http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/stor...yson&id=2219837

Nice article. Only twice has a pitcher lost to a guy with less wins and higher ERA. In 2001, Clemens over Mulder. And in 1984, Suttcliffe over Gooden (although Sutcliffe actually had more wins than Gooden if you count his wins in the American League). What a crock of shiat that Carpenter beat out Willis. D-Train got robbed!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad

I think it really comes down to the fact that Cards got into playoffs and Marlins didn't

That hasn't mattered all that much before in a situation like this (one guy with more wins and lower ERA).

I think it really comes down to the fact that Cards got into playoffs and Marlins didn't

 

 

maybe because willis was black :whistle ,just kidding

I think it really comes down to the fact that Cards got into playoffs and Marlins didn't

 

 

maybe because willis was black :whistle ,just kidding

:plain

I think it came down to St. Louis being in a more established market.

 

There are many arguments why Dontrelle should have edged out Carpenter. Admittedly it must have been very close in the minds of most voters. It would be easy to justify voting for one over the other, and it the end it becomes a personal preference, a bit of a popularity contest.

I think it really comes down to the fact that Cards got into playoffs and Marlins didn't

 

well we all know that its not supposed to matter if a team makes the playoffs because statistics like this are based on individual performance, similar to the MVP award but i'm sure theres some homerism there who writers would rather have win..a pitcher from the city with the greatest fans in the world or...well, us. jackasses.

Did anyone notice the reference in ther article to Valdez as:

 

Ismael "five innings and hit the showers" Valdez

 

Amusing.

From the Miami-Herald:

 

REGIONAL BIAS?

 

Members of the Baseball Writers Association of America vote on the Cy Young and Most Valuable Player awards.

 

Two voters from each of the 16 NL cities voted for the Cy Young, and there was a distinct geographic pattern to this year's voting.

 

All 12 voters who cover teams in the NL Central, the division that includes the Cardinals, gave Carpenter their first-place votes. Willis received most of his support from voters in NL East cities, including the two voters who cover the Marlins.

 

But there are six Central teams compared to five in the East, and the two ballots designated for the Atlanta chapter went to national writers because The Atlanta Journal-Constitution doesn't allow its writers to vote for the season-ending awards. Those two national writers voted for Carpenter.

 

''We're starting to see it a lot more,'' Jack O`Connell, secretary/treasurer of the BBWAA said of regionalism in voting tendencies.

 

The explanation, O'Connell said, likely stems from baseball's unbalanced schedule, which requires teams to play close to half their games against teams from their own division. As a result, writers (and, thus, potential voters) based on the West Coast or in the Midwest don't get as many opportunities to see the Marlins and Willis as do writers along the East Coast.

 

Likewise, writers for NL East teams didn't see as much of Carpenter.

Did anyone notice the reference in ther article to Valdez as:

 

Ismael "five innings and hit the showers" Valdez

 

Amusing.

 

Yeah, I actually LOL'ed at that :lol .

I also think D-train got robbed... but you really do have to hand it to Carpenter. The guy really did make an amazing comeback... and it takes a lot to come back from the injury that he had.

Actually, if you read the article, he says that if the voters voted in a traditionalist way (valuing wins and ERA over new age stats) Willis should have won.

 

Had voters looked at more new age stats and ignored wins as the greatest indicator of a pitcher's ability, Stark argues that Clemens should have won.

 

Personally I thought any of the three could win it and no one would have got robbed, though of course I would have rather seen the D-Train win because he's a Marlin.

OK, ERA and Wins aside, who had more complete game shut-outs? That to me is a good indicator of quality pitching...Go the distance, shut out the other team....