Don't now if it has been posted yet. If it was, my apologies. You can move it as you please (like always)...

 

PIERRE DEAL TO YANKS HAS MARLINS PERKIN?

 

December 2, 2005 -- The last time Juan Pierre played center field in Yankee Stadium, he helped the Marlins win the 2003 World Series.

 

Now, Pierre could be returning to The Bronx as the Yankees? center-fielder. The cash-dumping Marlins have asked for lefty Sean Henn and right-handed reliever Scott Proctor for Pierre, and the Yankees didn?t reject the offer.

 

When the Marlins started dumping salary by trading Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell to the Red Sox and Carlos Delgado to the Mets, the Yankees seemed cool on acquiring the 28-year-old Pierre.

 

However, with only Bubba Crosby to replace Bernie Williams, the Yankees have been keeping tabs on who?s available.

 

Possibly what makes Pierre attractive is that it?s likely a one-year deal, since Pierre can become a free agent after the season and the 2007 class of free agent center-fielders will include Andruw Jones, Torii Hunter and Mike Cameron. And there is always the possibility that Pierre performs well enough to be brought back.

 

Pierre is arbitration eligible after making $3.7 million last year.

 

According to several Sources, the Marlins also are shopping Pierre to Texas for pitching prospects and perhaps outfielder Laynce Nix, who annoyed Ranger brass by not playing winter ball after missing a good part of the season with an injury.

 

Pierre would give the Yankees speed in center field and the pure leadoff hitter they haven?t had since Chuck Knoblauch left after the 2001 season.

 

That would allow Derek Jeter to bat second, a spot he did with Knoblauch around when the Yankees won three straight World Series and came close to copping a fourth straight in 2001.

 

While Pierre is coming off a down season in which the career .305 hitter batted .276 with an on-base percentage of .326, he batted .326 with a .374 on-base percentage in 2004. He also swiped 57 bases in 74 attempts. And he hit lefties (.299) better than righties .270) last season.

 

When the other center fielders available are presented, Pierre stacks up. The Angels are shopping Darin Erstad and Steve Finley. The Dodgers are expected to trade Milton Bradley before Dec. 20. The Phillies asked for Chien-Ming Wang, possibly the Yankees? No. 3 starter, for Jason Michaels, who never has been a regular player. Carl Pavano?s name surfaced yesterday in a possible deal for Michaels. Tampa Bay could move Joey Gathright but he is raw.

 

Unless Johnny Damon?s wishes for a seven-year contract decrease, the Yankees aren?t interested.

 

The gamble in it for the Yankees is Henn. He is a 24-year-old lefty they thought enough of to promote from Double-A to the big leagues for an emergency start when Randy Johnson was scratched in May. In three games Henn was 0-3 with an 11.12 ERA. He was 5-5 with a respectable 3.23 ERA in 16 games for Columbus and 2-1 with an 0.71 ERA in four games for Double-A Trenton.

 

However, the emergence of Wang and the chance that RHP Phil Hughes, the No. 1 pick in 2004, could be ready for the big leagues in 2007, softens the blow of losing Henn.

scott proctor sucks

We can get way more than two horrible pitchers for Pierre.

I would trade JP for Milton Bradley and Navarro and say it was a good day's work, even though Bradley comes with a suitcase full of issues and the two will make at least as much as JP did this year, next.

 

Picking up Navarro gives the Marlins the best shot at trading LoDuca. I know some people here are down on Navarro, and of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but everything I read about the kid (he is a kid, 21 years old with five years in professional ball), and I mean everything, is that he's a fine handler of pitchers, really knows how to take charge and call a great game, has his head screwed on straight, and could be, exactly who the Marlins need to rebuild around over the next five years.

 

So the math would look like trade away JP (who everyone knows I think shouldn't be traded) save, roughly $5 million, acquire Bradley for one year at $3.5 million and Navarro at $350,000 for many years.

 

Another scenario might be to trade JP to the Mariners for Jeremy Reed and Yorvit Torrealba, who doesn't have anywhere the upside of Navarro, but in the interim, would serve as a much cheaper (but much less productive) alternative to Lo Duca.

 

Or I suppose another might be to just wait and see if the Dodgers cut Bradley and try to pick him up cheap. But if you're willing to take a chance on a Corey Patterson and his attendant problems, I'd rather take a chance on MB and his 25+ homerun potential and overall hitting skills (excellent bunter BTW) and hope that Girardi can keep the guy in check.

 

This team, especially with pitching shaping up the way it does, is going to need to score a ton more runs than last year and I submit Bradley might just be one way to accomplish that.

 

By the way, I still don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that the Marlins sign JP to a reasonable multi-year deal and perhaps use him for tradebait later, when our needs become my clear.

If you're blowing the whole f**king thing up, why get more young pitchers? Last I checked, our minor league system sucks in terms of position players, and outside of Hanley, it hasn't gotten a whole lot better.

