July 9, 200323 yr Dammit can they make the trade already!both benitez and conine trade!lee aint gonna be a marlins next year anyways! Lee can be traded for Conine in the off-season...we still have rights to Lee for 04....can anyone think of a reason the O's wouldnt do that?
July 9, 200323 yr Conine will improve our team becuase he is a team player. He won't care to be benched for a game to let the new kid who was called up try it at first. Conine is a very good guy to have.
July 9, 200323 yr Conine will improve our team becuase he is a team player. He won't care to be benched for a game to let the new kid who was called up try it at first. Conine is a very good guy to have. I agree, but if we want to contend for right now...Conine is a downgrade and thats why trade talks have died down since we've started to play well. Can anyone argue with that logically? Or are you just going to call me a billy beane head or riding lee's dick.
July 9, 200323 yr Lee can be traded for Conine in the off-season...we still have rights to Lee for 04....can anyone think of a reason the O's wouldnt do that? Who do you want up to bat if it determines if we are in the playoffs. Better yet, who do you want up to bat IN the playoffs, Lee or Conine?
July 9, 200323 yr Is there a way to find out lifetime BA while runners on scoring position? you could add up all the stats for the seasons and divide by the # of seasons.
July 9, 200323 yr I dont wanna get to ahead of myself right now, but assuming we got conine, where would he bat...in the 5th or 6th hole? 5th or 6th. Most likely 5th...
July 9, 200323 yr BTW here is the stat i'm trying to find, but it is official. Late Inning Pressure Situations (LIPS) The batter's batting average in Late Inning Pressure Situations, which is any at-bat in the seventh inning or later, with the batting team either leading by one run, tied, or has the potential tying run on base, at bat, or on deck. from MLB.com
July 9, 200323 yr Who do you want up to bat if it determines if we are in the playoffs. Better yet, who do you want up to bat IN the playoffs, Lee or Conine? Lee is a better hitter...so Lee.
July 9, 200323 yr And you guys know I dont believe in clutch hitting and theres many arguments to this affect. So maybe we should just all agree to disagree and enjoy the game today.
July 9, 200323 yr Lee is a better hitter...so Lee. You don't count. You don't believe in the word clutch... :lol
July 9, 200323 yr lifetime BA .262 better than .288 It's a home game in PPS. Conine has a . 300 career average there...
July 9, 200323 yr Nope! :lol The closest thing to clutch is LIPS...Late Inning Pressure Situation Batting Average.
July 9, 200323 yr Here is some more expanded info.... Conine, Jeff from Stats, Inc. Runners and Outs Split AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS TBB K GDP OBP SLG None on .291 - 151 - 44 11 1 6 6 0 0 9 19 0 .335 .497 Runners on .293 - 184 - 54 13 1 6 57 4 0 21 24 7 .360 .473 Scoring Posn .319 - 113 - 36 10 1 4 53 0 0 17 11 5 .396 .531 None on/out .325 - 80 - 26 9 1 4 4 0 0 4 9 0 .357 .613 Close & Late .236 - 55 - 13 4 0 1 8 0 0 3 8 1 .276 .364 ScPos/2 Out .259 - 54 - 14 2 0 2 21 0 0 11 7 0 .394 .407 Inning 1-6 .310 84 226 41 70 18 1 10 42 3 0 23 27 5 .374 .531 Inning 7+ .257 80 109 12 28 6 1 2 21 1 0 7 16 2 .297 .385 Lee, Derrek from Stats, Inc. Runners and Outs Split AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS TBB K GDP OBP SLG None on .260 - 181 - 47 10 0 10 10 0 0 25 39 0 .359 .481 Runners on .261 - 142 - 37 8 1 7 39 14 4 29 35 8 .386 .479 Scoring Posn .261 - 88 - 23 5 1 3 31 4 1 25 19 3 .424 .443 None on/out .333 - 78 - 26 5 0 4 4 0 0 6 19 0 .388 .551 Close & Late .188 - 48 - 9 2 0 0 1 3 1 12 17 0 .350 .229 ScPos/2 Out .214 - 42 - 9 3 1 1 12 1 0 14 8 0 .421 .405 Inning 1-6 .276 91 214 34 59 13 1 12 38 10 2 36 46 7 .385 .514 Inning 7+ .229 87 109 14 25 5 0 5 11 4 2 18 28 1 .344 .413
July 9, 200323 yr The closest thing to clutch is LIPS...Late Inning Pressure Situation Batting Average. so what is Lee's LIPS???
July 9, 200323 yr Here is Lee's LIPS Close & Late .188 - 48 - 9 2 0 0 1 3 1 12 17 0 .350 .229 Here is Conine's LIPS Close & Late .236 - 55 - 13 4 0 1 8 0 0 3 8 1 .276 .364
July 9, 200323 yr This is such a small sample of AB's...try doing a comparison with 3 years worth of AB's. You also dont adjust for park factors or the fact that hes facing AL pitching. And he gets to face the Red Sox bullpen so much! :lol
July 9, 200323 yr I'm sure if we throw in a couple of players such as Blaine Neal and another prospect they will at least pay part of Conine's salary. If we can't get a reliever in the Conine deal than I don't think we should do it, though. Also, something we have to think about, I think we need a player with playoff experience. The only one we have is Pudge and his experience is only a handful of games. I think we need at least one player with playoff experience, because playoff baseball is a lot different from regular season baseball.
July 9, 200323 yr The Orioles and Florida Marlins are discussing a deal that would send the 37-year-old Conine to his former team for first baseman Derrek Lee, a gifted 27-year-old slugger whose left-handed power stroke would be a suitable fit at Camden Yards. i think the O's are talking bout Travis Lee from the D-Rays and we all think it Derrek Lee from the Fish ... :confused :whistle
July 9, 200323 yr This is such a small sample of AB's...try doing a comparison with 3 years worth of AB's. You also dont adjust for park factors or the fact that hes facing AL pitching. And he gets to face the Red Sox bullpen so much! :lol Face it, Conine is better than Lee. Here has the better average and RBI total. Lee doesn't, stop making excuses. Conine has the BoSox pen, but Lee has the Brewers, Mets, Cards, and other bad pens. Admit that you're wrong.
July 9, 200323 yr The Orioles and Florida Marlins are discussing a deal that would send the 37-year-old Conine to his former team for first baseman Derrek Lee, a gifted 27-year-old slugger whose left-handed power stroke would be a suitable fit at Camden Yards. i think the O's are talking bout Travis Lee from the D-Rays and we all think it Derrek Lee from the Fish ... :confused :whistle That's why you're not paid to think...
July 9, 200323 yr Face it, Conine is better than Lee. Here has the better average and RBI total. Lee doesn't, stop making excuses. Conine has the BoSox pen, but Lee has the Brewers, Mets, Cards, and other bad pens. Admit that you're wrong. very tru... even tho i like Lee i have to go with u there..
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