Posted August 6, 20168 yr Sorry guys I don't remember who it was that posted a ESPN blub stating the possibility of MLB involvement. I thought I had copied it and placed it in another thread, but I can't find it. Either way now it is a twitter item. And I know I went overboard in making the last sentence distinguishable. But it PISSES ME OFF!! Doubt the Marlins will trade with them again. Saddened Cashner buries his beard; MLB looking into Padres trades | Fish Bytes http://miamiherald.typepad.com/fish_bytes/2016/08/saddened-cashner-buries-beard-mlb-looking-into-padres-trades.html … Saddened Cashner buries beard; MLB looking into Padres trades DENVER -- When Andrew Cashner says he literally buried his beard after shaving it off to conform to the Marlins' ban on facial hair, believe him. Cashner's father worked in the mortuary business and he used to help him dig the graves and mow the cemetery grass. "It's a sore subject still," Cashner said of having to shave his bushy beard after the Padres traded him to the Marlins. "I don't like it. But what can you do? I hate shaving. I think my beard is a part of me as a person and who I am." Cashner isn't the only Marlin who doesn't care for the team's facial hair policy, which was restored before the season after the rule was relaxed for a few years. Players have complained about it privately, but have no choice in the matter. A rule is a rule. Reliever Fernando Rodney was also forced to shave off his beard when he came over to the Marlins in an earlier trade with the Padres. Cashner said he was informed about the rule when owner Jeffrey Loria and president of baseball operations Michael Hill spoke to him by phone after the trade was made with San Diego. "When I talked to Michael Hill and Jeff Loria, they kind of told me I needed to shave it," Cashner said. "I hate it. But that's the rule here and that's what you've got to do." Cashner said shaving off a distinctive beard he wore for years wasn't pleasant. "I shaved it the next day," Cashner said. "It took a while. It's probably one of the saddest days I've ever had. It stinks, but what are you going to do?" Cashner didn't just wash the stubble down the sink. "I buried it," he said. The clean-shaven Cashner will be making his second start for the Marlins tonight when they face the Rockies at Coors Field. The Marlins obtained him as a two-month rental in their bid to reach the postseason. And, from the sounds of it, a rental Cashner will always be unless the Marlins relax their policy on facial hair. Cashner, who will be making his second start for the Marlins tonight, can become a free agent after the season. "That'll be the nice thing about free agency, kind of choose a place that (allows facial hair)," Cashner said. "It's a big deal to me." _________________ Major League Baseball is taking a look at the Colin Rea trade, which went up in flames when the pitcher suffered a season-ending arm injury in his very first start with the Marlins. According to ESPN's Buster Olney, the league is looking into whether the Padres failed to disclose an existing injury with Rea before trading him to the Marlins, along with Cashner. Olney's sources told him Rea informed the Marlins he was receiving treatment on the arm before the Padres traded him. After Rea's injury came to full light, the Marlins traded him back to the Padres for minor-league prospect Luis Castillo. Rea has since undergone Tommy John surgery. NOW according to ESPN Buster Olney: Padres drawing scrutiny after trades with Marlins, Red Sox play MLB investigating Padres' recent trades (1:43) ESPN's Pedro Gomez details the events that lead to Major League Baseball investigating how medical information was disclosed by the Padres in trades with the Marlins and Red Sox. (1:43) 11:45 AM ET Buster OlneyESPN Senior Writer Close Senior writer ESPN Magazine/ESPN.com Analyst/reporter ESPN television Author of "The Last Night of the Yankee Dynasty" Follow on Twitter Facebook Twitter Pinterest Email print comment Recent trades by the San Diego Padres are drawing scrutiny within the industry about whether the Padres properly shared relevant medical information in trades executed with the Boston Red Sox and Miami Marlins, according to league sources. Major League Baseball is aware of the concerns and reviewing the exchanges, though it is unclear whether the Padres face specific penalties or reprimand. The Marlins have received a remedy already, and the Red Sox are not seeking remedy or an alteration of their deal, sources say. Right-hander Colin Rea was returned to the San Diego Padres after he left his first start with the Miami Marlins because of injury. Steve Mitchell/USA TODAY Sports Sources said Padres executive Ron Fowler is aware of the MLB review. A team spokesperson said the organization has no comment at this time. The examination of the Padres' moves has led to a larger conversation about establishing clear and written protocol for what medical information MLB teams must disclose as they prepare trades. In July, the Red Sox swapped star pitching prospect Anderson Espinoza for Drew Pomeranz, a left-hander named to the National League All-Star team earlier this year. According to sources, the Red Sox have become aware of medical information with Pomeranz that they believe was not properly disclosed during trade talks. Teams are generally expected to reveal all necessary medical records as deals are executed to provide as complete a picture as possible for a team acquiring a player. Medical review of all players involved in any proposed deal is a standard part of the process. Last week, the Padres traded pitchers Colin Rea and Andrew Cashner to the Miami Marlins for a package of players that included prospect Luis Castillo. In the fourth inning of Rea's first start with the Marlins, he had to come out of the game because of an elbow problem, and according to sources, Rea informed the Marlins' staff that his discomfort dated to his time with the Padres and he had been previously treated. Sources said the Marlins maintain that they were not aware of this at the time the trade was executed. Two days later, with the Marlins angry about Rea's injury, he was returned to San Diego in a swap for Castillo. The Padres said Friday that Rea will have season-ending Tommy John surgery on his right elbow.
