Well how much was Loria going to chip in originally? Wasn't it like 175 mil or something?

 

Cutting the payroll has already saved him more than 30 mil this year, and more than that in long term. If Huizenga gives 50 PLUS land, and the city gives 140 mil, I think that definitely closes the gap. If this is true, then Loria is just being selfish.

 

 

Loria was "chipping in" $212 million, but that was from the naming rights to the stadium, future rent payments, and initial luxury box sales...there was no upfront money being provided to fund start up costs. That's where the $30 million, later $80 million, gap came into play.

 

My hunch is that is still the hangup here, and Huizenga is willing to front the startup costs in return for an "off the top" portion of stadium profits over the course of probably ten or twenty years...something the Marlins probably aren't willing to go along with. Can't say I blame them completely, nor can I say that I don't find it foolish since they're essentially asking for a handout but unwilling to play fair.

Would you rather have a stadium with Huzienga getting healf the profits or no stadium and no team at all?

 

 

A stadium with Huizenga getting half the profits is what you have now, and that isn't working out very well is it???

 

Think. God gave you a brain, use it.

 

Perhaps he did not know that. No need to take shots at his intelligence.

 

The problem with the Marlins is it seems they are being very picky which I do not feel they have a right to other then making sure they get a good deal on a lease. If it's a matter of just not being able to come up with the rest of the money then Loria really needs to do some thinking and drop the pride act. Selig and MLB need to step up to the plate and help out aswell.

 

Actually I did know that. I am a diehard Marlins fan. I was trying to get to the point would you rather take a stadium with strings attached or have no stadium and no team. we need to take this offer because their is no ther offer on the table. This will put the stadium in the ideal location, and $50 million + of the money will taken care of.

 

This might be the best shot that the Marlins have and they need to take it.

Would you rather have a stadium with Huzienga getting healf the profits or no stadium and no team at all?

 

 

A stadium with Huizenga getting half the profits is what you have now, and that isn't working out very well is it???

 

Think. God gave you a brain, use it.

 

Perhaps he did not know that. No need to take shots at his intelligence.

 

The problem with the Marlins is it seems they are being very picky which I do not feel they have a right to other then making sure they get a good deal on a lease. If it's a matter of just not being able to come up with the rest of the money then Loria really needs to do some thinking and drop the pride act. Selig and MLB need to step up to the plate and help out aswell.

 

 

 

Actually I did know that. I am a diehard Marlins fan. I was trying to get to the point would you rather take a stadium with strings attached or have no stadium and no team. we need to take this offer because their is no ther offer on the table. This will put the stadium in the ideal location, and $50 million + of the money will taken care of.

 

This might be the best shot that the Marlins have and they need to take it.

not if Vegas, let's say, comes to them with a stadium on a platter... thats what they are weighing.

Would you rather have a stadium with Huzienga getting healf the profits or no stadium and no team at all?

 

 

A stadium with Huizenga getting half the profits is what you have now, and that isn't working out very well is it???

 

Think. God gave you a brain, use it.

 

Perhaps he did not know that. No need to take shots at his intelligence.

 

The problem with the Marlins is it seems they are being very picky which I do not feel they have a right to other then making sure they get a good deal on a lease. If it's a matter of just not being able to come up with the rest of the money then Loria really needs to do some thinking and drop the pride act. Selig and MLB need to step up to the plate and help out aswell.

 

 

 

Actually I did know that. I am a diehard Marlins fan. I was trying to get to the point would you rather take a stadium with strings attached or have no stadium and no team. we need to take this offer because their is no ther offer on the table. This will put the stadium in the ideal location, and $50 million + of the money will taken care of.

 

This might be the best shot that the Marlins have and they need to take it.

not if Vegas, let's say, comes to them with a stadium on a platter... thats what they are weighing.

 

But as Samson and the Marlins have said "Keeping the team in South Florida is our #1 priority."

 

If this deal doesn't work out or if the Marlins don't take it then you can say hello to the Las Vegas Gamblers!

They were reporting on the noon news that deal is in jeopardy because the Marlins have not respnded to Huzienga in the 3 weeks since the proposal.

 

They said the deal could be rescended very soon if the team does not respond.

 

Why are the Marlins not responding? Do they not want to keep the team in South Florida?

