June 1, 200521 yr Keep Encarnacion.? He is a consistent contributor to the team.? He has 34 RBIs this season which puts him in second behind Delgado on the team who has 35.? I don't think we can afford to lose someone who drives in a lot of runs.? Look how many we have been getting lately.? Cabs also has 34.? Our pitching might be lacking a bit, but I don't think it is worth gambling away one of our best RBIers in an attempt to get another pitcher. 791521[/snapback] RBI are the most overrated stat in baseball, and way over rated in the case of 4-3-2-popup, he had 8 off 2 swings and hasn't been a real consistent RBI guy lately. 791524[/snapback] that's the stupidest thing I've ever read RBI are the most overrated stat in baseball? no saves are the most overrated stat in baseball 791528[/snapback] How are RBI not overrated? It has less to do with you, and everything about the team's performance around you. You can't "create" runs with the bases empty (aside from a HR), so calling someone an "RBI machine" is so unfounded it's almost laughable. The ability to hit with runners on is more fair of an indicator of a person's run producing ability than RBI total. 791531[/snapback] WHAT?!?! The ability to hit with runners on is more fair of an indicator of a person's run producing ability than RBI total. that's what Juan Encarancion has done well this season is hit with a chance for an RBI . A players RBI totals are the second most looked for stat when they are going in for a new contract. Did you just start watching baseball? 791543[/snapback] Encarnacion had 8 RBI off two swings, a quarter of his production. If 1/4 of your output comes from 2 swings, you sure aren't hitting with any consistency with runners on. And I'm sure glad you're not the GM of any team negotiating contracts, because you'd be handing out some pretty dumb money to players with inflated RBI totals. 791553[/snapback] lets see I'd give A-Rod, A. Pujols, M. Ramirez M. Tejada dumb money b/c of there RBI totals 791562[/snapback] Well, then congrats for going with the flow and having a real "eye" for talent. Doesn't take much of an evaluator to know that those guys are worth it. :thumbup
June 1, 200521 yr Keep Encarnacion.? He is a consistent contributor to the team.? He has 34 RBIs this season which puts him in second behind Delgado on the team who has 35.? I don't think we can afford to lose someone who drives in a lot of runs.? Look how many we have been getting lately.? Cabs also has 34.? Our pitching might be lacking a bit, but I don't think it is worth gambling away one of our best RBIers in an attempt to get another pitcher. 791521[/snapback] RBI are the most overrated stat in baseball, and way over rated in the case of 4-3-2-popup, he had 8 off 2 swings and hasn't been a real consistent RBI guy lately. 791524[/snapback] that's the stupidest thing I've ever read RBI are the most overrated stat in baseball? no saves are the most overrated stat in baseball 791528[/snapback] How are RBI not overrated? It has less to do with you, and everything about the team's performance around you. You can't "create" runs with the bases empty (aside from a HR), so calling someone an "RBI machine" is so unfounded it's almost laughable. The ability to hit with runners on is more fair of an indicator of a person's run producing ability than RBI total. 791531[/snapback] WHAT?!?! The ability to hit with runners on is more fair of an indicator of a person's run producing ability than RBI total. that's what Juan Encarancion has done well this season is hit with a chance for an RBI . A players RBI totals are the second most looked for stat when they are going in for a new contract. Did you just start watching baseball? 791543[/snapback] Encarnacion had 8 RBI off two swings, a quarter of his production. If 1/4 of your output comes from 2 swings, you sure aren't hitting with any consistency with runners on. And I'm sure glad you're not the GM of any team negotiating contracts, because you'd be handing out some pretty dumb money to players with inflated RBI totals. 791553[/snapback] lets see I'd give A-Rod, A. Pujols, M. Ramirez M. Tejada dumb money b/c of there RBI totals 791562[/snapback] A-Rod, Pujols, and Tejada also happen to be gold glove caliber or above average defenders. And all of the above hit for a good average, get on base a lot, and have massive power.
June 1, 200521 yr Enc gets no love! He has been carrying a big chunk of the team since his grand salami on day 1. Trading him for Zach Day would be a bad deal, and we wouldn't save any money if that meant reducing Leiters role. I'm all for improving the team, but this wouldn't be a clear move forward.
