Rafael Palmeiro? No chance, why would he come here. He wants to finish his career over there with the Rangers. We wont get him and we are giving the D.Lee, they will never want him with the numbers he has put in his 2nd straight year. No chance....

Mark is thier 1B prospect to replace Rafi.

what we need is more wins, we dont need any stunts liek this

stunt?

 

this can only help the team

We have recently been playing against the chumps and slobs of the various divisions. The games leading up to the ASB will be telling for this team. Can we compete with the upper echelon teams? It will decide the fate of Lowell, Lee, Castillo, and Penny. I hope we can come out on top.

I DO agree with that...

 

Danny, this is not a stunt. Rafi is a good player and can provide offense. He will be an improvement to us in a playoff run offensively and he isn't that bad defensively.

 

Isn't that bad? He did win 4 gold-gloves...

Plus, it would most definately bring attendance up. Plus, once we had Raffy lure some fans out to the park, they would all start to discover the team IS winning, and they would start to CONSISTANTLY come out...

 

Do you actually have any idea if Raffy has more star power then Pudge? I can only think of one statistic to use and thats votes for the AS game. Pudge has had an average season at best so far, but leads catchers in voting. Why? Because he is one the most widely known names across both leagues.

And Pudge is not and never will be a bigger name than Rafiel Palmeiro.

Does somebody have my tissues because Tears are coming out of my eye's from all that laughter?!

 

Pudge is by far The Bigger name. Pudge has a substancial margin of over Rafi in AS voting and Rafi is in a bigger market.

 

Pudge also is known over The League as A Great Humanitarian.

 

So Please don't ever make that arguement that he is somehow bigger that Pudge.

Rafael Palmeiro? No chance, why would he come here. He wants to finish his career over there with the Rangers. We wont get him and we are giving the D.Lee, they will never want him with the numbers he has put in his 2nd straight year. No chance....

D-Lee would be a kid in a candy store at Arlington.

 

And it isn't Raffy's schoice whether he goes or stays. The Rangers can do as they please with him. And like Pudge, i don't tihnk he would mind playing in his home town...

Rafael Palmeiro? No chance, why would he come here. He wants to finish his career over there with the Rangers. We wont get him and we are giving the D.Lee, they will never want him with the numbers he has put in his 2nd straight year. No chance....

He does not have a no trade clause so it's not his choice. He is a local son. He has left Texas before to go to Baltimore and returned. They want the pitching Nunez would offer and to clean out payroll $$$$. $1.15 million saved would be nice for them right now.

im not going to say anymore.

 

"Ramp's ***crazy*** idea"

Another thought on D Lee for this coming road trip...He will bust out in a big way and be a leading offensive threat for us. How do I know this? He may be in a mini-slump now, but all of us saw the multitude of near miss homeruns that will most certainly be a few homers in these other parks.

Do you actually have any idea if Raffy has more star power then Pudge?

The point isn't how much star power he has. When the title in the news paper says, "Marlins get 500 HR club member through trade" than people are gonna come out.

 

But that is not my sole point. My point is, the team is winning right now. Once a guy like Raffy brings a lot more fans out for at least a week, it would draw attention to those fans that the team is winning. Than, they would consistantly come to the park not to see Raffy, because he doesn't have that kind of star power, but they will now come out to see the team win. Thia trade would just be to draw attention for a little bit to how well the team is doing. Once they catch onto that, they will keep coming.

Do you actually have any idea if Raffy has more star power then Pudge?

The point isn't how much star power he has. When the title in the news paper says, "Marlins get 500 HR club member through trade" than people are gonna come out.

 

But that is not my sole point. My point is, the team is winning right now. Once a guy like Raffy brings a lot more fans out for at least a week, it would draw attention to those fans that the team is winning. Than, they would consistantly come to the park not to see Raffy, because he doesn't have that kind of star power, but they will now come out to see the team win. Thia trade would just be to draw attention for a little bit to how well the team is doing. Once they catch onto that, they will keep coming. you are aware that after willis's 1 hitter, there wasnt a great increase in attendance

Wild Card Posted on Jun 23 2003, 9:04 PM

QUOTE (Shamrock @ Jun 23 2003, 9:58 PM)

Do you actually have any idea if Raffy has more star power then Pudge?

 

The point isn't how much star power he has. When the title in the news paper says, "Marlins get 500 HR club member through trade" than people are gonna come out.

