PositiveHype Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 OK, now many of us have heard the players' names that have been floating around the supposed trade discussions between the Yanks and Fish, but there is a new name that I heard has popped up as of late yesterday. Yes, we all know that Sheffield, Burnett, Stanton, Tom Gordon, Encarnacion, and in some cases Pierre and Lowell, but the latest name that I heard is A-Rod. A couple of other sites have mentioned it and I wanted to know if anyone else heard something. Supposedly, Steinbrenner is dead set on having Pierre along with Burnett, that he'd be willing to give A-Rod and take Lowell in return as well. Does anyone know how accurate this is? Or is it just NY-based speculation? Oh, and there is a tidbit of extra speculation that in order to replace Pierre that an agreement has already been made with the D-Rays involving Carl Crawford, that is dependant on the Yanks/Marlins deal because there is a prospect on the Yanks that is wanted by the Rays, along with Marlins' prospects. Would Admin Beinfest pull of something like this without anyone knowing? Please let me know. :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishfan79 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Hmm, If they give us 100 million dollars to pay his salary maybe. We couldnt afford him in a Million years. But if we ended up with ARod and Crawford for Pierre Lowell, Burnet and a prospect (not hermida). Then I would be fine for it. But, I think there is little chance of that happening. What would the yankees do for a big bat then? Arod is their best run producer really and solid bat in the line up. Luis Crawford Arod Delgado Cabrera Enc Lo Duca Alex Willis Would be a sickly sweet line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAndMrsFish Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 OK, now many of us have heard the players' names that have been floating around the supposed trade discussions between the Yanks and Fish, but there is a new name that I heard has popped up as of late yesterday. Yes, we all know that Sheffield, Burnett, Stanton, Tom Gordon, Encarnacion, and in some cases Pierre and Lowell, but the latest name that I heard is A-Rod. A couple of other sites have mentioned it and I wanted to know if anyone else heard something. Supposedly, Steinbrenner is dead set on having Pierre along with Burnett, that he'd be willing to give A-Rod and take Lowell in return as well. Does anyone know how accurate this is? Or is it just NY-based speculation? Oh, and there is a tidbit of extra speculation that in order to replace Pierre that an agreement has already been made with the D-Rays involving Carl Crawford, that is dependant on the Yanks/Marlins deal because there is a prospect on the Yanks that is wanted by the Rays, along with Marlins' prospects. Would Admin Beinfest pull of something like this without anyone knowing? Please let me know. :o 843993[/snapback] Although it sounds like a wonderful trade...the Fish don't have the resources ($$$$) to pull that type of deal off.....unless the yankees are willing to pick up $20-$22 million on A-Rod contract for him to play for us....I don't see it happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinFan10 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Pierre has been playing good lately. The FO would be kinda stoopid to trade him IMO. Steinbrenner can think all he wants the Marlins can somehow handle A-Rod's contract, but it's not gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PositiveHype Posted July 7, 2005 Author Share Posted July 7, 2005 I agree with you all, but what made me wonder about this rumor was that there was mention about the Yanks picking up the tab. Normally, I would say that this is an April Fool's joke, but it's not April and with Steinbrenner and the Evil Empire, anything is possible. Personally, I don't like the trade because we know what we have in Pierre and aren't guaranteed to get the same Crawford that they have in Tampa. Also, we can't guarantee that A-Rod will be the same player in the NL that he is in the AL. Yes, guys like Delgado, Thome, and McGwire (steroids and all) have adjusted to the league changes, but you have guys like Griffey Jr., Shawn Green, and Joe Carter, among many other bigtime RBI men throughout history, whose batting averages were never the same after league changes. I'd be concerned about getting a .240 hitter that we thought would do alot more. :thumbdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSand Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 I think someone said this before...just because Steinbrenner has money doesn't mean he's stupid. What's he going to do, deal A-Rod AND pay his contract AND pick up Lowell's contract? Why?!? Last time I checked Lowell was playing pretty darn s***ty, and A-Rod was still A-Rod. Would be great for the Marlins though! I guess it doesn't hurt to dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PositiveHype Posted July 7, 2005 Author Share Posted July 7, 2005 I think someone said this before...just because Steinbrenner has money doesn't mean he's stupid. What's he going to do, deal A-Rod AND pay his contract AND pick up Lowell's contract? Why?!? Last time I checked Lowell was playing pretty darn s***ty, and A-Rod was still A-Rod. Would be great for the Marlins though! I guess it doesn't hurt to dream. 