
August 11, 201511 yr Its my opinion that I will never fornicate with the apple of my eye, Alison Brie. I don't have a specific set of reasons for this, but I feel confident that my opinion on that is correct anyhow.
August 11, 201511 yr I don't have to back anything up master. My opinion is what I said it is. If you don't like it, that ain't my problem. I hope dim goes to Safeway. Gets his groceries. Has a dandy time. In his merch you find some aloe. He pays for his merch. He goes home. He takes out the aloe and shines it up realllllly nice. He turns that sumbitch sideways and sticks it straight up his candy ass!!!!!!!! His anus was burned!
August 11, 201511 yr Wow... You sir need help. I got that from the rock. He is a current professional wrestler.
August 11, 201511 yr I hope dim goes to Safeway. Gets his groceries. Has a dandy time. In his merch you find some aloe. He pays for his merch. He goes home. He takes out the aloe and shines it up realllllly nice. He turns that sumbitch sideways and sticks it straight up his candy ass!!!!!!!! His anus was burned! This is my favorite new thing Vince. Good work, although I fear the day one will be written about me
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