August 6, 20168 yr He may be joking but holy shit if he wouldn't go somewhere as a free agent because of a facial hair policy what an idiot. All things being equal if the Marlins (or even the Yankees) offered him the most money and he turned us down because of the policy then he's a fool.
August 6, 20168 yr As for the injury thing, fuck the Padres if they withheld information but as the article hints at, maybe it was information they weren't required to share and if so then that's not exactly their fault and the rules need to change there .
August 6, 20168 yr He may be joking but holy shit if he wouldn't go somewhere as a free agent because of a facial hair policy what an idiot. All things being equal if the Marlins (or even the Yankees) offered him the most money and he turned us down because of the policy then he's a fool. What's foolish is having a stupid, arbitrary policy requiring players to be clean-shaven. If a policy is going to prevent you from recruiting the best players and doesn't really add much, you drop it. I really hate how this franchise is run.
August 6, 20168 yr As for the injury thing, fuck the Padres if they withheld information but as the article hints at, maybe it was information they weren't required to share and if so then that's not exactly their fault and the rules need to change there . If the Padres broke the rules, then why did the Marlins suffer a penalty? A healthy Rea was certainly worth more than just Luis Castillo back. If the Padres did something wrong, then they should have to give up proper value for a healthy Rea.
August 6, 20168 yr What's foolish is having a stupid, arbitrary policy requiring players to be clean-shaven. If a policy is going to prevent you from recruiting the best players and doesn't really add much, you drop it. I really hate how this franchise is run. You wouldn't think Cashner was foolish if he was offered a larger sum of money from the Yankees and turned it down for less money from another team because of not being able to have a disgusting overgrown beard?
August 6, 20168 yr the clean shaven rule is idiotic and does NOTHING to help a team and only irritates players. on the flip side, it would be dumb to go elsewhere simply because you aren't allowed to grow facial hair. the easiest thing for all involved would just be to get rid of some bullshit antiquated facial hair policy as it literally has zero positive impact on a team.
August 6, 20168 yr Author If the Padres broke the rules, then why did the Marlins suffer a penalty? A healthy Rea was certainly worth more than just Luis Castillo back. If the Padres did something wrong, then they should have to give up proper value for a healthy Rea. I heard that if the Padres are in the wrong (at least he was on medication prior to leaving) then fines will be assessed as well as draft picks forfeited. Either way there is something smelling like dead fish when there are problems with not just the Marlins but the Red Sox.
August 6, 20168 yr He wouldn't turn down the Yankees because of their stupid facial hair policy, because...well..they're the Yankees. We're not the Yankees, dude. No. We're one of the laughingstocks of professional sports. The team can't GIVE away tickets and get decent crowds. Our owner is a miserly meddler who cares more about $$$ than winning. I shudder to think how much worse it would be as a Marlins fan if we hadn't won those 2 championships. Given that, yes, you can't afford to have stupid policies that might dissuade prospective talent (or fans for that matter).
