June 1, 200521 yr WTF? Juan Enc is one of my favorite players on the team! He never lets us down! How the heck could they consider trading him? Didn't they learn their lesson when they let him go the first time?!?
June 1, 200521 yr conine,castillo,bump,and leiter should be on the block 791475[/snapback] Castillo on the block? He's the only capable leadoff hitter we have on the team that's actually hitting. His defense at second is the best in the league. He takes pitches like crazy and works the count.
June 1, 200521 yr I think Pierre should be on trading block.He is not the same player he was 2 years ago. 791434[/snapback] I think you are an idiot for saying that :mad 791450[/snapback] I think your an idiot for thinking otherwise............ .259 AVG Can't steal His fielding is average and is ARM is pathetic. Trade him while he still has some value.. 791473[/snapback] And he has no power
June 1, 200521 yr I hate to admit this because I am loyal to him despite his latest performance, but I wouldn't be surprised if Pierre's future is in the air. I'd hate to see any of our players go. Trades and expired contracts are always a sad time even when the player in question isn't at the top of the game. It is sad to see the team transform even if it is for the best.
June 1, 200521 yr Wow -- Zach Day for Enc? That would have been an unreal deal for us. He;s struggled this year but has a boatload of potential -- especially in this park behind our defense. I find it strange that the Nats would want Encarnacion -- they have too many outfielders as is. Guillen, Wilkerson, Byrd is playing well, Church is a good young player, and Sledge is also a good young player although he's injured. Who's Beinfest gonna call up next? :shifty
June 1, 200521 yr Don't forget that Bowden traded DMITRI YOUNG for Encarnacion a few years back. Bowden LIVES to acquire 5 tool OF's. He's acquired Guillen, Byrd, Escobar, Davis and Hammonds since arriving in DC. Day is a solid pitcher who has just been f*cked over by Robinson and some flukish injuries. I think he would do very well for the Fish. He'd be a great #4-#5 starter behind your big 3.
June 1, 200521 yr I like the Day trade. He has a lot of promise. Keeps the ball down. Caught a few bad breaks (Washington's infield is terrible! Guzman, Castilla and Vidro have little range). Never got along with Frank Robinson. It opens up a starting spot for Conine, Dillon, Willingham and Easley. And allows the Marlins to pursue other options like trading one of their starting pitchers. Never been a huge fan of Enc's, but he's got his OPS over .800 so he's okay in my book, but I think as long as he's stuck in right, there too much is made about his defensive impact.
June 1, 200521 yr maybe the Marlins should go back to the Nats and tell them to add another player along with Day b/c they are taken on an injuried player
June 1, 200521 yr Keep Encarnacion. He is a consistent contributor to the team. He has 34 RBIs this season which puts him in second behind Delgado on the team who has 35. I don't think we can afford to lose someone who drives in a lot of runs. Look how many we have been getting lately. Cabs also has 34. Our pitching might be lacking a bit, but I don't think it is worth gambling away one of our best RBIers in an attempt to get another pitcher.
June 1, 200521 yr Keep Encarnacion. He is a consistent contributor to the team. He has 34 RBIs this season which puts him in second behind Delgado on the team who has 35. I don't think we can afford to lose someone who drives in a lot of runs. Look how many we have been getting lately. Cabs also has 34. Our pitching might be lacking a bit, but I don't think it is worth gambling away one of our best RBIers in an attempt to get another pitcher. 791521[/snapback] RBI are the most overrated stat in baseball, and way over rated in the case of 4-3-2-popup, he had 8 off 2 swings and hasn't been a real consistent RBI guy lately.
