Posted May 9, 200520 yr It took Cubs pitcher 136 pitches to toss a complete game yesterday. 136, no one has said anything about that because its the 'beloved cubbies.' granted their bullpen is horrible but... are they that desperate if this were the marlins, people would be flipping out, jack mckeon is getting to old for this blah blah blah
May 9, 200520 yr The perceived media hate for the Marlins is just retarded. You guys are like looney conspiracy theorists and it's getting way old. In conclusion, Dusty Baker is a moron.
May 9, 200520 yr And btw, I'm not agreeing with his topic I was just making that note about Mussina. I haven't even noticed if anyone said anything about these CG's on the media nor do I care.
May 9, 200520 yr This is nothing new for the Cubs, Baker's pitchers routinely average in the tops among pitches per start.
May 9, 200520 yr If he threw 136 in 6 2/3 IP, like Schmidt did a week or so ago, then that might a cause of concern. Zambrano is a monster.. 136 pitches is nothing to him.. especially over 9 innings.
May 9, 200520 yr The media never talks smack about the marlins...just no one cares about them... 136 isnt that bad either...
May 9, 200520 yr The media never talks smack about the marlins...just no one cares about them... 136 isnt that bad either... 767665[/snapback] :plain Considering that 110 is about the limit before entering dangerous territory, I'd say 136 is pretty bad. This will be Zambrano's last year as an ace. It's all downhill from here.
May 9, 200520 yr The media never talks smack about the marlins...just no one cares about them... 136 isnt that bad either... 767665[/snapback] :plain Considering that 110 is about the limit before entering dangerous territory, I'd say 136 is pretty bad. This will be Zambrano's last year as an ace. It's all downhill from here. 767676[/snapback] For a young arm? Not that bad, a little on the high, but not ridiculous. Z threw 96 his prior start...an average of 116 in two games...not insane for a pitcher as strong as he is.
May 9, 200520 yr The media never talks smack about the marlins...just no one cares about them... 136 isnt that bad either... 767665[/snapback] :plain Considering that 110 is about the limit before entering dangerous territory, I'd say 136 is pretty bad. This will be Zambrano's last year as an ace. It's all downhill from here. 767676[/snapback] For a young arm? Not that bad, a little on the high, but not ridiculous. Z threw 96 his prior start...an average of 116 in two games...not insane for a pitcher as strong as he is. 767689[/snapback] Especially as dangerous for a young arm as volatile as him. Don't forget it's April against the Phillies. I wouldn't mind this in a very important game down the stretch.
May 9, 200520 yr The media never talks smack about the marlins...just no one cares about them... 136 isnt that bad either... 767665[/snapback] :plain Considering that 110 is about the limit before entering dangerous territory, I'd say 136 is pretty bad. This will be Zambrano's last year as an ace. It's all downhill from here. 767676[/snapback] For a young arm? Not that bad, a little on the high, but not ridiculous. Z threw 96 his prior start...an average of 116 in two games...not insane for a pitcher as strong as he is. 767689[/snapback] Especially as dangerous for a young arm as volatile as him. Don't forget it's April against the Phillies. I wouldn't mind this in a very important game down the stretch. 767692[/snapback] Without a win then, there might not be important games down the stretch, they needed that game to snap a really bad 7 game losing streak. Me arguing about this, which I dont really care about, you are a Marlin fan. You hate the Cubs/Baker so my posts are not going to change anything. Lets leave it at this.
May 9, 200520 yr 136 pitches is not dangerous territory.. it would be if it was in 6 innings but not in 9. especially for a guy of his size and strength. It's all about pitches per innings and the type of player thats throwing them.
May 9, 200520 yr 136 pitches is not dangerous territory.. it would be if it was in 6 innings but not in 9. especially for a guy of his size and strength. It's all about pitches per innings and the type of player thats throwing them. 767712[/snapback] Bingo.
May 9, 200520 yr i'm going to be loving it when that piece of s*** Dusty Baker gets fired in a month or two
May 9, 200520 yr i'm going to be loving it when that piece of s*** Dusty Baker gets fired in a month or two 767770[/snapback] Shut up clown. You probably sucked that guys nuts for years on this board when he managed the Giants. Cant have it two ways. You have turned on every player/person who leaves or crosses the Giants. Give it a rest
May 9, 200520 yr What I don't understand is how no one cares that college pitchers commonly throw 130+. Every week they throw a ton of pitches. I guess because they don't pitch but once a week most of the time and they are young. I dunno
May 9, 200520 yr What I don't understand is how no one cares that college pitchers commonly throw 130+. Every week they throw a ton of pitches. I guess because they don't pitch but once a week most of the time and they are young. I dunno 767781[/snapback] High Schoolers are sometimes in that range too... Tim Wakefield threw 172 pitches in a game.... :plain
May 9, 200520 yr Does anyone ever sit and think that maybe pitch counts are OVERRATED and don't mean as much as some people put in them? Christ... Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, Nolan Ryan, Warren Spahn, Gaylord Perry, etc. would laugh in the face of pitch counts. Like Jack says, quit babying them.
May 9, 200520 yr Does anyone ever sit and think that maybe pitch counts are OVERRATED and don't mean as much as some people put in them? Christ... Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, Nolan Ryan, Warren Spahn, Gaylord Perry, etc. would laugh in the face of pitch counts. Like Jack says, quit babying them. 767784[/snapback] holy crap!... an original thought! :thumbup
May 9, 200520 yr Good to see Dusty trying to ruin ALL of his pitchers, and not just some. 767659[/snapback] :thumbup
May 9, 200520 yr What I don't understand is how no one cares that college pitchers commonly throw 130+. Every week they throw a ton of pitches. I guess because they don't pitch but once a week most of the time and they are young. I dunno 767781[/snapback] High Schoolers are sometimes in that range too... Tim Wakefield threw 172 pitches in a game.... :plain 767783[/snapback] And most high school pitchers play at another position when they're not in the game, unless it's someone real special, their arms get abused...
May 10, 200520 yr Does anyone ever sit and think that maybe pitch counts are OVERRATED and don't mean as much as some people put in them? Christ... Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, Nolan Ryan, Warren Spahn, Gaylord Perry, etc. would laugh in the face of pitch counts. Like Jack says, quit babying them. 767784[/snapback] 9-15M dollars a year weren't invested in those arms, though. That's why pitch counts became "over-rated".
May 15, 200520 yr Ding Ding Ding In the 4th.. Mark O'Neil (sp) the Cubs trainer came out to check on Zambrano, Baker came out.. Zambrano left the game.. Seemed like a cramp or something.. Maybe the last game got to him? Afterall they let him pitch 136 pitches I believe..
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