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Regardless of what made sense or not, I think the move that may hurt us more on the long run is Mike Lowell's contract. Miguel could be playing 3rd now, and could have keep Lee or Pudge or signed one of the arms long term. I know it made some sense on the PR department, but wasn't the most logical move.

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I wouldn't say any of these were necessarily bad ideas, just some blew up on them. I'd say they should have looked a little more into the trends and risks hey were taking on with the LA trade and Lowell contract. Neither were the worst in Marlins history though. John Henry/Dave Dombrowski's clan wins that easily.

 

Given today's 'start' Leiter is going to win this vote easily, but he was the best 1 (or 2) year option for this team last offseason.

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Regardless of what made sense or not, I think the move that may hurt us more on the long run is Mike Lowell's contract. Miguel could be playing 3rd now, and could have keep Lee or Pudge or signed one of the arms long term. I know it made some sense on the PR department, but wasn't the most logical move.

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I think the worst decision made by the front office was not giving AJ Burnett a new contract at the start of this season. All around the league, you saw teams doing that with their young star pitchers - Johan Santana, Ben Sheets. Now, because those guys are locked in, AJ is the only stud young arm on the market and he's gonna be severely overpaid by some big-market team and we'll have zero shot.

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I wouldn't say any of these were necessarily bad ideas, just some blew up on them. I'd say they should have looked a little more into the trends and risks hey were taking on with the LA trade and Lowell contract. Neither were the worst in Marlins history though. John Henry/Dave Dombrowski's clan wins that easily.

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I agree, all of these move made sense. Even if we didn't like some of them.

 

to be honest, I wasn't happy with the LA move since I liked Choi and Penny a lot and thought we were a bit late to be contenders. That was the only move I was somewhat critical of.

 

With that said, trades still needs to be evaluated later.

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Mike Lowell thing you can't really blame them...I don't think anyone saw this coming.

 

Al Leiter...while 8 million was excessive and he had started to show signs of what he has been doing in recent years there still was no indication that he would be THIS bad.

 

Lee for Choi...move had to be made. It sucks looking back on it, but at the time Lee was unaffordable

 

Not resigning Pudge...I'm still on the side that this was a good move. I sure wouldn't want to be paying that man 10 million dollars two years from now.

 

Trade last year...probably their worst move, but would this team be any better if Penny and Choi were still around? I doubt it.

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Mike Lowell thing you can't really blame them...I don't think anyone saw this coming.

 

Al Leiter...while 8 million was excessive and he had started to show signs of what he has been doing in recent years there still was no indication that he would be THIS bad.

 

Lee for Choi...move had to be made. It sucks looking back on it, but at the time Lee was unaffordable

 

Not resigning Pudge...I'm still on the side that this was a good move. I sure wouldn't want to be paying that man 10 million dollars two years from now.

 

Trade last year...probably their worst move, but would this team be any better if Penny and Choi were still around? I doubt it.

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Even if Mike was doing good, you had Miguel to cover 3rd. we could have filled the void in LF via free agency.

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Mike Lowell thing you can't really blame them...I don't think anyone saw this coming.

 

Al Leiter...while 8 million was excessive and he had started to show signs of what he has been doing in recent years there still was no indication that he would be THIS bad.

 

Lee for Choi...move had to be made. It sucks looking back on it, but at the time Lee was unaffordable

 

Not resigning Pudge...I'm still on the side that this was a good move. I sure wouldn't want to be paying that man 10 million dollars two years from now.

 

Trade last year...probably their worst move, but would this team be any better if Penny and Choi were still around? I doubt it.

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Even if Mike was doing good, you had Miguel to cover 3rd. we could have filled the void in LF via free agency.

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Well, after not re-signing Pudge, we had to make a trade to get a catcher last year. We couldn't go any longer with having Redmond/Castro/Treanor as our catchers by committee. Getting Lo Duca, along with getting Encarnacion back, was a solid move, even if he had to give up a solid young arm in Brad Penny. We also got Mota, who last year was a much needed setup man to Armando Benitez because guys like Koch and Bump weren't gonna get it done.