June 1, 200521 yr In other news If we're dealing to a GM who jizzes over these types of players (Enc I mean) and the FO apparently wants to deal him for some strange reason, get Patterson instead of Day! Patterson has sick sick stuff and under the same education that Beckett/Burnett/Willis are receiving he'd be scary good. Best staff in baseball with Patterson getting some instruction and attached to the Big Three. 791566[/snapback] I would be much more happy with Patterson. Ok, I know I'm dreaming, but would there be any way to work out a deal that would bring Livan back to Miami? Encarnacion alone wouldn't do it most likely, but I'm sure the Marlins could throw something together... 791581[/snapback] Not if they're looking to add, and not if there's a new ownership group coming in...blow 'em up trades won't likely be forthcoming.
June 1, 200521 yr Enc gets no love! He has been carrying a big chunk of the team since his grand salami on day 1. Trading him for Zach Day would be a bad deal, and we wouldn't save any money if that meant reducing Leiters role. I'm all for improving the team, but this wouldn't be a clear move forward. 791583[/snapback] I love Enc, but if the FO is so deadset on dealing him might as well get the best deal possible ya know.
June 1, 200521 yr You people have to be realistic... There is no way the Nats would trade Patterson, the guy was once the gem of the D-Backs farm system until his shoulder went bum a couple years ago. Besides, the nats still consider themselves contenders... no way they?d give up a starter as good as Patterson. As for the whole Enc for Day thing... I don?t like it... but then again Beinfest is a genius and i?m sure he knows what he?s doing... he?s done strange things before and they?ve worked out.... i?m sure this was going to be part of a bigger deal. -prays for Brad Lidge-
June 1, 200521 yr Enc gets no love! He has been carrying a big chunk of the team since his grand salami on day 1. Trading him for Zach Day would be a bad deal, and we wouldn't save any money if that meant reducing Leiters role. I'm all for improving the team, but this wouldn't be a clear move forward. 791583[/snapback] I'm also an Enc support, and most of the people supporting Enc doesn't believe in Sacred Cows and trust the FO moves. The team comes first. If a trade dealing Enc brings a key piece, then I'm all for it
June 1, 200521 yr You people have to be realistic... There is no way the Nats would trade Patterson, the guy was once the gem of the D-Backs farm system until his shoulder went bum a couple years ago. Besides, the nats still consider themselves contenders... no way they?d give up a starter as good as Patterson. As for the whole Enc for Day thing... I don?t like it... but then again Beinfest is a genius and i?m sure he knows what he?s doing... he?s done strange things before and they?ve worked out.... i?m sure this was going to be part of a bigger deal. -prays for Brad Lidge- K The Nats won't trade Patterson but the Stros will trade Lidge I hear Manny Ramirez is on the block
June 1, 200521 yr You people have to be realistic... There is no way the Nats would trade Patterson, the guy was once the gem of the D-Backs farm system until his shoulder went bum a couple years ago. Besides, the nats still consider themselves contenders... no way they?d give up a starter as good as Patterson. As for the whole Enc for Day thing... I don?t like it... but then again Beinfest is a genius and i?m sure he knows what he?s doing... he?s done strange things before and they?ve worked out.... i?m sure this was going to be part of a bigger deal. -prays for Brad Lidge- 791592[/snapback] Welcome to the boards, and that makes sense about this being part of something larger. I mean, who's to say that we were going to keep Day? The article said that the Marlins were offering Encarnacion, but that another team was also interested in Day. Perhaps we were simply spinning him to another team as part of a three teamer (or maybe more). I don't see Day fitting with us (even if he is a good option) simply because Moehler, Valdez and Leiter are blocking roster spots and payroll.
June 1, 200521 yr The source said the Marlins would have had to pick up much of Encarnacion's $4.4 million salary. I don't think we would have done this..
June 1, 200521 yr You people have to be realistic... There is no way the Nats would trade Patterson, the guy was once the gem of the D-Backs farm system until his shoulder went bum a couple years ago. Besides, the nats still consider themselves contenders... no way they?d give up a starter as good as Patterson. As for the whole Enc for Day thing... I don?t like it... but then again Beinfest is a genius and i?m sure he knows what he?s doing... he?s done strange things before and they?ve worked out.... i?m sure this was going to be part of a bigger deal. -prays for Brad Lidge- K The Nats won't trade Patterson but the Stros will trade Lidge I hear Manny Ramirez is on the block 791605[/snapback] isn't Manny an RBI machine? Lidge on the block ???
