It's has no roof, it doesn't have enough seats nor enough parking. The location is unworkable, the site is too small and you can kiss off Broward and PBC fans.

 

The Marlins go from being a tenant in one building to tenants in another. And because it's being built by the city it will cost 35% more than it has to.

 

This project is DOA.

35,000 - 40,000 is not enough?

 

It sounds like the perfect amount of seating for Baseball..

 

38,000 will be perfect in my opinion.It has no roof?The stadium will be roof ready for future considerations.Whatare you expecting?The city building a 500 million dollar stadium by the bay just because the team won World Series?Disregarding how bad the City is financially.The Marlins are only putting 10 mil up front and "137" million is future revenue.You shouldn't be complaining and this proposed deal is actually good for both side.

The stadium maxes out at 35,000, 10% smaller than the Marlins say they need in a facility that they would control and not have to share revenue from parking, concessions, etc. with anyone. Since the Marlins will remain a tenant, meaning they will have to share those revenue streams and lose out on other revenue sources completely. That is unless you think the neighbors who will gladly park cars in their yards will be willing to kick back 70% to the Fish (lol).

 

I'm not looking for a waterfront property I don't know where you got that from my post.

 

And then there's the roof, the key to season ticket sales. Being "roof-ready" is a joke, the single greatest cost in building a new stadium is the roof structure, not to mention the two years it would take to construct (meaning nowhere to play during that period).

 

I stick by what I said, this project, as offered by the city is DOA. I don't think Marlins will be sharing revenue wit hthe Canes.I'm sure the revenue made by the Marlins is for Marlins and vice versa.If indeed they wil sahre revenue then I don't see how UM will go along with this deal since they're the one who will be losing revenue.

Not with the Canes, with the city.

It's has no roof, it doesn't have enough seats nor enough parking. The location is unworkable, the site is too small and you can kiss off Broward and PBC fans.

 

The Marlins go from being a tenant in one building to tenants in another. And because it's being built by the city it will cost 35% more than it has to.

 

This project is DOA.

35,000 - 40,000 is not enough?

 

It sounds like the perfect amount of seating for Baseball..

 

38,000 will be perfect in my opinion.It has no roof?The stadium will be roof ready for future considerations.Whatare you expecting?The city building a 500 million dollar stadium by the bay just because the team won World Series?Disregarding how bad the City is financially.The Marlins are only putting 10 mil up front and "137" million is future revenue.You shouldn't be complaining and this proposed deal is actually good for both side.

The stadium maxes out at 35,000, 10% smaller than the Marlins say they need in a facility that they would control and not have to share revenue from parking, concessions, etc. with anyone. Since the Marlins will remain a tenant, meaning they will have to share those revenue streams and lose out on other revenue sources completely. That is unless you think the neighbors who will gladly park cars in their yards will be willing to kick back 70% to the Fish (lol).

 

I'm not looking for a waterfront property I don't know where you got that from my post.

 

And then there's the roof, the key to season ticket sales. Being "roof-ready" is a joke, the single greatest cost in building a new stadium is the roof structure, not to mention the two years it would take to construct (meaning nowhere to play during that period).

 

I stick by what I said, this project, as offered by the city is DOA. I don't think Marlins will be sharing revenue wit hthe Canes.I'm sure the revenue made by the Marlins is for Marlins and vice versa.If indeed they wil sahre revenue then I don't see how UM will go along with this deal since they're the one who will be losing revenue.

Not with the Canes, with the city. Yeah they will be sharing the 137 Mil the team will owe the City in deferred money.

I don't think Marlins will be sharing revenue wit hthe Canes.I'm sure the revenue made by the Marlins is for Marlins and vice versa.If indeed they wil sahre revenue then I don't see how UM will go along with this deal since they're the one who will be losing revenue.

They have no reason to share revenue with the Canes, we won't be playing in the Canes' stadium. If anything the only thing that would be shared would be suite money, but that is doubtful because the same suite would be sold to different people for the different sports most likely.

