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Look what the Cubbie fans have succumbed too after just one game. LOL

 

http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/mb/message.asp...g=84898.1&ctx=0

 

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I still see Choi having a great year. If Derreck looks as bad all season as he did against sub-par pitching like yesterday, we may have gotten the poor end of that deal. I heard he only had like 1 HR at Wrigley in like 60 ABs. Can someone look that up and verify?

 

I'm happy for Choi. I hope he progresses well over the next three years. Who knows, we might just go back and get him after Lee's contract is up.

 

 

 

Here are the indisputable facts on D.Lee:

-Has 1 HR in 57 AB's at Wrigley in his career. This covers 18 games played there.

 

-Has a .228 career average @ Wrigley.

 

And before all you Cub fans wet your pants screaming "that's because he was facing Woodie, Calfzilla, and Zamby" keep in mind that in 77 AB's in Pro Player Stadium, Lee hit 5 HR's.

 

Lee is a much better hitter outside of Wrigley (although he's not very good anywhere) and anyone that thinks he will hit 40 HR's this year just because he plays in Wrigley is living in la-la-land.

 

Lee's final #'s for 2004: 21 HR 69 RBI .254 154 K's

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I don't blame them for 2nd guessing. Choi was robbed of a spot by Baker last year. It's as simple as that. The guy has NO faith in young players and would prefer a mediocrety like Karros over a young stud like Choi. It made Choi expendable in their eyes and they dealt him.

 

The fish made a great deal getting HSC. He is the lefty power bat you guys were looking for(albeit, you still won a WS without it)

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lets hope this trade goes the marlins way just like other trades dempster, alfonseca and clement, mantei,etc. even though i wish the best for d lee

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Today he had this slick grab on a potential line drive which have without a doubt brought home two runners if he didn't catch it for the out. That big save right there on top of his huge offensive performance, we probably wouldn't have won the home opener without him. He definitely isn't a D-Lee quality defensive player, but he's still above average defensively and IMO we got the better end of the deal.

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just to play virtual GM, if they wanted to do a straight-up Lee for Choi trade, I'd do it in a second. They also forgot that Choi let two balls go down the line that Lee would have had, no question. I was Choi's biggest critic and he silenced me real fast today, but there are 161 more games to play...

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just to play virtual GM, if they wanted to do a straight-up Lee for Choi trade, I'd do it in a second. They also forgot that Choi let two balls go down the line that Lee would have had, no question. I was Choi's biggest critic and he silenced me real fast today, but there are 161 more games to play...

i agree that there were some plays down the line he could have made w/ an effort and would have made the game less interesting meaning that the expos probably wouldnt have gotten on the board or scored at most 2 runs.

 

~Le0

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just to play virtual GM, if they wanted to do a straight-up Lee for Choi trade, I'd do it in a second. They also forgot that Choi let two balls go down the line that Lee would have had, no question. I was Choi's biggest critic and he silenced me real fast today, but there are 161 more games to play...

Well, I think Lee might have gotten to one. However I do not think he would have gotten to the first one. The ball was hit too hard, Choi reacted as quickly as he could, and thanks to his height he got decently close. Not even enough time to take a step. Maybe DLee takes one step because of his quick reactions, however I don't think he would have gotten the ball unless he is eigth feet tall.

 

I think we have to remember that DLee was not superhuman. His defensive was best in the game, no doubts here. But the reason everyone thinks he gets to every ball is because he isn't here anymore. Just the same as Rob Nen is remembered as a terrifcly consistent closer, Alfonseca was a beast, Wilson never did a thing wrong on offense, etc. When people leave you tend to overemphasize things about them, and since we are all fans we tend to overemphasize in a positive light.

 

Choi isn't at DLee's level on defense yet. He will be, however. Mark that down and hold me to it, he will get there. When? I don't know. Soon though.

 

And IMO he has already passed DLee in offense. He was patient every at bat, plus he got an RBI when we needed it. One more than DLee had last year.

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just to play virtual GM, if they wanted to do a straight-up Lee for Choi trade, I'd do it in a second. They also forgot that Choi let two balls go down the line that Lee would have had, no question. I was Choi's biggest critic and he silenced me real fast today, but there are 161 more games to play...

Well, I think Lee might have gotten to one. However I do not think he would have gotten to the first one. The ball was hit too hard, Choi reacted as quickly as he could, and thanks to his height he got decently close. Not even enough time to take a step. Maybe DLee takes one step because of his quick reactions, however I don't think he would have gotten the ball unless he is eigth feet tall.

 

I think we have to remember that DLee was not superhuman. His defensive was best in the game, no doubts here. But the reason everyone thinks he gets to every ball is because he isn't here anymore. Just the same as Rob Nen is remembered as a terrifcly consistent closer, Alfonseca was a beast, Wilson never did a thing wrong on offense, etc. When people leave you tend to overemphasize things about them, and since we are all fans we tend to overemphasize in a positive light.

 

Choi isn't at DLee's level on defense yet. He will be, however. Mark that down and hold me to it, he will get there. When? I don't know. Soon though.

 

And IMO he has already passed DLee in offense. He was patient every at bat, plus he got an RBI when we needed it. One more than DLee had last year. I'm not putting Lee up on a pedistal, and there were times throughout his tenure I was ready to dump him all together, however, I'm just saying that his defense will be greatly missed by our pitchers and infielders. Choi has monster power when he connects, just like Lee, so I don't think there will be a huge dropoff, but the claim that Choi will be as good as Lee defensively is a little out there. I hope you're right though...

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when I was at the stadium yesterday the cincy/cubs game was on tv and when DLee struck out the place went wild...it was hilarious, personnel, sales people, customers, even the security guard was lovin' watching DLEE and his two strike outs.

I just don't understand this reaction. I get the animosity towards Pudge, but not towards Lee.

 

I hope both Choi and Lee have great seasons.

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when I was at the stadium yesterday the cincy/cubs game was on tv and when DLee struck out the place went wild...it was hilarious, personnel, sales people, customers, even the security guard was lovin' watching DLEE and his two strike outs.

I just don't understand this reaction. I get the animosity towards Pudge, but not towards Lee.

 

I hope both Choi and Lee have great seasons. I agree! Lee paid his due in Miami and I'm sad to see the person go, not so much the player.

 

Pudge deserves a beating but DLee deserves a standing O. I hope he has a great year.

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when I was at the stadium yesterday the cincy/cubs game was on tv and when DLee struck out the place went wild...it was hilarious, personnel, sales people, customers, even the security guard was lovin' watching DLEE and his two strike outs.

I just don't understand this reaction. I get the animosity towards Pudge, but not towards Lee.

 

I hope both Choi and Lee have great seasons. I agree! Lee paid his due in Miami and I'm sad to see the person go, not so much the player.

 

Pudge deserves a beating but DLee deserves a standing O. I hope he has a great year. Agreed 100%

 

Though I do want to see the Cubs suffer

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My dad did bring up a good point that Choi is lefty so he needs to reach across his body to get anything hit down the line while Lee doesnt.

 

But me and him did agree tho that he should have had the 2nd one that was hit to him. Because the first one was a rocket.

 

Of course Choi will never replace Lee as the defensive monster he was. But Choi isnt bad defensively from what I've read in scouting reports and articles.

 

Another thing is Choi needs to get used to the dirt and grass there as in most parks balls bounce a little different here and there.

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