August 6, 20168 yr I heard that if the Padres are in the wrong (at least he was on medication prior to leaving) then fines will be assessed as well as draft picks forfeited. Either way there is something smelling like dead fish when there are problems with not just the Marlins but the Red Sox. Yes that's well and good. But what about us? We wound up with a ridiculously lopsided trade of Cashner rental and Guerrero for Naylor, Capps and Cosart. Not even Mike Hill is stupid enough to make that trade. The fines/loss of draft picks might dissuade the Padres or another team from pulling the same stunt in the future but it doesn't make us whole. Now if MLB gave us the Padres next 2 1st round picks...
August 6, 20168 yr Author If the Padres broke the rules, then why did the Marlins suffer a penalty? A healthy Rea was certainly worth more than just Luis Castillo back. If the Padres did something wrong, then they should have to give up proper value for a healthy Rea. It stops them at looking at other trades that may have been considered. Not saying there were any, but once you are focused in thinking you found the best then you concentrate on it. Just like concentrating on a girlfriend or buying a house. But one of the differences is that there are time constraints. Not like you find a house you think is perfect, make an offer and waiting a while, then find it has black mold, and then go find another. Here you have a chance to find another house which fits your needs. There is a deadline on these trades.
August 6, 20168 yr the clean shaven rule is idiotic and does NOTHING to help a team and only irritates players. on the flip side, it would be dumb to go elsewhere simply because you aren't allowed to grow facial hair. the easiest thing for all involved would just be to get rid of some bullshit antiquated facial hair policy as it literally has zero positive impact on a team. I agree that it does nothing for the product on the field but I completely understand the rule. Cashner's beard is the type of facial hair that is why you have rules like that. That beard looked like he was trying to smuggle Chewbacca in his mouth. Regardless what everyone thinks it's completely unprofessional looking and its totally for marketing purposes. There is nothing nastier when I am watching a game on tv and a player spits and it looks like he leaves a raw oyster in his beard. With all that said, I feel as though there is a happy medium to it all. A nicely kept beard looks awesome (maybe i am bias because thats what I sport).
August 6, 20168 yr I agree that it does nothing for the product on the field but I completely understand the rule. Cashner's beard is the type of facial hair that is why you have rules like that. That beard looked like he was trying to smuggle Chewbacca in his mouth. Regardless what everyone thinks it's completely unprofessional looking and its totally for marketing purposes. There is nothing nastier when I am watching a game on tv and a player spits and it looks like he leaves a raw oyster in his beard. With all that said, I feel as though there is a happy medium to it all. A nicely kept beard looks awesome (maybe i am bias because thats what I sport). Marketing purposes? A distinctive trait (wild beard, long hair, Rollie Fingers 'stache, etc.) is more marketable than having everyone clean shaven. I prefer to see some sort of personality and for some people, they choose to express it in their facial hair designs and that's fine by me. One of the reasons I stopped following the NFL almost entirely is because Gooddell has stripped away most of the identity of the league in getting rid of endzone celebrations and generally punishing anyone who has an ounce of personality on the field.
August 6, 20168 yr He wouldn't turn down the Yankees because of their stupid facial hair policy, because...well..they're the Yankees. We're not the Yankees, dude. Oh god, I'm not talking Marlins & Yankees "because we're not the Yankees" I'm talking those two teams because they both have the facial hair policy. Imagine both the Marlins and Yankees offered him the same amount of money and say, the Rangers, offered him half of that, he'd choose the Yankees??? Fuck that. His comments today suggest he'd choose the Rangers.
August 6, 20168 yr The rule is weird but I agree with having a professional look to your team. It's not a thing about trying to be the Yankees it's about not looking like a disheveled bum when you're getting paid good money to represent a business and a city and sometimes a state. Yes I know it's just a game but this isn't a pick up game at the local park. These players become borderline celebrities. There is a way to carry yourself and too many players go overboard with this disgusting appearance crap.
August 7, 20168 yr Oh god, I'm not talking Marlins & Yankees "because we're not the Yankees" I'm talking those two teams because they both have the facial hair policy. Imagine both the Marlins and Yankees offered him the same amount of money and say, the Rangers, offered him half of that, he'd choose the Yankees??? Fuck that. His comments today suggest he'd choose the Rangers. I doubt he'd choose the Rangers over the Yankees. He's hating on the Marlins policy when he wouldn't hate on the Yankees policy because he just got traded to a franchise which is going nowhere fast and has no fans come out to watch their games. I'd be pissed to be traded here and forced to shave by some idiot owner.
