May 2, 200620 yr I know I might get flamed for this, but I would rather keep DTrain. Personally I don't like Cabrera right now. I don't think he cares. At least Dontrelle plays with intensity and *wants* to do well. Guys like Uggla are out there working their @$$es off and are showing so much commitment. Miguel doesn't have a f***ing clue. I'm so tired of hearing these 'Cabrera doesn't care' comments. I'm sure those who make them are too.
May 2, 200620 yr Ok this is a trade D train post but I have heard no names :whistle That's because a) I think the post was made in jest b) It's already been covered ad nauseum in other threads c) it probably won't happen anyway
May 2, 200620 yr that mean this team going rebuilt from botton up like it was first year as marlins That team from 1993 would a**-beat this team -- this one is even worse than 1998/1999.
May 2, 200620 yr 7.1 IP 8ER...........it's OK to trade him now Most of which were not his fault at all and some of which he wasn't even pitching when they came in to score, they were charged to him because they were his baserunners. What a stupid, pointless thread. From the gamelogs and recaps, it seems poor defense played ANY part in allowing 2 runs to score. And that runner he left on was one, and he was standing on second base with 1 out (40.6% chance of scoring) Again, stop making up excuses for the 2005 Marlins. They are part of a team, the 2006 Marlins. You hate the 2006 Marlins, you hate them too. that mean this team going rebuilt from botton up like it was first year as marlins That team from 1993 would a**-beat this team -- this one is even worse than 1998/1999. Hahahaha. You have to be kidding.
May 2, 200620 yr Hahahaha. You have to be kidding. So far from what we have seen what makes you feel differently ? :mischief2
May 2, 200620 yr that mean this team going rebuilt from botton up like it was first year as marlins That team from 1993 would a**-beat this team -- this one is even worse than 1998/1999. Hahahaha. You have to be kidding. http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlib...1993marlins.stm I miss some of those guys like Brett Barbarie Sheff Benito and Bryan Harvey...We had Chuck Carr in CF...Maybe that team was better! Give it our present rotation it might have won 80 games
May 2, 200620 yr dont say you wanna trade dontrelle :confused At this point why not ? Get what you can for him right now. This season is lost, the fans are staying away in droves -- so Dontrelle is obviously not a draw any longer. See if you can get a 5 tool guy and a pitcher.
May 2, 200620 yr how about we keep both of them, stop having stupid threads like this and wait patiently and see what happens over hte next few years? Will the marlins be lucky to win 62 this year? Yes. Did we know this before? Yes. Does it matter right now? No, all that matters is the future.
May 2, 200620 yr Hahahaha. You have to be kidding. So far from what we have seen what makes you feel differently ? :mischief2 More what I've seen in 1998-9 and tracking the 2006' past performances. These are better prospects in a better situation. Give Willis any of our pitching prospects and they beat the pants off Livan and Alex Fernandez. There wasn't a damn player on the 1998 or 1999 clubs who played a significant amount of time that can hit like Cabrera and Willingham. Very few even hit as well as Uggla and Hanley have. And that's not even considering the impact Hermida and our pitching prospects (far better than what we had in 1998-9) will have.
May 2, 200620 yr Hahahaha. You have to be kidding. So far from what we have seen what makes you feel differently ? :mischief2 More what I've seen in 1998-9 and tracking the 2006' past performances. These are better prospects in a better situation. Give Willis any of our pitching prospects and they beat the pants off Livan and Alex Fernandez. There wasn't a damn player on the 1998 or 1999 clubs who played a significant amount of time that can hit like Cabrera and Willingham. Very few even hit as well as Uggla and Hanley have. And that's not even considering the impact Hermida and our pitching prospects (far better than what we had in 1998-9) will have. That's all speculative. Derrek Lee, Luis Castillo certainly did have their struggles in 1998 and in 1996 (when Castillo came up). But both did eventually become above average offensive players. Dan Uggla is a nice guy, but he can't hold Castillo's jock-strap when it comes to defense. And are you sure Mike Jacobs is the propect at 1st that Derrek Lee was ? If you're gonna compare you could sub Hammer for Lee and Hanley for Castillo (not position by position but for offense sake) then take the rest of the present Marlins and the 1998 Marlins and I don't see the rest of this bunch all that close to the 1998 squads prospects. At least so far -- to their credit its only been a month.
May 2, 200620 yr Yet somehow in as much time at the MLB level, Uggla, Willy and Hanley are doing a thousand times better than these players who LATER became stars. That's the point. The 1998 firesale was exactly that, a firesale. Get them out of here as fast as you can type thing. It took so long to rid Sheffield because we had to match contracts. If the team could have found someone to take on Fernandez' contract while an injury risk, they would have. Dombrowski was lucky to get good value from mass liquidation. This offseason, we saw much fewer and better deals for overall better players closer to being major league ready.
