I hope fish fry isnt saying that communism and atheism arent related, when Marx himself often wrote about the evils of religion and how it must not exist in a communist state.

 

Atheism has nothing to do with communism. Communism is an economic system founded by a man who was a staunch atheist. Communism itself is no more atheist than capitalism would be if Adam Smith was an atheist. His own biases aside, a communist state could still be run with religion in place just like a feudal system could be run without religion. BTW, Marx wasn't the founder of communism. I figured you would've known that with your poli-sci degree.

which lots of things do i relate with communism that have nothing to do with it?

 

 

Just last week, you related the imperialist overtones of the movie "Hero" with communism; when it had nothing to do with it.

which lots of things do i relate with communism that have nothing to do with it?

 

 

Just last week, you related the imperialist overtones of the movie "Hero" with communism; when it had nothing to do with it.

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it having nothing to do with it is just your opinion.

 

to me the movie being produced in a communist empire and it deffending imperialism have a lot to do.

 

and you claim that i relate lots of things to communism. where are the other many things at?

it having nothing to do with it is just your opinion.

 

to me the movie being produced in a communist empire and it deffending imperialism have a lot to do.

 

and you claim that i relate lots of things to communism. where are the other many things at?

 

What does imperialism have to do with communism? You still haven't answered that question.

 

And you're right. I misspoke. You don't relate lots of things to communism. What I mean to say was, you make illogical leaps to associate things that aren't really related - like evolution and atheism and communism and imperialism.

using the logic of some, almost anything can be brainwashed into our minds.

 

 

like that the united states is the best nation ever to exist. that to bleed red, white and blue is to belong to the greatest land of peoples ever.

 

 

the simple fact is that to simply say that religion=brainwashing is a simplistic, idiotic statement. Do religions do some brainwashing? Sure if you are weak and unable to think for yourself. But that happens everyday in society, religion does not have carte blanche over brainwashing. You need to divuldge a little deeper to fully understand the reasons for things being done, to understand this thing called 'faith'

when have i related evolution and atheism?

 

communism and imperialism have not much to do with each other in general, but they do in the context of china.

when have i related evolution and atheism?

 

You were the one in the "Intelligent Design" thread who countered Lcyberlina's view that the ACLU was defending us from Christian fundamentalism by suing to keep creationism out of classrooms with the following: "how? by teaching atheist fundamentalism."

 

communism and imperialism have not much to do with each other in general, but they do in the context of china.

 

 

China was one big imperialist nation before the communists came along. You might as well call "Touched by an Angel" feudalist propaganda since Christianity thrived under the feudalist system for hundreds of years.

yes, but the movie wasn't made under the feudal empire.

 

and yes, i replied that, but you are the one reading it as me saying evolution is atheist fundamentalism, which in no way is what was meant by my reply. of course, you are always going to read it as is more advantageous to you.

I hope fish fry isnt saying that communism and atheism arent related, when Marx himself often wrote about the evils of religion and how it must not exist in a communist state.

 

Atheism has nothing to do with communism. Communism is an economic system founded by a man who was a staunch atheist. Communism itself is no more atheist than capitalism would be if Adam Smith was an atheist. His own biases aside, a communist state could still be run with religion in place just like a feudal system could be run without religion. BTW, Marx wasn't the founder of communism. I figured you would've known that with your poli-sci degree.

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Sorry fish but Marx was the founder of communism. True that Castroism uses the economic practices of Mao and not Marx. Marx was the one that combined hegelian dialectics with other running beliefs to create the communist ideology of today. i hate that communism and marxism arent the same thing garbage. Because they are. Marxist-Leninism is not the same as Marxism. But anyway Communism is not an economic system, it is a state system just like liberalism. Communism includes a socialist positive state economically (mostly leninism not true marxism) and in its pure form what it does is eliminate the class system. To eliminate the class system one must do away with things that seperate us from each other, wealth, race, and religion. With religion you cannot have communism. I find it funny how the ignorant of the world believe that communism and capitalism are opposites as a whole. This is a fallacy. the communist economic system is an opposite of capitalism, but capitalism is no more than an economic system and only when added with the negative state concept as liberalism is it truly an opposing system to communism.

which lots of things do i relate with communism that have nothing to do with it?

 

 

Just last week, you related the imperialist overtones of the movie "Hero" with communism; when it had nothing to do with it.

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And what if I saw the same thing?

you know the big bang is just a theory also right?

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What seems like more reliable theory the Big Bang or Creationism, atleast one has some data to rely the thoery on, unlike Creationalism

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Creationism says an all-powerful God that has been there forever created what you see as the universe.

 

The Big Bang still fails to tell us where the stuff that "banged" came from, and therefore I won't believe it until I get an explination of what created whatever it was that "blew up" in the big bang.

which lots of things do i relate with communism that have nothing to do with it?

 

 

Just last week, you related the imperialist overtones of the movie "Hero" with communism; when it had nothing to do with it.

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And what if I saw the same thing?

 

Then you're just as off your rocker.

you know the big bang is just a theory also right?

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What seems like more reliable theory the Big Bang or Creationism, atleast one has some data to rely the thoery on, unlike Creationalism

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Creationism says an all-powerful God that has been there forever created what you see as the universe.

 

The Big Bang still fails to tell us where the stuff that "banged" came from, and therefore I won't believe it until I get an explination of what created whatever it was that "blew up" in the big bang.

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So you won't believe in the Big Bang theory because you don't know where it came from, although you believe in god when you don't know how he came to be?

that's the thing, he didn't come to be. he was always there.

Flasportsfan88 is a tool.

 

IMO.