Sure they will and Pete Rose will be the manager

Of course Wayne is making offers. If the Marlins leave he loses that revenue. Getting anything is better than getting nothing. Unless it becomes personal, he'll reduce his demands on what he gets back in order to ensure that he continues to get something. That's sound business strategy.

 

 

Actually he would prefer they leave and not have to compete for either the retail (us) sports entertainment dollar or the corprorate ones (corp tix sales, advertising, marketing, co-branding, etc.). With 81 games versus 16 a competitive Marlins team cleans house.

 

The "real" sound business strategy.

 

If he really wanted to do the right thing Huizenga would sell the stadium back to county and they could then work with both partners (Dolphins and Marlins) to assure each is profitable. Each could have their use own sale of skyboxes, each could sell their own advertising, do their own deals etc.

How does he make money by getting rid of us? He loses all the revenue he's getting right now, and we aren't exactly a major draw and hurting the Dolphins' attendance. You're kidding yourself if you think we're competing with the Dolphins for most of South Florida's entertainment dollar. We were competitive the last three years and didn't draw. He's hedging his bet. If he offers land and money, he burnishes his public image (which Marlins diehards will see through but John Q Public won't). If they accept, he works in some requirements that benefit him. If they don't and leave, he loses the revenue, but he gets to claim he tried to help keep them here for the community. The worst scenario is they stay and get a stadium without him, and he gets nothing at all and has to compete with them for everything you mentioned. Wayne's best play is exactly what he's doing, offer to help but with strings attached.

Of course Wayne is making offers. If the Marlins leave he loses that revenue. Getting anything is better than getting nothing. Unless it becomes personal, he'll reduce his demands on what he gets back in order to ensure that he continues to get something. That's sound business strategy.

 

 

Actually he would prefer they leave and not have to compete for either the retail (us) sports entertainment dollar or the corprorate ones (corp tix sales, advertising, marketing, co-branding, etc.). With 81 games versus 16 a competitive Marlins team cleans house.

 

The "real" sound business strategy.

 

If he really wanted to do the right thing Huizenga would sell the stadium back to county and they could then work with both partners (Dolphins and Marlins) to assure each is profitable. Each could have their use own sale of skyboxes, each could sell their own advertising, do their own deals etc.

 

First of all its 81 vs 8 games.

 

The marlins on site would let him create his world, which he cant do without the marlins.

 

The Marlins play in the same stadium as the dolphins now and they arent competing with them, so I dont know what you are talking about. They dont play home games on the same days, and their seasons barely overlap, so I wouldnt say they compete for entertainment dollar when the dolphins are playing to capacity every game.

But as Samson and the Marlins have said "Keeping the team in South Florida is our #1 priority."

 

That is no longer the case IMO.

They were reporting on the noon news that deal is in jeopardy because the Marlins have not respnded to Huzienga in the 3 weeks since the proposal.

 

They said the deal could be rescended very soon if the team does not respond.

 

Why are the Marlins not responding? Do they not want to keep the team in South Florida?

 

 

That would mean the deal has been on the table before the Marlins received permission from MLB to explore relocation. Not a good sign.

 

The Marlins management sounds very unprofessional. At the very least they could reject the offer once and for all. If they don't like the offer, either reject it or give a counter-offer. Don't sit there touching your ass waiting for someone to just give you money. Losers.

at least this lights a public fire under the Marlins ass, and maybe push their true intentions (which I don't think we've seen yet) into the sunlight.

Huizenga has offered the Marlins free land on the site and discussed chipping in $50 million toward construction, sources said. Huizenga, who is believed to be losing patience, has not said whether he would expect a share of the stadium profits.

 

Exactly.

 

All you're hearing is Dolphins' officials why this is a good deal for Marlins. When by all reason, it is not. If the deal was as good as they say it was, Loria and Samson would be willing to atleast negotiate.

My guess is that Huizenga sees the situation a bit differently from some here. He thinks he has the upper hand, and is trying to lock the Marlins into major concessions.

At least Wayne Huzienga is trying to keep the Marlins in South Florida.

 

The Marlins need to take this deal because it is the only one on the table and the only one (for now) that will keep the Marlins in South Florida.

Ok so a deal that will put is in the same crippling financial situation just in a new building, that will result in the players we just got having to be sold off, and the players we get for them being sold off, etc etc in a gigantic vicious cycle is the best option because it keeps us here? I am sorry, but I fail to see your logig.

But as Samson and the Marlins have said "Keeping the team in South Florida is our #1 priority."

