i say we deal for renteria, send gonzo and a prostpect or two

that's not all that far fetched. It takes a lot of ifs, but here they are:

 

StL has to be 100% certain they cannot sign him long-term and 100% out of the race by the deadline.

 

We have to be 100% certain that we can resign him after the season ends.

 

We have to be willing to part with Gonzo and probably 2 blue chip prospects (something we're short of after the Conine and Urbina deals). My thinking is that Gonzo and Stokes won't be enough to get the Cardinals to bite and that much more (Hermida?) would be crippling to our farm system.

 

I want it to happen, but I don't see how it can... St louis is pretty short on OF talent, so maybe we coudl work, Gonzo and Nunez and a prospect, if you are serious about what you say Edmonds and Sanders isn't exactly "short" on OF talent, not to mention that Pujols is capable of being out there if they get a decent first baseman. Renteria is arguably the best SS in baseball now that ARod is a third baseman. No one combines his mix of power, high average and stellar defense, it'll take a lot more than Nunez and Gonzalez... yah i agree with you, i feel he will be dealt by the end of the season, just wont be to the marlins

ok we would need to throw in a major prospect for Renteria right now

 

I would think

Renteria's not going anywhere. The Kendall thing is a definite possibility though.

If Renteria is a Marlin once more I buy his jersey that second

Guys guys if a SS is going to be traded for it'll be Orlando Cabrera instead of Edgar. Its two fold in both money to resign him and what it would cost the team to acquire the player in term of prospects.

Renteria's not going anywhere. The Kendall thing is a definite possibility though.

I don't want Kendall.

 

His arm isn't all that spectacular and he's a really good #2 hitter, he has zero power, and taking Castro out of the lineup for him weakens our homerun potential. I'm far from advocating that we live and die by the longball, but Kendall has a career high of 14 HR's, he's good for about 8 HR's a year, and that was in Pitt, so you know those numbers would drop even more in Pro Player. Additionally, his contract is a freakin' albatross, starting next year, he's going to be averaging $10 million + for 3 years. If we couldn't justify giving that kind of money to Pudge, I think it's hypocritical to give it to Kendall...

if we got a pitcher along with him or they paid half his salary it would be worth it

Renteria's not going anywhere. The Kendall thing is a definite possibility though.

I don't want Kendall.

 

His arm isn't all that spectacular and he's a really good #2 hitter, he has zero power, and taking Castro out of the lineup for him weakens our homerun potential. I'm far from advocating that we live and die by the longball, but Kendall has a career high of 14 HR's, he's good for about 8 HR's a year, and that was in Pitt, so you know those numbers would drop even more in Pro Player. Additionally, his contract is a freakin' albatross, starting next year, he's going to be averaging $10 million + for 3 years. If we couldn't justify giving that kind of money to Pudge, I think it's hypocritical to give it to Kendall... of course if a deal were to be done Pittsburgh would have to eat a lot of his huge contract, and let's face it Castro's not gonna hit a lot of homeruns when he's hitting .150.

if we got a pitcher along with him or they paid half his salary it would be worth it

Kris Benson will also be available. We could make him our 5th starter and leave AJ in the pen for whole season.

Renteria's not going anywhere.? The Kendall thing is a definite possibility though.

I don't want Kendall.

 

His arm isn't all that spectacular and he's a really good #2 hitter, he has zero power, and taking Castro out of the lineup for him weakens our homerun potential. I'm far from advocating that we live and die by the longball, but Kendall has a career high of 14 HR's, he's good for about 8 HR's a year, and that was in Pitt, so you know those numbers would drop even more in Pro Player. Additionally, his contract is a freakin' albatross, starting next year, he's going to be averaging $10 million + for 3 years. If we couldn't justify giving that kind of money to Pudge, I think it's hypocritical to give it to Kendall... of course if a deal were to be done Pittsburgh would have to eat a lot of his huge contract, and let's face it Castro's not gonna hit a lot of homeruns when he's hitting .150. yeah, but Castro probably won't hit .150 for the whole year (at least I hope not). He's a streaky guy so I'm just waiting for him to get it going, but what it would cost us to get Kendall, both monetarily and prospect wise is a little much for a player who really doesn't have a place in our lineup. I mean you can't bat him 1 or 2 because Pierre and Castillo are both better than him, he may hit for a higher average than Cabrera or Lowell, but you won't move them down for him, same goes for Choi and Conine. I mean, in this lineup, I don't see him hitting anywhere other than 7 or 8, and his style of hitting isn't all that effective down there...

if we got a pitcher along with him or they paid half his salary it would be worth it

Kris Benson will also be available. We could make him our 5th starter and leave AJ in the pen for whole season. Benson is going to be auctioned off separately. He's a rental for the stretch run, so teams are going to be bidding high for him. The only way I see us being able to get both of them in the same deal is if we take on all of Kendall's salary, which is just impossible for us to do.

Renteria's not going anywhere.? The Kendall thing is a definite possibility though.

I don't want Kendall.