I'm not impressed really. This isn't a plan that is going to make the Marlins financially viable, and that is the goal. The location is poor and the proposal doesn't have a roof. Besides all that the design is hoaky looking.

 

If this stadium is the only option, then the Marlins would be better off having the County Commission help work out a deal to put a roof on PPL in exchange for a guaranteed better lease arrangement. The roof would benefit the Dolphins as well as the Marlins, plus make PPL more attractive for other off-season events.

Huh?Now that doesn't make sense. Makes more sense than building a boondoggle.

It's has no roof, it doesn't have enough seats nor enough parking. The location is unworkable, the site is too small and you can kiss off Broward and PBC fans.

 

The Marlins go from being a tenant in one building to tenants in another. And because it's being built by the city it will cost 35% more than it has to.

 

This project is DOA.

35,000 - 40,000 is not enough?

 

It sounds like the perfect amount of seating for Baseball..

 

38,000 will be perfect in my opinion.It has no roof?The stadium will be roof ready for future considerations.Whatare you expecting?The city building a 500 million dollar stadium by the bay just because the team won World Series?Disregarding how bad the City is financially.The Marlins are only putting 10 mil up front and "137" million is future revenue.You shouldn't be complaining and this proposed deal is actually good for both side.

The stadium maxes out at 35,000, 10% smaller than the Marlins say they need in a facility that they would control and not have to share revenue from parking, concessions, etc. with anyone. Since the Marlins will remain a tenant, meaning they will have to share those revenue streams and lose out on other revenue sources completely. That is unless you think the neighbors who will gladly park cars in their yards will be willing to kick back 70% to the Fish (lol).

 

I'm not looking for a waterfront property I don't know where you got that from my post.

 

And then there's the roof, the key to season ticket sales. Being "roof-ready" is a joke, the single greatest cost in building a new stadium is the roof structure, not to mention the two years it would take to construct (meaning nowhere to play during that period).

 

I stick by what I said, this project, as offered by the city is DOA. I don't think Marlins will be sharing revenue wit hthe Canes.I'm sure the revenue made by the Marlins is for Marlins and vice versa.If indeed they wil sahre revenue then I don't see how UM will go along with this deal since they're the one who will be losing revenue.

Not with the Canes, with the city. Yeah they will be sharing the 137 Mil the team will owe the City in deferred money.

They'll be sharing parking, food and concessions etc. Plus a piece of tickets sales.

It's has no roof, it doesn't have enough seats nor enough parking. The location is unworkable, the site is too small and you can kiss off Broward and PBC fans.

 

The Marlins go from being a tenant in one building to tenants in another. And because it's being built by the city it will cost 35% more than it has to.

 

This project is DOA.

35,000 - 40,000 is not enough?

 

It sounds like the perfect amount of seating for Baseball..

 

38,000 will be perfect in my opinion.It has no roof?The stadium will be roof ready for future considerations.Whatare you expecting?The city building a 500 million dollar stadium by the bay just because the team won World Series?Disregarding how bad the City is financially.The Marlins are only putting 10 mil up front and "137" million is future revenue.You shouldn't be complaining and this proposed deal is actually good for both side.

The stadium maxes out at 35,000, 10% smaller than the Marlins say they need in a facility that they would control and not have to share revenue from parking, concessions, etc. with anyone. Since the Marlins will remain a tenant, meaning they will have to share those revenue streams and lose out on other revenue sources completely. That is unless you think the neighbors who will gladly park cars in their yards will be willing to kick back 70% to the Fish (lol).

 

I'm not looking for a waterfront property I don't know where you got that from my post.

 

And then there's the roof, the key to season ticket sales. Being "roof-ready" is a joke, the single greatest cost in building a new stadium is the roof structure, not to mention the two years it would take to construct (meaning nowhere to play during that period).