June 1, 200521 yr Keep Encarnacion. He is a consistent contributor to the team. He has 34 RBIs this season which puts him in second behind Delgado on the team who has 35. I don't think we can afford to lose someone who drives in a lot of runs. Look how many we have been getting lately. Cabs also has 34. Our pitching might be lacking a bit, but I don't think it is worth gambling away one of our best RBIers in an attempt to get another pitcher. 791521[/snapback] RBI are the most overrated stat in baseball, and way over rated in the case of 4-3-2-popup, he had 8 off 2 swings and hasn't been a real consistent RBI guy lately. 791524[/snapback] that's the stupidest thing I've ever read RBI are the most overrated stat in baseball? no saves are the most overrated stat in baseball
June 1, 200521 yr Keep Encarnacion.? He is a consistent contributor to the team.? He has 34 RBIs this season which puts him in second behind Delgado on the team who has 35.? I don't think we can afford to lose someone who drives in a lot of runs.? Look how many we have been getting lately.? Cabs also has 34.? Our pitching might be lacking a bit, but I don't think it is worth gambling away one of our best RBIers in an attempt to get another pitcher. 791521[/snapback] RBI are the most overrated stat in baseball, and way over rated in the case of 4-3-2-popup, he had 8 off 2 swings and hasn't been a real consistent RBI guy lately. 791524[/snapback] that's the stupidest thing I've ever read RBI are the most overrated stat in baseball? no saves are the most overrated stat in baseball 791528[/snapback] How are RBI not overrated? It has less to do with you, and everything about the team's performance around you. You can't "create" runs with the bases empty (aside from a HR), so calling someone an "RBI machine" is so unfounded it's almost laughable. The ability to hit with runners on is more fair of an indicator of a person's run producing ability than RBI total.
June 1, 200521 yr Ok, but the RBI stat basically tells us that someone is a good hitter with runners on. Sure, there is a specific stat for that but you also need to remember that our top three RBI guys are also our top 3 homerun guys. A lot of stats tie in together. It's not a worthless stat though there are other useful stats that basically tell us the same thing.
June 1, 200521 yr Enc has a lot of doubles and a couple triples. I still feel like he hits well in clutch situations and I would hate to see him go.
June 1, 200521 yr Keep Encarnacion. He is a consistent contributor to the team. He has 34 RBIs this season which puts him in second behind Delgado on the team who has 35. I don't think we can afford to lose someone who drives in a lot of runs. Look how many we have been getting lately. Cabs also has 34. Our pitching might be lacking a bit, but I don't think it is worth gambling away one of our best RBIers in an attempt to get another pitcher. 791521[/snapback] RBI are the most overrated stat in baseball, and way over rated in the case of 4-3-2-popup, he had 8 off 2 swings and hasn't been a real consistent RBI guy lately. 791524[/snapback] that's the stupidest thing I've ever read RBI are the most overrated stat in baseball? no saves are the most overrated stat in baseball 791528[/snapback] How are RBI not overrated? It has less to do with you, and everything about the team's performance around you. You can't "create" runs with the bases empty (aside from a HR), so calling someone an "RBI machine" is so unfounded it's almost laughable. The ability to hit with runners on is more fair of an indicator of a person's run producing ability than RBI total. 791531[/snapback] WHAT?!?! The ability to hit with runners on is more fair of an indicator of a person's run producing ability than RBI total. that's what Juan Encarancion has done well this season is hit with a chance for an RBI . A players RBI totals are the second most looked for stat when they are going in for a new contract. Did you just start watching baseball?
June 1, 200521 yr They're both overrated. Saves because the ease of some of the work. RBIs because they're based entirely on opportunity. What has this got to do with anythng?
June 1, 200521 yr Ok, but the RBI stat basically tells us that someone is a good hitter with runners on.? Sure, there is a specific stat for that but you also need to remember that our top three RBI guys are also our top 3 homerun guys.? A lot of stats tie in together.? It's not a worthless stat though there are other useful stats that basically tell us the same thing. 791537[/snapback] No, it's not tied in. If I connect one time with three runners on I could get 3 or even 4 RBI from one swing, but I go 0 for my next 4 with runners on, my RBI total is still high, but my average is tumbling. However, if I double constantly with one runner on, I'm only getting 1 RBI from each swing, but I'm far more consistent. Encarnacion's RBI numbers are inflated because of pure luck (2 GS), but his batting average with RISP is substantially lower than you'd like (and shockingly low for a guy with 34 RBI). I'd take a guy with a huge BA over a guy with high RBI totals and a low average, especially on this team. We'll be exceptionally lucky if we get a team to overvalue Encarnacion to the point that they give us a quality player and take his contract.