844033[/snapback] Actually, as briefly mentioned in my post, it is something that was mentioned by some New Yorkers, who I have to assume would be Yankees fans. So, it is their dream, I think. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 If Juan Encarnacion hasn't become a human highlight reel in the last two weeks I don't know you'd call him. I'm sure every GM in baseball now realizes what he's capable of and Beinfest will try to maximize that value. I have a my own take on Encarnacion and why he's doing better. It's Valerio de Los Santos, who is his cousin. Knowing how introverted Enc is, the spark that may have lit his recent resurgence may just be having his relative there to talk to and chum around with. Just an observation, nothing more. Certainly one can make the case that Enc is out for Enc, ala Derrek Lee in 2003, with free agency looming, but I suspect it's more the comfort of having a family member around, as much as anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSand Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 QUOTE(Sandroimbuto @ Jul 7 2005, 10:34 AM) I think someone said this before...just because Steinbrenner has money doesn't mean he's stupid. What's he going to do, deal A-Rod AND pay his contract AND pick up Lowell's contract? Why?!? Last time I checked Lowell was playing pretty darn s***ty, and A-Rod was still A-Rod. Would be great for the Marlins though! I guess it doesn't hurt to dream. Actually, as briefly mentioned in my post, it is something that was mentioned by some New Yorkers, who I have to assume would be Yankees fans. So, it is their dream, I think. Crazy New Yorkers. Don't know why they would ever want that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishin2004 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 this can't be real, because the whole reason to trade AJ is that we would not be able to re-sign ourselves. for the money we'd be paying A-Rod, we could get Pierre and AJ back, and start towards getting Sea Bass back here too. the only way this happens is if the Yanks pay over half his salary over the next 5 years....i can't believe it's worth over $50 million to George to make this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishfan79 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 What is the salary of Lowell compared to ARod year to year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishfan79 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 besides if you made this deal you are moving Arod to SS his real gold glove position? Or are you keeping him at 3B his not real position? Ruin a great gold glove combo? This makes little sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PositiveHype Posted July 7, 2005 Author Share Posted July 7, 2005 besides if you made this deal you are moving Arod to SS his real gold glove position? Or are you keeping him at 3B his not real position? Ruin a great gold glove combo? This makes little sense. 844068[/snapback] I would guess he would go to 3B because I didn't hear a mention of Alex Gonzalez in any trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishin2004 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 A-Rod is signed thru 2010, making 20-24 million each year. Lowell is making $8 million per year thru 2007. A-Rod has about $114 left on his deal, Lowell has $16 million, not including what both of them are owed this year, and the ridiculous incentives A-Rod has built in ($1.5 million every time he wins the MVP award, for example). but even more important is this - nothing this FO has ever done has suggested that they would take on this kind of deal. this contract would tie all the team's money up in one player who has a no-trade clause. how many players have we let walk b/c we didn't want to overpay even a little? now suddenly we'll take on the most expensive deal in sports history? to make this work, they'd have to send us $50 million dollars, at least. so A-Rod + $50 million for Lowell, AJ, and Pierre, when AJ and Pierre are both free agents next year? this is stupid Yankee fan blather, but b/c it's on a website, people think it's official. Somewhere, someone is pointing to THIS thread and saying "hey, people are talking about an A-Rod\Marlins deal!