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I don't like it at all. It looks like an ugly rectangle box. IOW, another ugly Chase Field. I'll stick with the spaceship like design.

damn, you really got my hopes up. This really slammed them back to earth. It's an old pic.

Bacardi Park or Bacardi Field, I think, takes the cake. Maybe Bacardi Stadium, but I favor Bacardi Park. Burger King won't be too bad because I like their logo and it would look nice on the stadium even though its colors don't match the Marlins' (even though Bacardi or Publix doesn't either). But just think about how bad ass it would be if our new stadium is named Bacardi. The Bacardi family has a long history in Miami. It is a Cuban family and Cubans love baseball. It is so ideal, and not to mention, nothing says Miami more than Bacardi (can anyone say "Bartender, can I have a rum and coke" at the Bacardi bar in the new Marlins stadium watching Hanley CRIZUSH one?) The only problem is that I do not think MLB would allow a ballpark to be named after liquor.

I believe a few years ago this design surfaced because the Marlins wanted some sort of "hurricane proof" stadium and these renderings were part of those plans. They did not design it that way because they wanted to make it "hurricane proof". They designed it that way because they wanted it to look that way, period. One can make any design style (whether retro, contemporary, etc) hurricane proof. Btw, this new upcoming design will also have to be "hurricane proof" to meet the county's stringent hurricane code.

Seen these, this is the old model but this is what they are sticking too... Yeah, definitely the old one. But how do you know they are sticking to this? Or are you just speculating? Speculating on the design, but as far as the material they said they are sticking with the glass type look Well, they also said it's going to be similar to Minute Maid Park in Houston, so I don't think it's going to look like that. I'm sure you are talking about this statement: Samson added that the Marlins facility will more closely resemble Minute Maid Park in Houston than some of the other retractable-roofed stadiums, like the ones in Milwaukee and Arizona. When he stated that I think he meant in the context of the retractable-roof type, not how the stadium would look like. He said it would be more like Minute Maid instead of like Chase field or Miller Park. As you know, Minute Maid Park has more of an outdoor feel when the roof is open, where as both Chase Field and Miller Park have more of an enclosed feel even with the roof open. I think he just was trying to say the Marlins ballpark will have a feel of an open air ballpark like Minute Maid and unlike the enclosed feel like the one present in Miller Park and Chase Field.

Seen these, this is the old model but this is what they are sticking too... Yeah, definitely the old one. But how do you know they are sticking to this? Or are you just speculating?

A month prior to the 2000 season, the Marlins hired Dave Dombrowski as the third President in club history, making him both President and General Manager. After the hiring, the Marlins announced their funding plan for a new, state-of-the-art, retractable roof ballpark in Downtown Miami. The key component of the proposed plan was the establishment of an independent "trust", empowered to initiate a tax referendum. The legislation allowed the right of self-determination for the citizens of Miami-Dade County by assuring that the plan can only ((be implemented by the vote of the people.)) A month later the Marlins announced they would no longer pursue a Cruise Passenger Surcharge as part of their financing plan for a new ballpark after Florida Governor, Jeb Bush stated his opposition to the proposal Exactly. The decided that there needed to be a vote on that plan. But the plan was later dropped when Loria bought the team and put Samson as president. The vote was never done. You see, there simply never was any public vote. Jeb Bush opposed any public vote on cruise ship tax because he thought it was unconstitutional. Remember, the deal died on opening day of that year when Jeb came out in opposition. Remember? Again, there never was any public vote.

The vote i was referring to, was a NON-DECISIVE vote where the majority opposed putting the 60 million or so towards the stadium. You are mistaken. This never took place. Point to me to any reference that states this. The Marlins ballpark has always died in one place -- in the Florida legislature. There has never been any public referendum -- either decisive or non-decisive-- over a Marlins ballpark. It just never happened. Henry's deal fell through when Jeb Bush opposed any taxes on cruise ships to fund the ballpark.