 

I stick by what I said, this project, as offered by the city is DOA. I don't think Marlins will be sharing revenue wit hthe Canes.I'm sure the revenue made by the Marlins is for Marlins and vice versa.If indeed they wil sahre revenue then I don't see how UM will go along with this deal since they're the one who will be losing revenue.

Not with the Canes, with the city. Yeah they will be sharing the 137 Mil the team will owe the City in deferred money.

They'll be sharing parking, food and concessions etc. Plus a piece of tickets sales. Hmm. Sounds like the same raw deal they have at PPS today. :banghead

It seems to me that Marlins2003 is mad b/c he will have to drive more to get to the stadium. If you are a real fan you will drive. Im a fan of the Panthers and i drive 55 minutes up to Broward sometimes for the games. You should be happy for any proposal that will keep the marlins long term here in S. Fla. As for the parking, you are right, this location will not bring money from that but they will get more money from concessions and most importantly luxury boxes to get income which can be spent on improving the team.

They'll be sharing parking, food and concessions etc. Plus a piece of tickets sales.

 

Where have you read this? Why would they be sharing revenue? They are just paying the 137 million and that might come from future revenue but that would be for any stadium. Where have you read that they share additional revenue?

They'll be sharing parking, food and concessions etc. Plus a piece of tickets sales.

 

Where have you read this? Why would they be sharing revenue? They are just paying the 137 million and that might come from future revenue but that would be for any stadium. Where have you read that they share additional revenue? Thats just an assumption, based on the old OB plan where we would share the OB with the Canes. We won't be doing that. Our concessions will be our concessions, our parking will be our parking. Theirs will be theres. Same people, but during baseball it is our money and during football it is theres.

Thats just an assumption, based on the old OB plan where we would share the OB with the Canes. We won't be doing that. Our concessions will be our concessions, our parking will be our parking. Theirs will be theres. Same people, but during baseball it is our money and during football it is theres.

 

 

Thats what I thought.

also, in regards to parking, this is from the Sun-Sentinel:

 

 

 

 

Another major issue is parking, since the baseball stadium would take away what already are few parking spots for the football stadium. Dunn said he had not done a complete parking study and Arriola said a parking structure for 2,000 or more spaces could likely be built.

Thats just an assumption, based on the old OB plan where we would share the OB with the Canes. We won't be doing that. Our concessions will be our concessions, our parking will be our parking. Theirs will be theres. Same people, but during baseball it is our money and during football it is theres.

 

 

Thats what I thought.

How else do you expect to pay off the bonding that will be required to finance this project? The city will take a piece of everything to create an income stream capable of servicing the bond issue.

 

It's no different than the current PPS deal :thumbdown

It seems to me that Marlins2003 is mad b/c he will have to drive more to get to the stadium. If you are a real fan you will drive. Im a fan of the Panthers and i drive 55 minutes up to Broward sometimes for the games. You should be happy for any proposal that will keep the marlins long term here in S. Fla. As for the parking, you are right, this location will not bring money from that but they will get more money from concessions and most importantly luxury boxes to get income which can be spent on improving the team.

actually, he'll have to drive less. he lives in miami beach.

and for the record, i think this proposal is a bad idea for many of the same reasons stated above.

 

there is insufficient parking. the northern OB parking lot is actually converted into the baseball stadium, and if you look closely, the stadium is straddling the side of the street. nobody gets revenue from parking in the neighborhood except the homeowners.

 

it is much too small. a capacity of 35,000 would make this park the 2nd smallest in all of baseball.

 

it has no roof!! as marlins2003 correctly stated, being roof-ready means nothing.

 

the football OB is downgraded. 20,000 football seats are taken out and restoration money is redirected to accommodate an undersized baseball stadium on the north side.

 

they need more land to make this work. a similar proposal floated a few years ago had the city buying out homeowners in the land surrounding the stadium. the new proposal is cheaper but results in smaller stadiums and inadequate parking.