May 2, 200620 yr Yet somehow in as much time at the MLB level, Uggla, Willy and Hanley are doing a thousand times better than these players who LATER became stars. That's the point. The 1998 firesale was exactly that, a firesale. Get them out of here as fast as you can type thing. It took so long to rid Sheffield because we had to match contracts. If the team could have found someone to take on Fernandez' contract while an injury risk, they would have. Dombrowski was lucky to get good value from mass liquidation. This offseason, we saw much fewer and better deals for overall better players closer to being major league ready. i disagree completely...anibal and couple others that came over couldnt be more ready...but they are young and will struggle...on a team with more vets, these guys struggles would go virtually unnoticed but since we have so many its hard to find bright spots...but quite simply with guys like uggla and jacobs, if they didnt make it to the show soon, they would be out finding new jobs...i think han ram is ready offensively for the show but needed some seasoning defensively...this team is just getting to know each other and need a to grow together in order to win together...im all for cutting moehler and herges to let our young guys play, in sports there is only one way to learn...by failing
May 2, 200620 yr Many of the 1998 prospects that came over in trades were Jacobs-like (unsure young MLB talent) or had experience in low and high-A ball. Many of 2006 prospects acquired are a year or two above that.
May 2, 200620 yr Yet somehow in as much time at the MLB level, Uggla, Willy and Hanley are doing a thousand times better than these players who LATER became stars. That's the point. The 1998 firesale was exactly that, a firesale. Get them out of here as fast as you can type thing. It took so long to rid Sheffield because we had to match contracts. If the team could have found someone to take on Fernandez' contract while an injury risk, they would have. Dombrowski was lucky to get good value from mass liquidation. This offseason, we saw much fewer and better deals for overall better players closer to being major league ready. MLB ready ? :banghead
May 2, 200620 yr Has anyone acknowledged that most of the runs taxed on the D-Train were after he blew his lead, c'on now, one bad outing, he had a solid one through 6. No need to trade a proven pitcher am sorry! Maybe I'll trade you for a hamburger, I AM HUNGRY!
May 2, 200620 yr Many of the 1998 prospects that came over in trades were Jacobs-like (unsure young MLB talent) or had experience in low and high-A ball. Many of 2006 prospects acquired are a year or two above that. Last I checked, we came away with two pieces from the '98 fire-sale equal to or greater than anything we've gotten thus far in Lee and Burnett. Alou was a giveaway, Joe Fotenot (who we got for Nen) was meant to be something special. What else am I missing? Livan was later, Sheff/Bonilla/CJ later, White left as a FA, Fernandez was unmovable, Renteria was moved later. The last fire-sale brought equal or more quality as this one, just not quantity. I mean, Beckett and Lowell got us Hanley and Sanchez, Castillo got us absolutely nothing, Pierre got us Nolasco, LoDuca Gaby and Delgado Petit. We made 6 truly meaningful trades in 2006 and came away with 5 prospects with a real future, 6 if you include Jacobs (who I'm reluctant to do). In '98 we made 4 meaningful offseason trades and came away with 2 players who panned out and one who was meant to but never did. Same basic thing, just 8 years later and without a clear blueprint.
May 2, 200620 yr Many of the 1998 prospects that came over in trades were Jacobs-like (unsure young MLB talent) or had experience in low and high-A ball. Many of 2006 prospects acquired are a year or two above that. Last I checked, we came away with two pieces from the '98 fire-sale equal to or greater than anything we've gotten thus far in Lee and Burnett. Alou was a giveaway, Joe Fotenot (who we got for Nen) was meant to be something special. What else am I missing? Livan was later, Sheff/Bonilla/CJ later, White left as a FA, Fernandez was unmovable, Renteria was moved later. The last fire-sale brought equal or more quality as this one, just not quantity. I mean, Beckett and Lowell got us Hanley and Sanchez, Castillo got us absolutely nothing, Pierre got us Nolasco, LoDuca Gaby and Delgado Petit. We made 6 truly meaningful trades in 2006 and came away with 5 prospects with a real future, 6 if you include Jacobs (who I'm reluctant to do). In '98 we made 4 meaningful offseason trades and came away with 2 players who panned out and one who was meant to but never did. Same basic thing, just 8 years later and without a clear blueprint. Well said. But this time we already have our BLUEPRINTS in Cabrera AND Dontrelle. It'll be the same result, maybe better, now if only we can get a TRUE power pitcher.
May 2, 200620 yr now if only we can get a TRUE power pitcher. We've got like 5 of those. WHO would those be?
May 2, 200620 yr now if only we can get a TRUE power pitcher. We've got like 5 of those. WHO would those be? Sanchez, Olsen, Tucker, Johnson and Thompson. None are as special as a Beckett or Burnett, but they all sit in the low to mid-90's and still figure to add velocity as they fill out.
May 2, 200620 yr Yeah, but that is what I meant, I want a guy that can hit 98 on the gun. Why? A strike-out is a strike-out. Marlins have had plenty of flame-throwers under Loria and they've dumped 'em all.
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