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I think their worst move was not trading Mike Lowell at his peak

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I pushed heavily for that and got blasted. I defnitely think that would've been the best move. Would have allowed us to resign Pudge.

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keeping Lowell instead of DLee. If I remember correctly both were free agents about the same time. Instead of keeping a gold glove 1B they keep a player who plays only the first halves of season to make All-star games Now were stuck with a .211 hitter with zero power

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Mike Lowell thing you can't really blame them...I don't think anyone saw this coming.>>

 

 

No? He went the entire second half in a massive slump? You tell me no one worried a little bit about it carrying over into this season? I did.

 

 

Al Leiter...while 8 million was excessive and he had started to show signs of what he has been doing in recent years there still was no indication that he would be THIS bad.

 

 

 

I worried about bis age factor.It was a known fact that he had lost 6-8 mph off his fastball.But as far as just how bad he's been....I never saw this coming.I just thought $8 mil was alot for this guy.We couldn't of done better?

 

 

Lee for Choi...move had to be made. It sucks looking back on it, but at the time Lee was unaffordable

 

 

 

Well, we kept the core of our players ..and that was what we all were hoping for this time around.Choi fooled us though.He started off amazingly hot and then just totally went cold.

 

 

Not resigning Pudge...I'm still on the side that this was a good move. I sure wouldn't want to be paying that man 10 million dollars two years from now.

 

 

 

 

It had to be done.Otherwise we wouldn't of been able to afford Delgado and to keep the core of the rest of the team.We ended up with a 3 time allstar in LoDuca.We've done well to fill the void.[/font]

 

 

Trade last year...probably their worst move, but would this team be any better if Penny and Choi were still around? I doubt it.

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Their worst move? I guess the F/O never dreamed Mota would be this horrible. LoDuca is a positive.Penny is overrated and Choi is a lifetime .230 hitter who looks as though he'll never be a starter anywhere.At least that's the way it appears.It was not the worst trade ever,IMO.

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Today, I'll say Leiter as that one has really blown up. It will be very interesting to see if the FO will go ahead and release him at the break. He has been given several opportunities, and each time we get nothing but the same poor effort.

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Pudge Rodriguez.

 

Great heart and character and he was great for that pitching staff.

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Anyone happen to know Pudge's ERA when he was with us?

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2002 - 5.20 vs. 5.15 team

2003 - 3.82 vs. 4.04 team

2004 - 4.86 vs. 4.93 team

2005 - 3.89 vs. 3.90 team

Career - 4.70

 

But apparently he was being schooled by Redmond here and his coaches in Texas.

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I think their worst move was not trading Mike Lowell at his peak

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Would that be trading him in 2003? Keeping Lowell was a huge factor in the 2003 World Series run, and we wouldn't have done it without him. Who knows what sort of package we could have gotten for him, and where our long term chances would stand, especially now that he's become completely unproductive. I don't think anyone ever foresaw him having this type of meltdown. Even if you look at it in hindsight, fully aware of all future outcomes (both his slump and the world series ring), I wouldn't trade him. I wouldn't give up that '03 championship, to have a group of young productive players here now.

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The LA Trade with LoDuca,Mota, and Enc for Choi and Penny is one of the better trades...

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If you think about it...

 

LoDuca is hitting .288

Enc is hitting .287

Mota is 1-2 - 4.68

 

Choi is hitting .237

Penny is 5-5 - 3.43

 

I'd say we got the better end of the deal.

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Do we always have to do this?

IMO what made it a bad deal was that it was a youth/prospects for veterans deal intended to get us to the playoffs, it did not and it could be argued that it is a key reason why we did not. Add on top of that the bad contracts or bloated raises that were acquired while we're still a small-revenue team. And we could have gotten a lot more for the best starting pitcher available.

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Far and away the worst move has been signing Al Leiter to an 8 million dollar contract...he is pitching more like a league minimum type pitcher and to think that he is going to be on the Marlins books for another 3 years cause of deferred payments is even more sickening

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