 

you guys aren't thinking of this long-term. this would be the PERMANENT home of the florida marlins. 20 years from now, they'll still be playing in this stadium. sure, it would be nice to have a baseball stadium to play in right now, but this is NOT the ideal stadium or location for the marlins long-term. you think we can just leave this $375 million monstrosity after 10 years?

It seems to me that Marlins2003 is mad b/c he will have to drive more to get to the stadium. If you are a real fan you will drive. Im a fan of the Panthers and i drive 55 minutes up to Broward sometimes for the games. You should be happy for any proposal that will keep the marlins long term here in S. Fla. As for the parking, you are right, this location will not bring money from that but they will get more money from concessions and most importantly luxury boxes to get income which can be spent on improving the team.

 

Actually the Orange Bowl is much much closer to where I live on Miami Beach. And as for being a "real" Marlins fan, we attended 52 games last season. How many did you attend?

 

My thinking on the OB site is based on what I believe is in the best interest of baseball in South Florida long term and that includes fans from Broward and PBC, not just me ten minutes away accross the causeway. Have you ever been to the OB? have you ever tried to get in and out of there for a game or find parking? The location is a joke.

 

There's nothing I'd like more than to be proved wrong on this but I think you can already see how the costs have escalated with the City involved. What the Marlins need more than anything is a well situated piece of land they can develop privately and mazimize their profitability (so pay pay off their debt and reinvest in the team) not a public/private partnership that leaves them a tenant once again.

It seems to me that Marlins2003 is mad b/c he will have to drive more to get to the stadium. If you are a real fan you will drive. Im a fan of the Panthers and i drive 55 minutes up to Broward sometimes for the games. You should be happy for any proposal that will keep the marlins long term here in S. Fla. As for the parking, you are right, this location will not bring money from that but they will get more money from concessions and most importantly luxury boxes to get income which can be spent on improving the team.

 

Actually the Orange Bowl is much much closer to where I live on Miami Beach. And as for being a "real" Marlins fan, we attended 52 games last season. How many did you attend?

 

My thinking on the OB site is based on what I believe is in the best interest of baseball in South Florida long term and that includes fans from Broward and PBC, not just me ten minutes away accross the causeway. Have you ever been to the OB? have you ever tried to get in and out of there for a game or find parking? The location is a joke.

 

There's nothing I'd like more than to be proved wrong on this but I think you can already see how the costs have escalated with the City involved. What the Marlins need more than anything is a well situated piece of land they can develop privately and mazimize their profitability (so pay pay off their debt and reinvest in the team) not a public/private partnership that leaves them a tenant once again. I agree completely, plus the stadium proposal seems awful tight to fit in the available space. But it is the only proposal on the table.

For those of you unhappy with this proposal. What else is on the table?

 

Ft Lauderdale stadium? That location is in the middle of nowhere with wharehouses and small offices around.

 

Sure, this plan has a lot of flaws, but the City of Miami wants to control the project. It is very political and I'm sadden to say this, buts that's the only way they could make some $$ magicaly dissapear.

 

The Marlins must negotiate this deal very carefuly. No cost overuns should ever flow back to the Marlins.

I just don't get where those of you who are against this are coming from. Sure, in the best of all possible worlds transportation, parking, revenue sharing, etc. would be better than in the OB proposal. But am I the only who feels that the Marlins have to have a home, NOW, or this team is gone? Are your memories that short? Anyone who was at opening day in 2002 remembers the sense of dejection and the certainty that this was going to be the last opening day for the Marlins, ever. Contraction didn't die; it just took a holiday. In a few years' time, it's gonna return. I'm not convinced that the Series win is gonna bring the fans. I'm not convinced that signing a marquee player is gonna bring fans. A stadium is the only thing that will keep the team here. I think the hard-core fans better have a more workable attitude or we're all gonna end up regretting it. :banghead

Over the past 10 years of going to the Orange Bowl for 'Canes games, I can say that getting out of there is an absolute nightmare. You're stuck in traffic for what seems like an eternity. Arriving to games you're forced to show up hours early to find parking, and EVEN THEN I always still end up in someone's front yard. Yes there are more people there for football games than there will be for Marlins games, but now we're talking about getting rid of some of the parking space when parking is already an issue? The whole area is not conducive to events. If this gets done they're going to have to do a major overhaul of the access roads in the area.