June 1, 200521 yr Enc gets no love! He has been carrying a big chunk of the team since his grand salami on day 1. Trading him for Zach Day would be a bad deal, and we wouldn't save any money if that meant reducing Leiters role. I'm all for improving the team, but this wouldn't be a clear move forward. 791583[/snapback] I'm also an Enc support, and most of the people supporting Enc doesn't believe in Sacred Cows and trust the FO moves. The team comes first. If a trade dealing Enc brings a key piece, then I'm all for it 791597[/snapback] I liked most of the moves the FO has made, but Enc for Zach Freaking Day!? We might as well just give him up for prospects and cash. Enc + cash for Day is just nuts. The reason Washington wants to trade Day is because they don't want him. The reporter must have bad info, or Beinfest was stoned over the weekend when he wanted to make the move. All I know is that God is definitely a Marlin fan and had an angel come down and break Zach's wrists.
June 1, 200521 yr Do we really need another starter? Beckett, AJ, Dontrelle, Moehler, and Leiter, with Valdez coming back soon. That's already a way good staff. Even if Leiter continues, i think every team has one starter that blows. I would think we would be looking for hitting help..
June 1, 200521 yr It was a 3 way deal involving the Rockies and Preston Wilson, not just Zach Day and ENC.
June 1, 200521 yr Conflicting reports. Some say it was a three-team deal. Others say it was Day and 'somebody else" for Enc. Gorick, We need another starter. Leiter isn't pitching well. Valdez isn't any better. Moehler could return to earth at any moment. AJ and Josh are injury concerns. Only Beckett and Willis are locked up for next year. Leiter will likely retire and Burnett for free agency. Bringing back Valdez would be a mistake. Who knows if the club will be willing to invest in Moehler. That leaves three spots to be filled for 2006. Scott Olsen, Logan Kensing or Josh Johnson could fill one or two of those spots, but asking any of them to be a consistent #3 starter is asking a lot. The names in free agency aren't great this winter.
June 1, 200521 yr The Nats won't trade Patterson but the Stros will trade Lidge I hear Manny Ramirez is on the block isn't Manny an RBI machine? Lidge on the block ???My post was made under the complete control of sarcasm
June 1, 200521 yr The Nats won't trade Patterson but the Stros will trade Lidge I hear Manny Ramirez is on the block isn't Manny an RBI machine? Lidge on the block ???My post was made under the complete control of sarcasm 791704[/snapback] mine was made to make light of Tsomething dumb theory about RBI being an overrated stat
June 1, 200521 yr It was a 3 way deal involving the Rockies and Preston Wilson, not just Zach Day and ENC. 791668[/snapback] interesting :mischief2 Joe Kennedy anybody? and PFunk back in teal? :o I doubt it P-Funk will be back in teal 1. 12 million 2. OBP of .313 I'd rather have Juan 3. .217 against lefties with some better good lefties in the division I'd rather have Juan I doubt this was a three-way deal unless more is coming to the Fish maybe Kennedy and Day
June 1, 200521 yr It was a 3 way deal involving the Rockies and Preston Wilson, not just Zach Day and ENC. 791668[/snapback] interesting :mischief2 Joe Kennedy anybody? and PFunk back in teal? :o 791713[/snapback] I think Wilson would have ended up in Washington, they've been hard after him for a while...
June 1, 200521 yr It was a 3 way deal involving the Rockies and Preston Wilson, not just Zach Day and ENC. 791668[/snapback] interesting :mischief2 Joe Kennedy anybody? and PFunk back in teal? :o 791713[/snapback] I think Wilson would have ended up in Washington, they've been hard after him for a while... 791723[/snapback] your right and Juan would end up in with the Rockies but what would the fish get other than Day...Kennedy?, a prospect?, Sledge?
June 1, 200521 yr I have no problem trading Enc. He's improved some this season, but he's not in our long-term plans much less our next season plans. We have at least one capable replacement in 9ner and 2 other guys who could surprise as well in Dillon and Willingham. Trade from strength to get a starter and something. I dig.
June 1, 200521 yr I agree that Enc is not in our long-term plans, but judging by the way the offense is struggling, is it the right time to trade Juan? Sure, this gives playing time to Conine or Willingham, but iit doesnt solve the team's problems by subtracting Juan and adding Day.
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