 

His arm isn't all that spectacular and he's a really good #2 hitter, he has zero power, and taking Castro out of the lineup for him weakens our homerun potential. I'm far from advocating that we live and die by the longball, but Kendall has a career high of 14 HR's, he's good for about 8 HR's a year, and that was in Pitt, so you know those numbers would drop even more in Pro Player. Additionally, his contract is a freakin' albatross, starting next year, he's going to be averaging $10 million + for 3 years. If we couldn't justify giving that kind of money to Pudge, I think it's hypocritical to give it to Kendall... You just describe Pudge without the arm... Kendall would look great in that 3 hole. The way he handles the bat would set the table for the big HR guys. The top three guys would be tough outs who would put the ball in play. IMO I think thats the problem right now too many guys like Gonzo and Ray who want to hit HRs every at bat.

First, St Louis doesn't need a rookie outfielder.

 

Second, Kris Benson is a classic underachiever. He's the last guy we want.

Renteria's not going anywhere.? The Kendall thing is a definite possibility though.

I don't want Kendall.

 

His arm isn't all that spectacular and he's a really good #2 hitter, he has zero power, and taking Castro out of the lineup for him weakens our homerun potential. I'm far from advocating that we live and die by the longball, but Kendall has a career high of 14 HR's, he's good for about 8 HR's a year, and that was in Pitt, so you know those numbers would drop even more in Pro Player. Additionally, his contract is a freakin' albatross, starting next year, he's going to be averaging $10 million + for 3 years. If we couldn't justify giving that kind of money to Pudge, I think it's hypocritical to give it to Kendall... You just describe Pudge without the arm... Kendall would look great in that 3 hole. The way he handles the bat would set the table for the big HR guys. The top three guys would be tough outs who would put the ball in play. IMO I think thats the problem right now too many guys like Gonzo and Ray who want to hit HRs every at bat. I don't know man, Pudge at least had the potential to take you deep on a bad pitch, he just was patient enough to take it the other way. Kendall on the other hand just slaps singles and doubles. I mean, sure you can play the opposite field game all you want, but you have to at least make teams think you can hit the homerun. I think that getting Kendall to be our 3 hole hitter would be a catastrophic mistake.

 

Think about it, Pudge got his opposite field hits because he wanted to, Kendall does it because he has to, there's a big difference there. I think the biggest tell tale sign of power potential altering a game is just looking at Pudge in the playoffs, he couldn't hit for power at all following the All-Star Game, yet teams still respected his ability to go yard and they only gave him balls he could hit the other way. If you don't guarantee yourself a power threat by the time you reach your third hitter, you're in for some trouble...

First, St Louis doesn't need a rookie outfielder.

 

Second, Kris Benson is a classic underachiever. He's the last guy we want.

better than DO and not a bad option if you're looking for a 5th starter, and would also give us another reliable arm in the pen by being able to keep AJ in the pen.

i want to get the OC. come this summer, the spos will be 20+ games out and will trade him for anything

 

for castro, we just need a catcher who can hit for a solid average and fit in well at the 7 hole

 

but i doubt well ever get kendall. do you really think a team building a new ballpark is gonna take on 10 mil +/3 years?

I wasnt thinking of Kris Benson.

OMGNUNEZ for OC

 

One cool nickname for another

 

Yeah I'm coocoo

I would send Oliver to the pen, recall Trevor Hutchinson and let him be the #5 starter, and send Bump to AAA.

IMO, we do not need a high priced catcher (even if the pirates pay sum) who lacks defensively. Kendall is on the downside of his career.

 

The guy i like Is Jason Larue (currently on the DL with a minor thumb injury). He is excellent at throwing guys out and can bat .250 with some pop in his bat. If the Reds fall off (with that pitching they probably will) he will be available for salary reasons. This year I think he makes around $2 million.

 

IMO, Kris Benson could thrive in a winning atmosphere.

im do u see my signiture? this guy needs to be starting games for us!!!!!!

 

and yes easley should be starting at SS that hitting is mad nice... if he can play everyday i think he has all star potential he was an all star before... and sea bass just cant hit anymore i critisized the move when we signed sea bass for the 2.5 mil.....

 

fux his glove i need some1 average at ss at defense and great in hitting and easley is the answer......

 

 

 

as 4 kendell...... ya pit is having a good year and nobody xpected this....... i think littlefield has playoffs in mind and to upgrade the team so 4get kendell.....

I know Willingham has some pop but isn't he only hitting like .230 in AA right now? There are concerns about his defense also. He is a catcher and neither Castro nor Redmond will be sent down. He is getting old for a prospect (about 28 now) so he needs an opportunity sometime.

yea Willy is struggling in the avg department but his obp is .373 and his slg is .532

 

and he is 25, not 28

yea Willy is struggling in the avg department but his obp is .373 and his slg is .532

 

and he is 25, not 28

i think the biggest problem he is jsut adjusting to catcher, got moved there so he is just learning the position.

 

here is a link about him, listed 9 for prospects

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0404/136831.html

yea Willy is struggling in the avg department but his obp is .373 and his slg is .532

 

and he is 25, not 28

But if he's batting .230 in triple A how do you think he'll do in the majors against real pitching? I would only call up a player from the minors if they were putting up Extraordinary numbers at the minor league level. Mainly because things will only get harder for them at the Major league level.