August 7, 20168 yr I doubt he'd choose the Rangers over the Yankees. He's hating on the Marlins policy when he wouldn't hate on the Yankees policy because he just got traded to a franchise which is going nowhere fast and has no fans come out to watch their games. I'd be pissed to be traded here and forced to shave by some idiot owner. He's hating on the policy not the team. Nothing he has said says it's a Marlins problem. This has nothing to do with Loria. Cashner would hate it even if the beloved Yankees told him to shave. You're skewing this entire thing because you hate Loria and the Marlins policy but the Yankees have the same stupid policy and you're thinking Cashner would be ok shaving for them but not for us. Unbelievable.
August 7, 20168 yr He's hating on the policy not the team. Nothing he has said says it's a Marlins problem. This has nothing to do with Loria. Cashner would hate it even if the beloved Yankees told him to shave. You're skewing this entire thing because you hate Loria and the Marlins policy but the Yankees have the same stupid policy and you're thinking Cashner would be ok shaving for them but not for us. Unbelievable. You're damn right I'm hating on Loria. He's beyond defending, but for some reason you seem to have an instinct to defend the guy. The Yankees are the Yankees. They can come up with some arbitrary rule and get away with it because they are the marquee team in baseball. Maybe the marquee team in American professional sports. The Marlins are a fucking joke. They haven't been to the playoffs in 13 years, have an absolute tightwad turd for an owner, an imbecile for a GM and no fans. They haven't earned the right to copy the Yankees arbitrary rule. If Cashner got traded to the Yankees, you bet he's not blabbing to the press about burying his shorn facial hair. You can't really be so naive to think that Cashner is only "hating on the policy."
August 7, 20168 yr You're damn right I'm hating on Loria. He's beyond defending, but for some reason you seem to have an instinct to defend the guy. The Yankees are the Yankees. They can come up with some arbitrary rule and get away with it because they are the marquee team in baseball. Maybe the marquee team in American professional sports. The Marlins are a fucking joke. They haven't been to the playoffs in 13 years, a turd for an owner, an imbecile for a GM and no fans. They haven't earned the right to copy the Yankees arbitrary rule. If Cashner got traded to the Yankees, you bet he's not blabbing to the press about burying his shorn facial hair. I haven't once defended Loria in this debate. You're also now twisting this to have me defend what Cashner said. He never once spoke poorly about the Marlins. He said two things. Number one: he didn't like shaving his beard. Number two: whether or not he can keep a beard will have an influence on what team he signs with. Not once did he say this was about the Marlins being a joke. You're the one bringing your hatred of this organization into this. You're assuming he would be ok with the Yankees telling him to shave. On that I call bullshit because nothing he said points to that. But fuck it, there's not much point in this debate because of the way you're skewing it. Tomorrow it'll probably rain in your neighborhood and you'll tell your family that it's Loria's fault.
August 7, 20168 yr They haven't been to the playoffs in 13 years, have an absolute tightwad turd for an owner, an imbecile for a GM and no fans. No fans? Do you realize what forum you're on? How did you even get in here?
August 7, 20168 yr No fans? Do you realize what forum you're on? How did you even get in here? No one goes to games. TV attendance is not what it was. You rarely hear about the Marlins on sports talk radio. So there are a handful of people like you and me who go on this board to talk Marlins. Doesn't translate where it counts.
August 7, 20168 yr He may be joking but holy shit if he wouldn't go somewhere as a free agent because of a facial hair policy what an idiot. All things being equal if the Marlins (or even the Yankees) offered him the most money and he turned us down because of the policy then he's a fool. Look good..... Feel good...... Play good. Grow the beards back for a playoff chase. Sent from my iPhone using MarlinsBaseball.com mobile app
August 7, 20168 yr No one goes to games. TV attendance is not what it was. You rarely hear about the Marlins on sports talk radio. So there are a handful of people like you and me who go on this board to talk Marlins. Doesn't translate where it counts. With fans like you, who the fuck would admit to liking this team? Sent from my iPhone using MarlinsBaseball.com mobile app
August 7, 20168 yr Well, I don't worry about what people think, so I've never been ashamed to be a Marlins fan. I proudly wear Marlins gear even if I do get the occasional snide remark out in public.
August 7, 20168 yr When I tell people here I'm a Marlins fan, its usually "Why?" and then I'm told you're supposed to root for your home team. Who says?
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