 

But that is my sole point. My point is, the team is winning right now. Once a guy like Raffy brings a lot more fans out for at least a week, it would draw attention to those fans that the team is winning. Than, they would consistantly come to the park not to see Raffy, because he doesn't have that kind of star power, but they will now come out to see the team win. Thia trade would just be to draw attention for a little bit to how well the team is doing. Once they catch onto that, they will keep coming

 

 

We might just have to agree to disagree here because you give far more faith in the local fan in Miami then I do. They want winning and thats it. Period.

Wild Card Posted on Jun 23 2003, 9:04 PM

? QUOTE (Shamrock @ Jun 23 2003, 9:58 PM)

Do you actually have any idea if Raffy has more star power then Pudge??

 

The point isn't how much star power he has. When the title in the news paper says, "Marlins get 500 HR club member through trade" than people are gonna come out.

 

But that is my sole point. My point is, the team is winning right now. Once a guy like Raffy brings a lot more fans out for at least a week, it would draw attention to those fans that the team is winning. Than, they would consistantly come to the park not to see Raffy, because he doesn't have that kind of star power, but they will now come out to see the team win. Thia trade would just be to draw attention for a little bit to how well the team is doing. Once they catch onto that, they will keep coming

 

 

We might just have to agree to disagree here because you give far more faith in the local fan in Miami then I do. They want winning and thats it. Period. i agree

you are aware that after willis's 1 hitter, there wasnt a great increase in attendance

I think the anounced attendance at his start after that was 17,000, but it was that low because it was raining everywhere, which prevented people from coming out. And that crowd may have only been 17,000, but man were they loud and enthusiastic...

 

I am expecting BIG attendance at his next start, at home against Atlanta. We had two 24,000+ crowds at a series against them earlier this year, and I was at both games. I would expect something like that, especially if we're over . 500, in at that game...

Everyone thought that the Dodgers and Giants moving out west was crazy. Evryone thought the Wildcard, 5 year old expansion Marlins winning the World Series was crazy. This might be crazy enough to work. It is not a big risk and he is not bad defensively at 1B with the Gold Gloves. Lee doesn't have a gold glove right?

 

All-Star Votes for Pudge vs. Piazza, Lopez, Benito (Pudge is most popular catcher ever!)

 

All-Star Votes for 1B are Rafi vs. Giambi vs. Delgado vs. Olerud vs. Sweeny. Much more difficult competition considering his market (Texas) vs. Delgado's HR buzz and Giambi being in NY

And Pudge is not and never will be a bigger name than Rafiel Palmeiro.

No he isnt. Pudge is the bigger name. Pudge has more attention but not right now sincehe is doing bad and Rafi got 500....

I love Raffy's BB/K ratios, but Derrek has probably the best patience on the team. I just would rather stick it out with Lee knowing he's going to break out on this road trip and usually has a strong 2nd half.

We might just have to agree to disagree here because you give far more faith in the local fan in Miami then I do. They want winning and thats it. Period.

I think we are somewhat agreeing.

 

They will at first, maybe for a week or so, come out to see Raffy. After that, if the team was losing, than the attendance may go back to normal. BUT, because we are winning, the fans that went to those games will realize that we aren't losing, but we are really winning. Therefore, because Raffy had drawn them out those games and made them notice we were winning, they would KEEP comming.

 

They would start to go for a few games to see Raffy, but would keep going because the team is winning.

Pudge has more attention but not right now sincehe is doing bad and Rafi got 500....

That's the point. Because he got so much attention, if he was traded here, imagine how much more it would draw...

DLEE

 

BATTING STATISTICS

CAREER: BATTING | PITCHING | FIELDING

Season TM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS

1997 SD 22 54 9 14 3 0 1 4 9 24 0 0 .259 .365 .370 .735

1998 Fla 141 454 62 106 29 1 17 74 47 120 5 2 .233 .318 .414 .732

1999 Fla 70 218 21 45 9 1 5 20 17 70 2 1 .206 .263 .326 .589

2000 Fla 158 477 70 134 18 3 28 70 63 123 0 3 .281 .368 .507 .875

2001 Fla 158 561 83 158 37 4 21 75 50 126 4 2 .282 .346 .474 .820

2002 Fla 162 581 95 157 35 7 27 86 98 164 19 9 .270 .378 .494 .872

2003 Fla 77 268 42 69 16 0 13 35 46 59 14 2 .257 .373 .463 .836

Total -- 788 2613 382 683 147 16 112 364 330 686 44 19 .261 .349 .458 .807

 