 

I'm really close to just giving up on the whole "bright future" thing since it's obvious that Beinfest has no clue how to run a rebuilding when the team already has 20 million young, live armed pitchers...

If you're blowing the whole f**king thing up, why get more young pitchers? Last I checked, our minor league system sucks in terms of position players, and outside of Hanley, it hasn't gotten a whole lot better.

 

I'm really close to just giving up on the whole "bright future" thing since it's obvious that Beinfest has no clue how to run a rebuilding when the team already has 20 million young, live armed pitchers...

 

 

Well, the one good thing about it is everyone needs pitching. We can always use these pitching prospects in trades to acquire position players.

Most prospects don't pan out, the more you have the better the chance 2 or 3 do I guess is 1 positive. I do agree though that I don't like that we are taking on a ton of pitching prospects and not many position playing players.

If you're blowing the whole f**king thing up, why get more young pitchers? Last I checked, our minor league system sucks in terms of position players, and outside of Hanley, it hasn't gotten a whole lot better.

 

I'm really close to just giving up on the whole "bright future" thing since it's obvious that Beinfest has no clue how to run a rebuilding when the team already has 20 million young, live armed pitchers...

 

 

Well, the one good thing about it is everyone needs pitching. We can always use these pitching prospects in trades to acquire position players.

 

So...in a "seller's market" Beinfest ends up settling? Figures.

If your going to deal my favorite player....at least deal him for something we need or someone good...dont just deal to deal him.

If you're blowing the whole f**king thing up, why get more young pitchers? Last I checked, our minor league system sucks in terms of position players, and outside of Hanley, it hasn't gotten a whole lot better.

 

I'm really close to just giving up on the whole "bright future" thing since it's obvious that Beinfest has no clue how to run a rebuilding when the team already has 20 million young, live armed pitchers...

 

 

Well, the one good thing about it is everyone needs pitching. We can always use these pitching prospects in trades to acquire position players.

 

So...in a "seller's market" Beinfest ends up settling? Figures.

 

I agree....he shouldn't "settle" for anything as that implies just dumping salary. A guy like Pierre has very good trade value. OK, so the Marlins are dangling him. But they shouldn't make a trade unless it has strong value in return.

I HATE This trade.

 

It sucks hugely. Henn isnt that good of a prospect even grrr.

Most prospects don't pan out, the more you have the better the chance 2 or 3 do I guess is 1 positive. I do agree though that I don't like that we are taking on a ton of pitching prospects and not many position playing players.

 

 

Let's see what the team looks like when we start spring training.

 

The biggest problem here is we all (me included) have a habit of dissecting each move or proposed moved, in a vacuum. Unlike Swift, I think Beinfest does have a plan and he is doing his level best to execute it.

 

It may be that before it's all said and done we start trading prospects this off-season for the pieces we need, or we (the FO) think a year from now even if they don't fit into our plans, some of these kids could be worth a considerable amount more after another season in the minors.

Milton Bradley? Lance Nix?

 

I love the thought of trading Pierre now.

When the other center fielders available are presented, Pierre stacks up. The Angels are shopping Darin Erstad and Steve Finley. The Dodgers are expected to trade Milton Bradley before Dec. 20. The Phillies asked for Chien-Ming Wang, possibly the Yankees? No. 3 starter, for Jason Michaels, who never has been a regular player. Carl Pavano?s name surfaced yesterday in a possible deal for Michaels. Tampa Bay could move Joey Gathright but he is raw.

 

 

It doesnt say ANYTHING of us getting Bradly or Nix guys.

 

Those are propspective players for the yankees not us.

When the other center fielders available are presented, Pierre stacks up. The Angels are shopping Darin Erstad and Steve Finley. The Dodgers are expected to trade Milton Bradley before Dec. 20. The Phillies asked for Chien-Ming Wang, possibly the Yankees? No. 3 starter, for Jason Michaels, who never has been a regular player. Carl Pavano?s name surfaced yesterday in a possible deal for Michaels. Tampa Bay could move Joey Gathright but he is raw.

 

 

It doesnt say ANYTHING of us getting Bradly or Nix guys.

 

Those are propspective players for the yankees not us.

 

 

I brought up Bradley as an alternative, knowing the Dodgers want to move the guy and have had an interest in Pierre, at least according to previous rumors.

Rotoworld's take on this proposed deal:

 

The Marlins offered Juan Pierre to the Yankees for pitchers Sean Henn and Scott Proctor, according to the New York Post.

Supposedly, the Yankees are thinking about it. We'd be shocked if the Marlins couldn't get more than this from another team, if not the Cubs than maybe the Rangers or Mariners. Neither Henn nor Proctor qualifies as a building block. Dec. 2 - 2:31 pm et

Source: New York Post

 

 

 

Bring me Jeremy Reed

The marlins should trade JP and give me a shot I will play cf for the rock bottom price of 225k imagine the savings !