Actually it is down to two many expect JP and Ron Villione to get traded as well.

Good point, but I don't think many of us care that we're trading Blollone.

Plus each mlb team gets I think it is around 30 million a year from MLB national tv contract with Fox and Espn

 

 

Wrong as usual.

 

$2 million a year -XM Satellite Radio- cover every MLB game on radio, some also in Spanish and English- will also have MLB 24-Hour Radio Network- deal was signed on 10/20/04 and is worth 650M for 11 years starting in 2005 thru 2015

 

$300k a year - ESPN Radio- 6-year deal to broadcast Sunday Night Baseball games and various games throughout the season, as well as all of the postseason- deal worth $11M a year signed on 10/21/04 thru 2010 season

 

$1 million a year - ESPN .com: 6-year deal to cover MLB on internet worth $30M a year

 

$13.5 million a year Fox : 6-year contract thru 2006 season that gives FOX the right to carry a Saturday game of the week, the playoffs, the All-Star game and the World Series is worth about $2.5 billion (417M annually). Fox has an exclusive negotiating window with MLB to extend the deal. The window expires in December 2005.

When you add in profits from merchandise, etc., revenue sharing is about $30 million. Then the poor clubs get money through the luxury tax (I believe that's where they get it from, but I am not totally sure). I guess the Marlins got $30 million in MLB welfare last year. That's $60 million. In short, the Marlins didn't lose money last year.

Pierre will be gone because his salary take a chunk out of Loria's bottom line. With revenue sharing , MLB national contract , mlb merchandise , and even 15k a game , Loria will make a killing this year and than release statement to the press he invested alot of money into the 15 million dollar payroll and lost 20 million dollars this year.

 

This is not 1997-8. There is no reason for any Marlins owner to cook the books. The plight of the team's ability to turn a profit is well known among those in position to fix it.Than it would be fair to say you cant accurately know what exactly the Marlins financial situation is Nor do you. But I can give you a good idea. According to studies by Doug Pappas, teams make the bulk of their revenues from sources which the lease with Huizenga do not the Marlins access to.

 

 

The reduction of payroll is a means to the end of financial solvency, not Huizenga-like scaming. No one stands to gain anything by such a ludicrous statement.

 

Reduction of payroll to make a profit I am for that ,gutting the team investing nothing in terms of payroll when mlb gives you a boatload of money before one ticket is sold that is something completely different.

There's a thin line. From the base (core players, prospects) the Marlins had to operate from, I'm glad they've decided to cross it. The time was right for the "market correction".

Plus each mlb team gets I think it is around 30 million a year from MLB national tv contract with Fox and Espn

 

 

Wrong as usual.

 

$2 million a year -XM Satellite Radio- cover every MLB game on radio, some also in Spanish and English- will also have MLB 24-Hour Radio Network- deal was signed on 10/20/04 and is worth 650M for 11 years starting in 2005 thru 2015

 

$300k a year - ESPN Radio- 6-year deal to broadcast Sunday Night Baseball games and various games throughout the season, as well as all of the postseason- deal worth $11M a year signed on 10/21/04 thru 2010 season

 

$1 million a year - ESPN .com: 6-year deal to cover MLB on internet worth $30M a year

 

$13.5 million a year Fox : 6-year contract thru 2006 season that gives FOX the right to carry a Saturday game of the week, the playoffs, the All-Star game and the World Series is worth about $2.5 billion (417M annually). Fox has an exclusive negotiating window with MLB to extend the deal. The window expires in December 2005.

 

You'll notice as?hole I stated I think , well I stand corrected not 30 million but enough to more than cover the payroll when you add National and Local TV , and Revenue sharing , and MLB merchandising, and ticket sales. Loria still makes a massive profit

When you add in profits from merchandise, etc., revenue sharing is about $30 million. Then the poor clubs get money through the luxury tax (I believe that's where they get it from, but I am not totally sure). I guess the Marlins got $30 million in MLB welfare last year. That's $60 million. In short, the Marlins didn't lose money last year.

 

 

I think you're double-dipping.

When you add in profits from merchandise, etc., revenue sharing is about $30 million. Then the poor clubs get money through the luxury tax (I believe that's where they get it from, but I am not totally sure). I guess the Marlins got $30 million in MLB welfare last year. That's $60 million. In short, the Marlins didn't lose money last year.

 

Plus they did sell 1.8 million tickets last time i checked they werent giving them away, and while Wayne has screwed the marlins he doesnt get 100 percent of everything

You'll notice as?hole I stated I think...

 

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That's Mr. As?hole to you.

 

And you usual your thinking is wrong.

You'll notice as?hole I stated I think...

 

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That's Mr. As?hole to you.

 

And you usual your thinking is wrong.

 

nah just as?hole seems to fit you well

You'll notice as?hole I stated I think...

 

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That's Mr. As?hole to you.

 

And you usual your thinking is wrong.

 

nah just as?hole seems to fit you well

 

there is one reason and one reason alone to keep Pierre and that reason is for Dontrelle.

 

how do you think dontrelle feels already? all the players he started playing with are gone and pierre is his best friend, if the front office wants to keep dontrelle long term (which who knows if they really do) they need to keep him happy and trading pierre would NOT be too smart.

there is one reason and one reason alone to keep Pierre and that reason is for Dontrelle.

 

how do you think dontrelle feels already? all the players he started playing with are gone and pierre is his best friend, if the front office wants to keep dontrelle long term (which who knows if they really do) they need to keep him happy and trading pierre would NOT be too smart.

 

 

If they trade Castillo, I'm pretty sure they don't care about anyone's feelings.

Money has no feelings and judging by these trades money was the motive. It is bussiness not personal.

