Read the first article, Shamrock. It says that the Orioles will have to take some of Jeff's salary from this year, and some or maybe all of it for next year.

if Conine is gonna be virtually FREE, this deal must be done

minus is right........

 

but I dont know if the trade is worth it.....

 

but another run producer would be nice

Minus is wrong. Hitting is hitting whether with RISP or not. Someone made the argument just THREE freakin days ago that Lee was one of our top hitters with RISP the last 3 years. But now hes jsut crap? Lee has a better OPS and hits in a pitchers park...his adjusted numbers of playing in even a neatral park would be 20 homers .280 . YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME INSANE!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Put him in Camden Yards or any other park, and he hits . 275, 37 HR's, 110 RBI, 20 SB, and a GG.

Put him him Coors he will hit 40 hr so your point is?He is not suited to play at Pro Player and he is not better offensive player.If you are batting .240 with runners in scoring position,you're far from being a good offensive player.

Lee is gone after the season, you guys are fooling yourselves if you believe otherwise. They can either:

 

1. Get a fair replacement for him at a bargain price for the next 2 years,

2. Play out the season, lose a 5 million dollar player and get nothing in return, or

3. Keep Derek at 7 million next year.

 

I do think Lee is a better overall player than Conine. The fact that he's younger is irrelevant though.

 

If the team keeps climbing the ladder you probably won't see any big trades anyway.

 

Under one scenario being discussed in the Conine/Lee talks, the Orioles would eat a prorated portion of Conine's $4.25 million salary and some or all of the $5 million he is owed beyond this season.

 

This is the key, and yes of course most of it is salary-related. They do still have to worry about keeping a competitive team on the field next year though.

minus is right........

 

but I dont know if the trade is worth it.....

 

but another run producer would be nice

Minus is wrong. Hitting is hitting whether with RISP or not. Someone made the argument just THREE freakin days ago that Lee was one of our top hitters with RISP the last 3 years. But now hes jsut crap? Lee has a better OPS and hits in a pitchers park...his adjusted numbers of playing in even a neatral park would be 20 homers .280 . YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME INSANE!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH No get off Dereck Lee bandwagon ................

Conine will help us win. He leads the O's in RBI's and they don't give him many opportunities.

Put him in Camden Yards or any other park, and he hits . 275, 37 HR's, 110 RBI, 20 SB, and a GG.

just like all the other players we trade..change of scenary will prob. help D. Lee..(preston)

Didnt see the last part of that article..thanks for pointing it out.....Dont you guys want to win the wild card THIS year? Why are we talking about a down-grade when we are making a run? I say this deal does not happen unless we fall out of the race before the deadline.

 

 

I know I proposed this before...but what if we gave Lee his 7 million in the off-season...or even traded him in the off-season...what stops us from getting Conine for Lee then?

They do still have to worry about keeping a competitive team on the field next year though.

And one with veteran leadership with Pudge leaving, so this would definately be the samrtest move. Like me and you have constantly explained.

 

Put him him Coors he will hit 40 hr so your point is?He is not suited to play at Pro Player and he is not better offensive player.If you are batting .240 with runners in scoring position,you're far from being a good offensive player.

 

Put him at Coors and he'll hit better with RISP, too! If he's in Coors, the ball hit to Center tha Anduw robbed from him is an easy HR, which makes his RISP go higher. And at Coors I wouldn't doubt Derrek hitting 50 HR's.

minus is right........

 

but I dont know if the trade is worth it.....

 

but another run producer would be nice

Minus is wrong. Hitting is hitting whether with RISP or not. Someone made the argument just THREE freakin days ago that Lee was one of our top hitters with RISP the last 3 years. But now hes jsut crap? Lee has a better OPS and hits in a pitchers park...his adjusted numbers of playing in even a neatral park would be 20 homers .280 . YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME INSANE!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH No get off Dereck Lee bandwagon ................ What the HELL are you talking about! I cant argue with you! Your %@!^@.

minus is right........

 

but I dont know if the trade is worth it.....

 

but another run producer would be nice

Minus is wrong. Hitting is hitting whether with RISP or not. Someone made the argument just THREE freakin days ago that Lee was one of our top hitters with RISP the last 3 years. But now hes jsut crap? Lee has a better OPS and hits in a pitchers park...his adjusted numbers of playing in even a neatral park would be 20 homers .280 . YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME INSANE!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH No get off Dereck Lee bandwagon ................ No, hes on the Billy Beane bandwagon

Didnt see the last part of that article..thanks for pointing it out.....Dont you guys want to win the wild card THIS year?? Why are we talking about a down-grade when we are making a run?? I say this deal does not happen unless we fall out of the race before the deadline.?