 

That is no longer the case IMO.

 

I agree. I think the #1 priority is getting the best stadium deal possible, whether it be in Las Vegas, Portland, South Florida, etc. This deal may have gained traction 6 months ago when the focus actually was South Florida, but now the FO has every intention of going wherever they can get a stadium for as little as possible from them.

Ok so a deal that will put is in the same crippling financial situation just in a new building, that will result in the players we just got having to be sold off, and the players we get for them being sold off, etc etc in a gigantic vicious cycle is the best option because it keeps us here? I am sorry, but I fail to see your logig.

 

What im trying to say is that the current deal is reportedly only for a small share of profits (WSVN noon news), would you rather only make 80cents on a dollar or have no team and no stadium.

 

Huzienga is offering the land and money not only because he wants to try and keep the team here, but on the business standpoint: He renevating the part of the city where Dolphins Stadium is to make it a sports complex. The ultimate sports complex would be a football and baseball stadium within a 1/4 mile of eachother with a hotel. It would put Miami on the map. It would also create new jobs, etc.

 

Their is no other plan on the table now. It is becoming more obvious that the Marlins do not want to keep the team down here. If this only shot (which it looks like) then the Marlins need to take it.

This might be hard for some South Florida fans to swallow, but while the situation looks hopeless, that is no reason to sign onto a deal that will not right the Marlins' financial problems and make any play for a stadium that would out of play for decades.

At least Wayne Huzienga is trying to keep the Marlins in South Florida.

 

The Marlins need to take this deal because it is the only one on the table and the only one (for now) that will keep the Marlins in South Florida.

 

 

Too bad he didn't have this grand vision before he sold the team off the first time.

:whistle

Ok so a deal that will put is in the same crippling financial situation just in a new building, that will result in the players we just got having to be sold off, and the players we get for them being sold off, etc etc in a gigantic vicious cycle is the best option because it keeps us here? I am sorry, but I fail to see your logig.

 

What im trying to say is that the current deal is reportedly only for a small share of profits (WSVN noon news), would you rather only make 80cents on a dollar or have no team and no stadium.

 

Huzienga is offering the land and money not only because he wants to try and keep the team here, but on the business standpoint: He renevating the part of the city where Dolphins Stadium is to make it a sports complex. The ultimate sports complex would be a football and baseball stadium within a 1/4 mile of eachother with a hotel. It would put Miami on the map. It would also create new jobs, etc.

 

Their is no other plan on the table now. It is becoming more obvious that the Marlins do not want to keep the team down here. If this only shot (which it looks like) then the Marlins need to take it.

 

So the current deal is only for a small share of profits? Is that what they said? Small share of profits could mean 40 percent. That's a lot.

"Keep the team down here"?

 

You don't live down here. You're in Orlando.

This might be hard for some South Florida fans to swallow, but while the situation looks hopeless, that is no reason to sign onto a deal that will not right the Marlins' financial problems and make any play for a stadium that would out of play for decades.

 

:thumbup

 

What I really don't understand is why there haven't been any articles on what Huizeinga is demanding which is fairly obvious that it is something similar to the current terms at Pro Player. You'd think the Marlins would want to 'leak' something so they don't continue to look so bad.

"Keep the team down here"?

 

You don't live down here. You're in Orlando.

 

 

And that has to do with?

 

I'll tell you what, here's some sand, go draw a line in it.

Isn't Miami already on the map? I mean it is a big city. The Dolphins and their undefeated season, a college BCS bowl, two WS titles since 97, "The U"(or at least their stadium), Shaq and D-Wadem, the fact that it is one of only 10 major american cities to house all 4 major pro sports(Miami, New York, Minneapolis, Dallas, Phoenix, Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Chicago, D.C.)...if those things havent put Miami on the Map, I dont think a new stadium next to an old stadium with a hotel sandwiched between would do the trick.

At least Wayne Huzienga is trying to keep the Marlins in South Florida.

 

The Marlins need to take this deal because it is the only one on the table and the only one (for now) that will keep the Marlins in South Florida.

 

 

Too bad he didn't have this grand vision before he sold the team off the first time.

:whistle

 

Wayne Huzienga should just buy the team back. Problem Solved.

 

Wayne has billions of dollars from his original company, Waste Management. A $125 million isn't that much to him. He was gonna spend $450 million to make Dolphins Stadium into a sports complex whats another $350 million.

Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?