Actually we have.Most people voted against a marlins stadium, but that was about four years ago.If Braman wins the lawsuit and the community votes, we likely aren't getting a stadium. You are mistaken. There has never been any public vote on any Marlins ballpark plan, EVER!!!! You are confused with something else; I'm not sure. But I am sure you are wrong here. There simply has never been any public vote on any Marlins ballpark plan.

The outter walls of the ballpark are just too plain. But guess it looks good being an amateur rendering and all.

I know it sounds petty and SHOULDN'T affect the stadium deal but 30 days from Feb. 21st is March 22nd. Today means we are 11 days away. If we don't have anything by then, the deal is OFF. NO QUESTIONS ASKED. I wouldn't go that far. These folks have already showed us that they are pros at extending deadlines, remember?

Where did the orange idea come from? When has it been mentioned that Loria prefers orange as a team color? I've heard it mentioned many times but am not sure where it originated from.

Does anyone have a pic of what the view would look like from homeplate looking out through the outfeild. Any type of skyline like Comerica or PNC? Here is a view from the Orange Bowl from, I think, 2005. There should be a good view of all those new buildings that have gone up since then. This was one of the reasons I was always against a Dolphin Stadium, Hialeah or Broward suburban ballpark. I wanted a ballpark with a good view of the downtown skyline. The OB may not be in the center of Downtown, but it does provide a good view of the beautiful Downtown skyline for both fans and national tv. This is something that the Dolphin Stadium site, Hialeah, nor suburban Broward could never provide.

That was the stadium design proposal for Bicentennial Park when John Henry was the owner. This pic is old as hell.

but that means the MLB negotiators back it? Yes, MLB is using it as leverage in the deal to get a ballpark for the Marlins. MLB will allow it if it gets the Marlins a ballpark.

I know the Dallas Cowboys don't play in Dallas. And the new england patriots play 30 miles from boston, and the 9ers are moving to freemont but will still be called San fran, etc... If you look at it that way, even though the meadowlands is in NJ, it is closer to the city (that everyone associates the team from) than many teams in the nfl are to their cities. The point is that these teams are named after the most important, famous city in their proximity(except the Patriots) even if they don't play within that city's boundaries. I do know in this case, if the deal is done with the city of Miami, the Marlins will then have to change their name to the Miami Marlins.

I know the Dallas Cowboys don't play in Dallas.

You are so correct about the Jets and Giants. What the hell is that all about? LOL

I'm in favor of the name change. I have always hated when teams are named after states and not the major city from where they are playing from. This is especially the case for my favorite team, the Marlins. Look at MLB. Only a handful of teams are named after states. For that matter, look at the rest of professional sports. The norm is to be named after cities and not the state. And I admit, I'm a Miami person and I want my favorite team to be named after my city (major city in south florida) just like the Dolphins and Heat. But that is just my preference. The name change will only occur if the ballpark is built inside Miami city limits. So for you guys hoping they don't change their name, start praying they go to Hialeah or anywhere else in South Florida. Otherwise, start practicing Miami Marlins in your head. ;-)

To clarify, I know it is a part of the deal because Mayor Diaz has confirmed it to me via e-mail recently.

Let me say it again. The name change is part of the deal. If this thing happens, the Marlins will change their name to the Miami Marlins.

Move out of Dade? I think move out of the State. It is the State's fault, not the County. So it will not help the Marlins a damn bit to just move to another part of this State. Wherever they go in the state they will still have to deal with the same Senate.

I cannot express enough of how angry I am. I hope to God that if this thing fails in the Senate again, MLB should just pick up and take the Marlins with them along with spring training baseball in the state. Screw the damn state if they refuse this rebate again.

What you say makes no sense. The problem is not Dade, but it is the state that is the problem. Wherever they go in the state they will still have the same problem. So why would they leave the county that is offering the most money? Dade is offering a lot more than at least any other county in South Florida. I'm sorry, but what that person you talked to told you just makes no sense. However, it would make sense if he stated they were looking to leave the state if it failed again this year.

I'm wondering if that price includes land cost or not. Remember, the 490 million excludes any land cost (the Marlins expect the land to be donated). But we all know the history of projects in Miami-Dade county coming in over budget. What ever the case, a ballpark can fit on at least 8 acrres.