 

 

I know I proposed this before...but what if we gave Lee his 7 million in the off-season...or even traded him in the off-season...what stops us from getting Conine for Lee then?

Downgrade ? Only defensively but not offensively.Your blind if you think Dereck Lee is a better hitter.I'm sorry but get off Dereck Lee D*ck.

Um guys...we have no doubts that Conine will perform right? Because he was with us 4 years (1993-1997) and he did play at the Teal Monster formerly known as Joe Robbie Stadium and did pretty darn well. I happen to remember he was an all star and one of our best run producers.

Didnt see the last part of that article..thanks for pointing it out.....Dont you guys want to win the wild card THIS year? Why are we talking about a down-grade when we are making a run? I say this deal does not happen unless we fall out of the race before the deadline.

 

 

I know I proposed this before...but what if we gave Lee his 7 million in the off-season...or even traded him in the off-season...what stops us from getting Conine for Lee then?

I tihnk this deal would STILL help us win this year, increase revenue this and next year somewhat at least, AND give us a solid player AND flexibility AND veteran leadership NEXT season. It works out from almost ANY angle. Let's remember, Conine is a career . 300 hitter in PPS.

Um guys...we have no doubts that Conine will perform right? Because he was with us 4 years (1993-1997) and he did play at the Teal Monster formerly known as Joe Robbie Stadium and did pretty darn well. I happen to remember he was an all star and one of our best run producers.

He was THE All Star, MVP!

Conine can still flat out hit. And if he is going to be almost paid for completely over the next two years, this deal must be done, due to the positive intangibles coming from every aspect!

All you have to do is look at Lee's numbers on the road vs at home. He hates JRS.....

Didnt see the last part of that article..thanks for pointing it out.....Dont you guys want to win the wild card THIS year?? Why are we talking about a down-grade when we are making a run?? I say this deal does not happen unless we fall out of the race before the deadline.?

 

 

I know I proposed this before...but what if we gave Lee his 7 million in the off-season...or even traded him in the off-season...what stops us from getting Conine for Lee then?

Downgrade ? Only defensively but not offensively.Your blind if you think Dereck Lee is a better hitter.I'm sorry but get off Dereck Lee D*ck. Wow you are a moron. Lee has a better OPS then Conine in a pitchers park...what else is there to freaking compare? He is a better hitter right now and will only improve as this season goes on. And to set you straight juanky or whatever Ive never read moneyball.

Exactly. Imagine if he hit on the road every game... He'd have 26 HR's right now...

Didnt see the last part of that article..thanks for pointing it out.....Dont you guys want to win the wild card THIS year? Why are we talking about a down-grade when we are making a run? I say this deal does not happen unless we fall out of the race before the deadline.

 

 

I know I proposed this before...but what if we gave Lee his 7 million in the off-season...or even traded him in the off-season...what stops us from getting Conine for Lee then?

I tihnk this deal would STILL help us win this year, increase revenue this and next year somewhat at least, AND give us a solid player AND flexibility AND veteran leadership NEXT season. It works out from almost ANY angle. Let's remember, Conine is a career . 300 hitter in PPS. Thats fine...all im saying is if you want to WIN the WILD CARD this season this trade only hurts us. If you cant see that I cant make the point any simpler.

Wow you are a moron. Lee has a better OPS then Conine in a pitchers park...what else is there to freaking compare? He is a better hitter right now and will only improve as this season goes on. And to set you straight juanky or whatever Ive never read moneyball.

Lee is a better hitter! We all know, or should know. But I don't feel Conine is a downgrade, especially if he will be here the remander of this year and next year for virtually nothing.

See here is the thing, you guys look at the stats, but the stats that win games are RBI's. The runs batted in directly affect whether we win or not. Conine has more RBI's than Lee, and Conine doesn't get as many opportunities as Lee.

Thats fine...all im saying is if you want to WIN the WILD CARD this season this trade only hurts us. If you cant see that I cant make the point any simpler.

I don't think this trade would hurt us at all. But I don't think it would improve us, besides for the future and financially.

 

Which means we need to do it.

See here is the thing, you guys look at the stats, but the stats that win games are RBI's. The runs batted in directly affect whether we win or not. Conine has more RBI's than Lee, and Conine doesn't get as many opportunities as Lee.

Good point. :shifty :whistle