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PositiveHype Posted July 7, 2005 Author Share Posted July 7, 2005 A-Rod is signed thru 2010, making 20-24 million each year. Lowell is making $8 million per year thru 2007. A-Rod has about $114 left on his deal, Lowell has $16 million, not including what both of them are owed this year, and the ridiculous incentives A-Rod has built in ($1.5 million every time he wins the MVP award, for example). but even more important is this - nothing this FO has ever done has suggested that they would take on this kind of deal. this contract would tie all the team's money up in one player who has a no-trade clause. how many players have we let walk b/c we didn't want to overpay even a little? now suddenly we'll take on the most expensive deal in sports history? to make this work, they'd have to send us $50 million dollars, at least. so A-Rod + $50 million for Lowell, AJ, and Pierre, when AJ and Pierre are both free agents next year? this is stupid Yankee fan blather, but b/c it's on a website, people think it's official. Somewhere, someone is pointing to THIS thread and saying "hey, people are talking about an A-Rod\Marlins deal!" 844089[/snapback] I agree. You know that is what I originally felt. You know what's funny about the last thing that you said. I wouldn't be surprised that it goes beyond the internet rumor mills and actually makes one of the NY papers and eventually ESPN. Very soon, we may see Peter Gammons, Harold Reynolds, John Kruk, and Jeff Brantley talking about it on Baseball Tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureGM Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 We're not getting A-Rod, guys. He alone would take up a third of our entire payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishfan79 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 sheff would make alot more sense then Arod, but Idont think we will be trading with the yankees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NirvanaNole Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 There is no way the Yankees will trade ARod and pick up a lot of his salary. I wouldn't mind offering up AJ/Enc/Lowell/prospects for ARod/money to get his salary down to 10-15 million a year, but I don't see it happening. If the Yankees are smoking crack and decided to make that deal, I think ARod would play 3B this year and move to SS next year when Gonzo is a FA. Then you could move Cabrera to 3B next year and try Conine/Willingham/Hermida/Aguilla at RF/LF next year. I assume we'd also try to deal for Redman or another starting pitcher for this year. 1. Pierre 2. Castillo 3. ARod 4. Delgado 5. Cabrera 6. Lo Duca 7. Conine/Willingham 8. Gonzo *Faints* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarUM483 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 This is insane....this will NEVER happen.... There is no way Arod is coming over here... although a line up of Arod, Delgado, and Cabs would be AMAZING... Boss will never pull the trigger. For several reasons... 1) ARod is currently having an MVP season... 2) Lowell is having a non-steroid season....lol.... 3) Boss is not going to pick up a chunk of Arod's salary AND pay Lowell. 4) The Boss may be rich...but he's not stupid... 5) Marlins cant afford Arod... I laughed outloud when i read this... I wish it would happen...but there is no way this will get done.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins2003 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 For all his lifelong childish behavior, and perhaps it's that LL-like enthusiasm that appeals to me, I'd want Gary Sheffield more than any other player I can think of as the one guy who could come in and return the Marlins to the promised land. For myself, Sheffield's "trade for me and then you have to deal with me" protestations will quickly dissipate. He and Jack were made for each other. I for one believe Gary can't help himself when it comes to playing baseball. He can't put on his cleats and not play the game the way he plays it, all heart, flat-out, every moment he's between the lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishfan79 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 the Sheff comment was towards the Mets only really. Because they screwed over his uncle Gooden often. He never would play for the mets and would retire first I bet then go there. I still believe if he came here he would enjoy it. Sheff and Gordon and cash for AJ and Enc. But otherwise keep AJ or do a trade with the Bosox for Hanely (my personal fav) and a SP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIUMarlinfan Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 Yeah this is happening. As for the Rays, we signed CC to a 6 year deal worth well under his value. No point in doing this for them. Theres is no prospect/combination of prospects on the Yanks that would equal the value of CC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NirvanaNole Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 I for one believe Gary can't help himself when it comes to playing baseball. He can't put on his cleats and not play the game the way he plays it, all heart, flat-out, every moment he's between the lines. 844142[/snapback] You must have forgot about his days with the Brewers. :lol If Sheffield was willing to come here and not whine, I'm all for getting him. Enc/prospects for Sheffield/cash. If they also want AJ, they better throw in Pavano and more cash in exchange for us giving them a couple prospects. Pavano/Sheffield/cash for AJ/Enc/Stokes/Johnson. :thumbup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishfan25 Posted July 7, 2005 Share Posted July 7, 2005 ewwww i dont want carl pavano back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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