FIELDING STATISTICS

CAREER: BATTING | PITCHING | FIELDING

YEAR TEAM POS GP GS INN TC PO A E DP FPCT RF ZR PB SB CS CS% CERA

1997 SD 1B 21 12 128 144 131 13 0 12 1.000 10.07 .862 -- -- -- -- --

1998 Fla 1B 132 114 1046 1073 951 114 8 116 .993 9.16 .853 -- -- -- -- --

1999 Fla 1B 66 54 499 511 463 45 3 44 .994 9.15 .876 -- -- -- -- --

2000 Fla 1B 147 123 1133 1213 1101 104 8 104 .993 9.57 .861 -- -- -- -- --

2001 Fla 1B 156 146 1309 1394 1271 115 8 142 .994 9.53 .868 -- -- -- -- --

2002 Fla 1B 162 161 1441 1445 1312 121 12 138 .992 8.95 .862 -- -- -- -- --

2003 Fla 1B 77 77 679 719 658 57 4 69 .994 9.47 .885 -- -- -- -- --

CAREER BY POS GP GS INN TC PO A E DP FPCT RF ZR PB SB CS CS% CERA

Total as 1B 761 687 6238.1 6499 5887 569 43 625 .993 9.31 .865 -- -- -- -- --

 

Just for fun, his pitching stats which do exist PITCHING STATISTICS

CAREER: BATTING | PITCHING | FIELDING

Season TM G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO W L SV HLD BLSV ERA

2000 Fla 1 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -- 0.00

 

MISCELLANEOUS PITCHING

Season TM W% #PIT TBF #P/PA #P/IP #P/GS K/9 K/BB AVG OBP SLG OPS

2000 Fla -- 6 0 -- � -- .00 .00 .000 .000 .000 .000

 

MISCELLANEOUS PITCHING

Season TM 2B 3B RBI SH SF IBB HB WP BK SB CS GIDP GB FB G/F

2000 Fla 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 --

 

 

Rafi

 

BATTING STATISTICS

CAREER: BATTING | FIELDING

Season TM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS

1986 ChC 22 73 9 18 4 0 3 12 4 6 1 1 .247 .295 .425 .720

1987 ChC 84 221 30 61 15 1 14 30 20 26 2 2 .276 .336 .543 .879

1988 ChC 152 580 75 178 41 5 8 53 38 34 12 2 .307 .349 .436 .785

1989 Tex 156 559 76 154 23 4 8 64 63 48 4 3 .275 .354 .374 .728

1990 Tex 154 598 72 191 35 6 14 89 40 59 3 3 .319 .361 .468 .829

1991 Tex 159 631 115 203 49 3 26 88 68 72 4 3 .322 .389 .532 .921

1992 Tex 159 608 84 163 27 4 22 85 72 83 2 3 .268 .352 .434 .786

1993 Tex 160 597 124 176 40 2 37 105 73 85 22 3 .295 .371 .554 .925

1994 Bal 111 436 82 139 32 0 23 76 54 63 7 3 .319 .392 .550 .942

1995 Bal 143 554 89 172 30 2 39 104 62 65 3 1 .310 .380 .583 .963

1996 Bal 162 626 110 181 40 2 39 142 95 96 8 0 .289 .381 .546 .927

1997 Bal 158 614 95 156 24 2 38 110 67 109 5 2 .254 .329 .485 .814

1998 Bal 162 619 98 183 36 1 43 121 79 91 11 7 .296 .379 .565 .944

1999 Tex 158 565 96 183 30 1 47 148 97 69 2 4 .324 .420 .630 1.050

2000 Tex 158 565 102 163 29 3 39 120 103 77 2 1 .288 .397 .558 .955

2001 Tex 160 600 98 164 33 0 47 123 101 90 1 1 .273 .381 .563 .944

2002 Tex 155 546 99 149 34 0 43 105 104 94 2 0 .273 .391 .571 .962

2003 Tex 68 238 44 63 12 0 15 43 44 32 1 0 .265 .385 .504 .889

Total -- 2481 9230 1498 2697 534 36 505 1618 1184 1199 92 39 .292 .374 .522 .896

 