 

It also doesn't mention whether this $375 figure includes or does not include the money that is already being spent on the Orange Bowl renovations for the Canes. Because that money is going towards the football stadium as far as I know, not towards anything else.

I am not so sure how the parking situation will be improved. It seems they are planning to use the existing parking lot to build the fish's stadium... Is it so?

 

It looks like this is the only option that the City of Miami wants to think about. I am for it if it means keeping our team in South Florida.

Over the past 10 years of going to the Orange Bowl for 'Canes games, I can say that getting out of there is an absolute nightmare. You're stuck in traffic for what seems like an eternity. Arriving to games you're forced to show up hours early to find parking, and EVEN THEN I always still end up in someone's front yard. Yes there are more people there for football games than there will be for Marlins games, but now we're talking about getting rid of some of the parking space when parking is already an issue? The whole area is not conducive to events. If this gets done they're going to have to do a major overhaul of the access roads in the area.

 

It also doesn't mention whether this $375 figure includes or does not include the money that is already being spent on the Orange Bowl renovations for the Canes. Because that money is going towards the football stadium as far as I know, not towards anything else.

 

That was my thinking from the beginning, when the OB was just a fantasy location for the Fish. What's missing from this proposal are two things:

 

1. Direct access to 836 and 95.

 

2. A Large parking structure ringing the fields capable of parking 10-15,000 cars.

 

(and of course the roof)

1. Direct access to 836 and 95.

 

2. A Large parking structure ringing the fields capable of parking 10-15,000 cars.

 

(and of course the roof)

Bingo! I think that is the major set back here and I also think the Marlins will not accept this proposal for those same reasons...

For those of you unhappy with this proposal. What else is on the table?

that is exactly how the city of miami plans to get people to accept this garbage.

 

first they offer next to nothing (sharing the OB) to get everyone to lower their expectations.

 

then they offer this garbage, and people will start thinking it's worth it.

 

watch, in 2 weeks, they'll come back and offer this garbage with an additional nearby parking garage of sorts. that'll sell the idea of a two-headed stadium beast.

 

unfortunately, this is how negotiations go. any of you who consider this proposal to be a "good" one are just not seeing what is going on. i'm going to quote a user from that canes board, since his analogy is so appropriate in this discussion:

And as always, there's a Simpsons episode that applies to everyday life, even this issue.

 

Lisa wants to take the bus by herself to go to the museum. Marge tells her no, she's too young. Lisa calls Homer, he's not high on the idea either. She then tells him she could either take a limo (which would cost a lot of $$$) or take the bus. Homer "insists" that she takes the bus.

 

See, bus = bad idea. Limo = worse idea. Suddenly, the "bad" idea doesn't seem so "bad" in comparison.

do you really want the marlins to be stuck in a bad deal for the next few decades? "they won't get a stadium if we don't accept this" is not the correct answer.

The only problem I still is the parking but it could be solved by doing a four story parking.

 

It will be "roof ready" so they can worry about the roof in a few years.

We need to keep in sight that what the Marlins need to stay in South Florida is a financially viable situation.

 

Having a new stadium can accomplish this need only if done correctly. Having a $375M facility with inadequate parking and access will only lead to frustrated fans and will not result in sufficient attendance....or the financial security the team needs.

 

This plan in it's present form will leave the team cash strapped in a bad deal for 10 years. If you think the payroll is inadequate now......

 

The parking, access to major highways and roof need to be addressed to make this a viable option.

 

Otherwise, negotiating a better deal to stay in PPS would win hands down. This is not my preference, as I would love to see the Marlins in a home of their own. But it is better than the alternative being presented by the City of Miami. IMO