June 1, 200521 yr Keep Encarnacion.? He is a consistent contributor to the team.? He has 34 RBIs this season which puts him in second behind Delgado on the team who has 35.? I don't think we can afford to lose someone who drives in a lot of runs.? Look how many we have been getting lately.? Cabs also has 34.? Our pitching might be lacking a bit, but I don't think it is worth gambling away one of our best RBIers in an attempt to get another pitcher. 791521[/snapback] RBI are the most overrated stat in baseball, and way over rated in the case of 4-3-2-popup, he had 8 off 2 swings and hasn't been a real consistent RBI guy lately. 791524[/snapback] that's the stupidest thing I've ever read RBI are the most overrated stat in baseball? no saves are the most overrated stat in baseball 791528[/snapback] How are RBI not overrated? It has less to do with you, and everything about the team's performance around you. You can't "create" runs with the bases empty (aside from a HR), so calling someone an "RBI machine" is so unfounded it's almost laughable. The ability to hit with runners on is more fair of an indicator of a person's run producing ability than RBI total. 791531[/snapback] WHAT?!?! The ability to hit with runners on is more fair of an indicator of a person's run producing ability than RBI total. that's what Juan Encarancion has done well this season is hit with a chance for an RBI . A players RBI totals are the second most looked for stat when they are going in for a new contract. Did you just start watching baseball? 791543[/snapback] Encarnacion had 8 RBI off two swings, a quarter of his production. If 1/4 of your output comes from 2 swings, you sure aren't hitting with any consistency with runners on. And I'm sure glad you're not the GM of any team negotiating contracts, because you'd be handing out some pretty dumb money to players with inflated RBI totals.
June 1, 200521 yr WHAT?!?! The ability to hit with runners on is more fair of an indicator of a person's run producing ability than RBI total. that's what Juan Encarancion has done well this season is hit with a chance for an RBI . A players RBI total are the second most look for stat when they are going in for a new contract. Did you just start watching baseball? 791543[/snapback] Not exactly. In 2003, Encarnacion drove in 94 RBIs. His situational stats (runners on, runners in scoring position, bases loaded) were not any better than league average. Yet he compiled a very high number of RBIs. Why? Because he was batting behind Pudge, Lee and Lowell - all skilled hitters and capable of getting on base often.
June 1, 200521 yr Keep Encarnacion. He is a consistent contributor to the team. He has 34 RBIs this season which puts him in second behind Delgado on the team who has 35. I don't think we can afford to lose someone who drives in a lot of runs. Look how many we have been getting lately. Cabs also has 34. Our pitching might be lacking a bit, but I don't think it is worth gambling away one of our best RBIers in an attempt to get another pitcher. 791521[/snapback] RBI are the most overrated stat in baseball, and way over rated in the case of 4-3-2-popup, he had 8 off 2 swings and hasn't been a real consistent RBI guy lately. 791524[/snapback] that's the stupidest thing I've ever read RBI are the most overrated stat in baseball? no saves are the most overrated stat in baseball 791528[/snapback] How are RBI not overrated? It has less to do with you, and everything about the team's performance around you. You can't "create" runs with the bases empty (aside from a HR), so calling someone an "RBI machine" is so unfounded it's almost laughable. The ability to hit with runners on is more fair of an indicator of a person's run producing ability than RBI total. 791531[/snapback] WHAT?!?! The ability to hit with runners on is more fair of an indicator of a person's run producing ability than RBI total. that's what Juan Encarancion has done well this season is hit with a chance for an RBI . A players RBI totals are the second most looked for stat when they are going in for a new contract. Did you just start watching baseball? 791543[/snapback] Encarnacion had 8 RBI off two swings, a quarter of his production. If 1/4 of your output comes from 2 swings, you sure aren't hitting with any consistency with runners on. And I'm sure glad you're not the GM of any team negotiating contracts, because you'd be handing out some pretty dumb money to players with inflated RBI totals. 791553[/snapback] lets see I'd give A-Rod, A. Pujols, M. Ramirez M. Tejada dumb money b/c of there RBI totals
June 1, 200521 yr In other news If we're dealing to a GM who jizzes over these types of players (Enc I mean) and the FO apparently wants to deal him for some strange reason, get Patterson instead of Day! Patterson has sick sick stuff and under the same education that Beckett/Burnett/Willis are receiving he'd be scary good. Best staff in baseball with Patterson getting some instruction and attached to the Big Three.
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