FIELDING STATISTICS

CAREER: BATTING | FIELDING

YEAR TEAM POS GP GS INN TC PO A E DP FPCT RF ZR PB SB CS CS% CERA

1987 ChC 1B 18 -- 120 121 111 9 1 15 .992 9.00 .762 -- -- -- -- --

1987 ChC LF 46 -- 312 67 66 1 0 1 1.000 1.93 .835 -- -- -- -- --

1988 ChC 1B 5 -- 34 35 30 5 0 1 1.000 9.09 .833 -- -- -- -- --

1988 ChC CF 2 -- 2 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .00 .000 -- -- -- -- --

1988 ChC LF 145 -- 1237 295 285 5 5 1 .983 2.11 .869 -- -- -- -- --

1988 ChC RF 3 -- 15 3 2 1 0 0 1.000 1.80 .667 -- -- -- -- --

1989 Tex 1B 146 -- 1236 1300 1169 119 12 103 .991 9.38 .838 -- -- -- -- --

1990 Tex 1B 147 -- 1255 1312 1214 91 7 123 .995 9.35 .865 -- -- -- -- --

1991 Tex 1B 157 152 1366 1408 1303 93 12 119 .991 9.20 .866 -- -- -- -- --

1992 Tex 1B 156 154 1382 1400 1251 142 7 130 .995 9.07 .853 -- -- -- -- --

1993 Tex 1B 160 158 1395 1536 1388 143 5 135 .997 9.88 .887 -- -- -- -- --

1994 Bal 1B 111 110 976 1029 958 67 4 86 .996 9.45 .813 -- -- -- -- --

1995 Bal 1B 142 142 1238 1305 1178 123 4 120 .997 9.46 .882 -- -- -- -- --

1996 Bal 1B 159 159 1418 1507 1383 116 8 157 .995 9.51 .837 -- -- -- -- --

1997 Bal 1B 155 151 1356 1426 1303 113 10 126 .993 9.40 .877 -- -- -- -- --

1998 Bal 1B 159 158 1378 1567 1433 125 9 127 .994 10.17 .862 -- -- -- -- --

1999 Tex 1B 28 28 246 276 262 13 1 23 .996 10.05 .826 -- -- -- -- --

2000 Tex 1B 108 107 919 880 820 56 4 86 .995 8.58 .826 -- -- -- -- --

2001 Tex 1B 113 113 996 996 905 83 8 112 .992 8.93 .858 -- -- -- -- --

2002 Tex 1B 97 95 836 828 739 84 5 83 .994 8.86 .834 -- -- -- -- --

2003 Tex 1B 41 41 340 361 326 34 1 43 .997 9.51 .795 -- -- -- -- --

 

CAREER BY POS GP GS INN TC PO A E DP FPCT RF ZR PB SB CS CS% CERA

Total as 1B 1902 1568 16497.0 17287 15773 1416 98 1589 .994 9.38 .854 -- -- -- -- --

Total as LF 191 0 1549.2 362 351 6 5 2 .986 2.07 .863 -- -- -- -- --

Total as CF 2 0 2.0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .00 .000 -- -- -- -- --

Total as RF 3 0 15.0 3 2 1 0 0 1.000 1.80 .667 -- -- -- -- --

You also might be exaggerating the upgrade of Raffy over D Lee. If you switch those two guys and have Raffy hitting in PPS he might have 11HR's, but put Lee in Arlington and he has 20HRs. Batting averages are nearly similar and Lee plays phenominal defense. Raffy might be a slight upgrade if you factor in experience and plate discipline, but the bottom line is will he put us over the top? No. We need one or two more power arms in the bullpen. I think the pen is mostly adequate, but lacks the stuff to close out games on a consistant basis. Other then that almost all the other positions are fine if Cabs produces in LF.

Note that Raffy didn't hit 30 homers until his 8th season

Note that Raffy didn't hit 30 homers until his 8th season

DLee wont be here next season anyway...

 

and Raffy is a pull hitter, and would manage to do fine in the pro

You also might be exaggerating the upgrade of Raffy over D Lee. If you switch those two guys and have Raffy hitting in PPS he might have 11HR's, but put Lee in Arlington and he has 20HRs. Batting averages are nearly similar and Lee plays phenominal defense. Raffy might be a slight upgrade if you factor in experience and plate discipline, but the bottom line is will he put us over the top? No. We need one or two more power arms in the bullpen. I think the pen is mostly adequate, but lacks the stuff to close out games on a consistant basis. Other then that almost all the other positions are fine if Cabs produces in LF.

Well, D-Lee would no doubt perform better at Arlington than he does here, which might persuade them to make the deal. because Raffy is a clear pull hitter, he can probably put it out of the Pro no prob right down the line.

 

Plus, Raffy is a lefty. The big threat we lack. Raffy usually bats much higher than Lee and can hit the gaps at the pro for doubles better than he could at Arlington. Raffy walks more, K's less, is more clutch, and brings more fans out. We are going to trade Lee anyway, so why not get a HOFer out of it instead of a prospect?

 

Raffy might not be able to put us over the top, but damn close to it. He brings everything we need to the table offensively, and star power wise. if the pitching keeps pitching the way it has been, than Palmeiro could very possibly be exactly what we need.