Plus each mlb team gets I think it is around 30 million a year from MLB national tv contract with Fox and Espn

 

 

Wrong as usual.

 

$2 million a year -XM Satellite Radio- cover every MLB game on radio, some also in Spanish and English- will also have MLB 24-Hour Radio Network- deal was signed on 10/20/04 and is worth 650M for 11 years starting in 2005 thru 2015

 

$300k a year - ESPN Radio- 6-year deal to broadcast Sunday Night Baseball games and various games throughout the season, as well as all of the postseason- deal worth $11M a year signed on 10/21/04 thru 2010 season

 

$1 million a year - ESPN .com: 6-year deal to cover MLB on internet worth $30M a year

 

$13.5 million a year Fox : 6-year contract thru 2006 season that gives FOX the right to carry a Saturday game of the week, the playoffs, the All-Star game and the World Series is worth about $2.5 billion (417M annually). Fox has an exclusive negotiating window with MLB to extend the deal. The window expires in December 2005.

 

Thats about $17 million, plus the ESPN tv contract which wasn't included.

When you add in profits from merchandise, etc., revenue sharing is about $30 million. Then the poor clubs get money through the luxury tax (I believe that's where they get it from, but I am not totally sure). I guess the Marlins got $30 million in MLB welfare last year. That's $60 million. In short, the Marlins didn't lose money last year.

 

Uhh... you counted revenue sharing twice.

 

And that over $60M were spent on just MLB player contracts. That's not including benefits. And the additional $40-90M in expenses not related to salaries to players on the 40-man roster according to various reports of MLB finances in recent years. With the Marlins' abusive lease, and the revered scouting department and training grounds in the DR, Venezuela and Europe they brought over from Montreal, you can expect that they're on the high end.

 

Consider the Marlins' other revenue sources. No skybox sales. Small attendance paying the cheapest ticket prices in the game. Scant shares of the profits from parking and concessions.

 

It's quite clear the Marlins had large operating losses and at best broke even thanks to welfare from third parties.

 

For 2006 figures, cut payroll by about 40% and gameday revenues by a bit. You're looking at hopefully turning a operating profit, to repair the Marlins' credit, and finally making money. For 2007 figures, take revenue sharing out and increase payroll commitment.

When you add in profits from merchandise, etc., revenue sharing is about $30 million. Then the poor clubs get money through the luxury tax (I believe that's where they get it from, but I am not totally sure). I guess the Marlins got $30 million in MLB welfare last year. That's $60 million. In short, the Marlins didn't lose money last year.

 

 

I think you're double-dipping.

 

I may be double-dipping and I probably exaggerated how much the Marlins received in MLB welfare. Each team gets $16.8 million (these are numbers you posted earlier) from MLB's TV and radio contracts. They also share merchandise licensing fees. I don't know how much that is, but I assume it is about $15 million per team. That's $32 million right there. Add in the profits form MLB.com and MLB Extra innings. Probably a good $10 million there. They get MLB welfare... probably around $10 million. That's $50 million. Gate receipts are probably at about $25 million. Parking and concessions are probably around $10 million (even though they could make much more if not for the bad lease). Add in the major corporate sponsors... another $5-10 million. Local TV and radio - another $5-10 million. That's $97-107 million. Loria is not losing $20 million per year.

 

By the way, these numbers are pretty close to Forbes' calcuations. http://www.forbes.com/finance/lists/33/200...3&datatype=Misc

and while Wayne has screwed the marlins he doesnt get 100 percent of everything

 

No, just 30% of gross parking, 63.5% of gross concessions, nearly all stadium advertising and 100% of sky box sales (which currently go to the bank to pay back stadium bonds).

stop saying pierre is going to stay. its pointless to think that. OBVIOUSLY the marlins are trying to get rid of ANYONE who makes 7 figures or whatever. pierre is gone, probably to whoever has the better farm system. I'm looking at the desperate Cubs. They need a CF and a leadoff man. Pierre is perfect. And, that smaller outfield helps him w/ his weak ass arm.

 

Take it easy JP. I can't root for you anymore because you are going to one of my top 5 hated teams.

The bottom line here is that Loria is about to collect a boat load of cash this upcoming year. What he does with it is the question of the day.

there is one reason and one reason alone to keep Pierre and that reason is for Dontrelle.

 

how do you think dontrelle feels already? all the players he started playing with are gone and pierre is his best friend, if the front office wants to keep dontrelle long term (which who knows if they really do) they need to keep him happy and trading pierre would NOT be too smart.

 

 

Well, there is more than one reason alone to keep Pierre. We would have a real leadoff hitter, a connection (albeit slim) to the past, and at least one veteran position player. Dontrelle strikes me as being a pretty resilient guy and he will rebound. But there is a chance he will not consider resigning with the Marlins once the time comes if the same ownership is in place. That is if they don't trade him before it even gets to that point. :wee

Here is what I think should happen.

 

Juan Pierre and Dontrelle Wills and Miguel Cabrera should demand trades. They don't desirve this, they desirve to have a legitamate shot at the world series. I would rather see them demand trades then have them stay on this crappy team!

 

 

SAVE THE MARLINS!

The bottom line here is that Loria is about to collect a boat load of cash this upcoming year. What he does with it is the question of the day.

 

 

In the end, that could be the most important decision in franchise history.

 

It could be a creative way to simply fund the stadium gap using "real" money, or it could just be another chapter in the deceitful ways of this offseason.

At first I wanted to keep Pierre, but we might as well get as much as we can right now. There is no point keeping him to make 2006 better, as it is obvious that the FO doesn't care much about the upcoming season...

More importantly than a boatload of cash, the Florida Marlins may restore their credit.