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Your still believing things that were ment to be believed 2000 years ago, with no grip on reality or pressent day science, every day science proves it wrong but no one ever cares. If it werent pounded into your head as a child you wouldnt believe it. If you were put on the earth with the knowledge of a 21 year old, and someone tried to tell you theres a god up there the watched everything you do, and will answer your prayers half the time you ask for, them you'd say get out of my face thats bullshi*, hence the theory its brainwashing, watch George Carlin for an hour.

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but isnt watching George Carlin a form of brainwashing also?

 

 

using your logic that is.

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LOL...so George Carlin, a man whose line of work requires nothing more than to look stupid on a daily basis, his comments cement your foundation for calling religion brainwashing

Flasportsfan88 is a tool.

 

IMO.

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Your still believing things that were ment to be believed 2000 years ago, with no grip on reality or pressent day science, every day science proves it wrong but no one ever cares. If it werent pounded into your head as a child you wouldnt believe it. If you were put on the earth with the knowledge of a 21 year old, and someone tried to tell you theres a god up there the watched everything you do, and will answer your prayers half the time you ask for, them you'd say get out of my face thats bullshi*, hence the theory its brainwashing, watch George Carlin for an hour.

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but isnt watching George Carlin a form of brainwashing also?

 

 

using your logic that is.

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LOL...so George Carlin, a man whose line of work requires nothing more than to look stupid on a daily basis, his comments cement your foundation for calling religion brainwashing

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No I use my own comments to cement my foundation, i use George Carlins for entertainment, i just said listen to George Carlin, he actually can make some points that make you scratch your head and think "this that does sound really stupid". But I wasnt basing my theory on him.

Flasportsfan88 is a tool.

 

IMO.

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Your still believing things that were ment to be believed 2000 years ago, with no grip on reality or pressent day science, every day science proves it wrong but no one ever cares. If it werent pounded into your head as a child you wouldnt believe it. If you were put on the earth with the knowledge of a 21 year old, and someone tried to tell you theres a god up there the watched everything you do, and will answer your prayers half the time you ask for, them you'd say get out of my face thats bullshi*, hence the theory its brainwashing, watch George Carlin for an hour.

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but isnt watching George Carlin a form of brainwashing also?

 

 

using your logic that is.

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LOL...so George Carlin, a man whose line of work requires nothing more than to look stupid on a daily basis, his comments cement your foundation for calling religion brainwashing

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No I use my own comments to cement my foundation, i use George Carlins for entertainment, i just said listen to George Carlin, he actually can make some points that make you scratch your head and think "this that does sound really stupid". But I wasnt basing my theory on him.

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The problem is blanket statements are usually stupid. Religion is brainwashing means that religion is always brainwashing, which is false. A better argument can be that often times people are brainwashed by religious leaders or others into believing a certain way.

that's the thing, he didn't come to be. he was always there.

 

 

So, let me get this straight - you have trouble believing that the universe has always existed (which would be consistent with the scientific principle of matter never being created nor destroyed), but you don't have trouble believing some big guy in the sky has been here forever and wasn't, himself, created?

that's right.

that's the thing, he didn't come to be. he was always there.

 

 

So, let me get this straight - you have trouble believing that the universe has always existed (which would be consitent with the scientific principle of matter never being created nor destroyed), but you don't have trouble believing some big guy in the sky has been here forever and wasn't, himself, created?

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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :pope

that's right.

 

 

You're entitled to your beliefs, but IMO that's just crazy.

it might be crazy, but i find the intelligent design theory and the cosmichal argument for the existence of god to be valid.

I hope fish fry isnt saying that communism and atheism arent related, when Marx himself often wrote about the evils of religion and how it must not exist in a communist state.

 

Atheism has nothing to do with communism. Communism is an economic system founded by a man who was a staunch atheist. Communism itself is no more atheist than capitalism would be if Adam Smith was an atheist. His own biases aside, a communist state could still be run with religion in place just like a feudal system could be run without religion. BTW, Marx wasn't the founder of communism. I figured you would've known that with your poli-sci degree.

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Sorry fish but Marx was the founder of communism. True that Castroism uses the economic practices of Mao and not Marx. Marx was the one that combined hegelian dialectics with other running beliefs to create the communist ideology of today. i hate that communism and marxism arent the same thing garbage. Because they are. Marxist-Leninism is not the same as Marxism. But anyway Communism is not an economic system, it is a state system just like liberalism. Communism includes a socialist positive state economically (mostly leninism not true marxism) and in its pure form what it does is eliminate the class system. To eliminate the class system one must do away with things that seperate us from each other, wealth, race, and religion. With religion you cannot have communism. I find it funny how the ignorant of the world believe that communism and capitalism are opposites as a whole. This is a fallacy. the communist economic system is an opposite of capitalism, but capitalism is no more than an economic system and only when added with the negative state concept as liberalism is it truly an opposing system to communism.

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Thank god you explained communism to these people. In my honest opinion, if Marxism had been allowed to be the center point of Russia's communism instead of Lenin's perverted Marxism, then Russia might have never fallen apart.

 

 

Religion or a belief system is essential. Atheism is a religion too.

 

 

 

 

I personally believe that God created the world and universe in the Big Bang. And that evolution was god's way of letting the world run its course. And btw, scientists do have some fairly strong evidence suggesting that the Big Bang did in fact occur and as our telescopes get stronger, it will be clearer and clearer what happened.

Atheism is a religion too.

 

Spoken like a non-Atheist.

Lenin couldnt go by the book on marxism b/c in Marxism capitalism has to run its course so that the proletariat seriously outnumbers the burgeoiuse and that revolution is just a stepping stone to marxism. Marxism requires the technology to create and unlimited surplus, but since that wasnt the case in Russia, Lenin needed the communist party to be the legitimizer of Marxism, same as for Castro it was the guerilla fighter