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As Deadline Nears, O's Are Set to Deal

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Have you ever played baseball? Obviously not, because there is a difference when you are hitting with runners in scoring position and when there aren't runners on. Some people deal with pressure better and don't let it affect them, and some do let it affect them. So saying that clutch hitting doesn't exist is bull.

100% agreed.

 

Couldn't have said it better.

Did anybody hear wat i heard it said breaking news on marlins on deck but then it started to rain and minervini(or hutton and kasper) couldn't say the breaking news!

100% agreed.

 

Couldn't have said it better.

played baseball for 4 years of varsity at kings academy and won a state championship my senior season. right handed pitcher/1B

Does clutch hitting exist? That is, do some hitters hit better in the clutch than others or better in the clutch than they themselves normally hit? If a hitter bats .300 from the seventh inning on we might think he?s a great clutch hitter but he might be a .300 hitter all of the time, so his clutch performance is not really so extraordinary. If a hitter bats .400 from the seventh inning on we might think he?s a great clutch hitter but wonder why he does not hit .400 all the time if he can do so in the clutch. What would allow him to hit so much better in the clutch? Why would he do better when the pressure is on? Do some hitters do worse when the pressure is on, and if so, why? If a hitter is a good clutch hitter does it mean he simply maintains his normal level of performance in the clutch and does not wilt under pressure?

 

This paper was published in the November, 2000 issue of By the Numbers, the statistical newsletter of the Society for American Baseball Research (SABR

If a hitter is a good clutch hitter does it mean he simply maintains his normal level of performance in the clutch and does not wilt under pressure?

That would be my definition of a clutch hitter.

Again "clutch" hitting is a myth of the uninformed. Not trying to insult anyone there its just a strong opinion I have and statistics back this up big time. I dont appreciate your post capefish as i once respected you. Only thing I have to say is Lee's career OPS is better then Conine's. And his season OPS is better.

All I know is that Conine has batted more runs in for the Baltimore Orioles than Derrek Lee has for the Florida Marlins. Runs win games, Conine scores more runs, so we can win more games.

Does clutch hitting exist? That is, do some hitters hit better in the clutch than others or better in the clutch than they themselves normally hit?

Simple answer. YES.

This statement here (for anyone with a rudimentary understand in statistics) should give some of you doubters at least something to consider...

 

I posted a previous article on my clutch study; I have now re-done it,

with everything properly weighted. The basic conclusion didn't change;

I still don't have evidence that clutch hitters exist, and if they do,

they cannot be very important.

 

I have 245 player-seasons to work with: every player who had at least

250 AB in the late innings of close games before the year in question

(either 1991 or 1992), and was listed as a regular in the Great American

Baseball Stat Book in that year.

 

The correlation between past and current clutch performance is .01, with

a standard deviation of .07. In other words, there isn't a significant

ability in clutch hitting; if there were, the same players would be good

clutch hitters every year.

 

 

For those who arnt familiar with statisitics...standard deviation is the measure of spread around an average or mean. So if the number is high then values being used are very far apart in value. Correlation is easier to understand. All it means is the relationship between two variables. So a low correlation, which the guy in the study came up with, indicates there is a low probability that a clutch hitter one year will be clutch the next...a 10% chance actually. I welcome all reasonable arguments, but please no name calling or saying I havnt played baseball. Ill photograph my ring if I have to :plain

Shamrock---

 

the reason why we couldnt trade DLee to the O's for Conine at the end of the year....

 

Conine will be a 10 and 5 guy and will have a no trade clause.... he loves Baltimore and i dont see him leaving after this year

Simple answer. YES.

Although that answer has blown me away and im thinking of changing my mind...plese at least try and convince me :p

This statement here (for anyone with a rudimentary understand in statistics) should give some of you doubters at least something to consider...

 

I posted a previous article on my clutch study; I have now re-done it,

with everything properly weighted. The basic conclusion didn't change;

I still don't have evidence that clutch hitters exist, and if they do,

they cannot be very important.

 

I have 245 player-seasons to work with: every player who had at least

250 AB in the late innings of close games before the year in question

(either 1991 or 1992), and was listed as a regular in the Great American

Baseball Stat Book in that year.

 

The correlation between past and current clutch performance is .01, with

a standard deviation of .07. In other words, there isn't a significant

ability in clutch hitting; if there were, the same players would be good

clutch hitters every year.

 

 

For those who arnt familiar with statisitics...standard deviation is the measure of spread around an average or mean. So if the number is high then values being used are very far apart in value. Correlation is easier to understand. All it means is the relationship between two variables. So a low correlation, which the guy in the study came up with, indicates there is a low probability that a clutch hitter one year will be clutch the next...a 10% chance actually. I welcome all reasonable arguments, but please no name calling or saying I havnt played baseball. Ill photograph my ring if I have to :plain

Academia (your study) vs. Reality (Conine has more RBI and is a better hitter average wise than Lee when there are runners on the bases).

 

Can't Argue with reality.

Although that answer has blown me away and im thinking of changing my mind...plese at least try and convince me :p

Shamrock, open your eyes! You must be blind! If there are runners on the bases (with a good chence to be driven in for runs), Conine has a better average in those situations than Derrek Lee. You can't argue with those numbers.

is Lee the overall better player? most likely yes

 

will DLee be back next year? most likely no

 

will it hurt this team if we get Jeff Conine? no

 

will it help this team if Conine is paid for this year and maybe next? yes

 

is Ramp the man? most definitely

:p

Although that answer has blown me away and im thinking of changing my mind...plese at least try and convince me :p

Here's an example.

 

My last travel series:

 

Batting average: . 286

 

Batting average with RISP: . 349

 

 

There's a difference!

Shamrock, open your eyes! You must be blind! If there are runners on the bases (with a good chence to be driven in for runs), Conine has a better average in those situations than Derrek Lee. You can't argue with those numbers.

Well I thought my post was pretty clear, but I guess I didnt make a dent. Dont worry I give up.

Shamrock, Stats are kept for "clutch" situations. Look at the stats I posted before for Conine vs. Lee. Lee does better with no one on base than Conine, but Conine kills Lee with men on base.

If Conine comes in the deal and they cover most/all his salary, then the rest of our IF stays the same and maybe even Pudge will stay. Remember he has said a couple times this year he wouldn't mind staying with the Marlins.

if we get relief help(Kerry Ligtenberg) with Conine you must do it

 

if Conine is paid for(for this and next)... you should do it

Shamrock, Stats are kept for "clutch" situations. Look at the stats I posted before for Conine vs. Lee. Lee does better with no one on base than Conine, but Conine kills Lee with men on base.

My post stated clutch hitters change from year to year...they are never consistent...so why does a clutch hitter one year lose what he had from the previous year?

My post stated clutch hitters change from year to year...they are never consistent...so why does a clutch hitter one year lose what he had from the previous year?

You are ignorant. Conine is a much better player than Derrek Lee will ever be, OK! Conine performs, Lee has the possibility of performing. I want solid numbers and solid performances, and Lee doesn't cut it.

 

Conine > Lee

Ok, im going to try the Socratic method on you cape...First we need to start talking in terms of OPS and not batting avg. (and eventually not rbi's) We do this because OPS gives a higher weight to hits like homeruns and doulbles where batting average weighs all these things the same. Second it includes walks which gives an indication of a players playe discipline which is very important. Can we agree OPS is a more vaulauble stat to evaluate a hitter then batting average?

Not in times of RISP shamrock

You are ignorant. Conine is a much better player than Derrek Lee will ever be, OK!

from that statement there is no reason to even try and reason with you. You are beyond repair. Maybe ill try next time on someone with an open mind and some sense.

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