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1) We should have traded Dontrelle Willis last winter. He will never be an ace in this league. He is having a very mediocore year this year. He has allowed more hits than innings pitched and his bb/k ratio is bad. Shoot me. Maybe we can still get higher value than he is worth.

 

2) Joe Borchard needs to be sent to Asia.

 

3) Jeremy Hermida. I know you have hit some nice homers this year. Where is the rest of your game? .211 BA. I know Ramp will just say to give him time. Should we wait until August until this piss poor overall perforamance becomes a concern?

 

4) Miguel Olivo. He had the year of his career last year and is following it up with a typical Miguel Olivo year. Maybe Spike was right last year.

 

5) I still hate Beinfest for being not acquiring a center fielder last offseason.

 

6) At least Hanley and Miguel are doing well offensively. Both of them need to get their heads out of their asses defensively.

 

7) Gotta love the sophomore slump of Scott Olsen and Taylor Tankerserly.

 

8) The bullpen has done a spot on job by and large, espeically Gregg (a good move by Beinfest), Lindstrom and Owens (a good move by Beinfest).

 

9) Sergio Mitre, great performances this year, too bad it seems he gets 1 run to work with or less every outing.

 

10) Carrying 13 pitchers in the National League is the absolute stupidest thing ever and whoever thought of that should have been fired on the spot. Then again its not like we know what a bench is anyway, so whats the point.

 

11) Aaron Boone has done a fine job for us. Why he continualy bats 8th is beyond me.

 

12) Reggie still sucks.

 

 

 

And there you go. Just some random overall thoughts. Feel free to comment or flame as you wish.

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Agree with you on a lot of points.....the team needs to strike while the Willis iron is hot.....soon he'll have no value at all if he keeps gettin hit around.

 

Borchard and Olivo blow....

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I read on article by ken rosethal or jason stark not sure. It said that the braves are looking for a pitcher to go along smoltz and hudson. He also said that the braves were interested in Willis and said Salty is available.

 

Would you guys trade Willis for Salty? (that would solve our catcher problems for a while)

 

if things continue like this for willis his value will keep dropping.

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I read on article by ken rosethal or jason stark not sure. It said that the braves are looking for a pitcher to go along smoltz and hudson. He also said that the braves were interested in Willis and said Salty is available.

 

Would you guys trade Willis for Salty? (that would solve our catcher problems for a while)

 

if things continue like this for willis his value will keep dropping.

 

 

 

salty seems like the real deal, but then again, its not like he has gotten a ton of at bats for teams to get a good book on him.

 

 

But...in the situation we are in, do I do it? Possibly.

 

seems like a whole lot of whining to me

 

 

 

as opposed to just sitting on one's hands?

 

It's just sad that we have no money whats so ever. I mean... if we got a good centerfielder and a good catcher this team probably would be pretty good. We have to rob Peter to pay Paul. Just sad :( .

 

*ends mini vent*

 

 

 

this team is making money, make no mistake. They are just the cheapest organization in all of sports. Takes a lot to wrestle that title away from Donald Sterling too.

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1) We should have traded Dontrelle Willis last winter. He will never be an ace in this league. He is having a very mediocore year this year. He has allowed more hits than innings pitched and his bb/k ratio is bad. Shoot me. Maybe we can still get higher value than he is worth.

 

2) Joe Borchard needs to be sent to Asia.

 

3) Jeremy Hermida. I know you have hit some nice homers this year. Where is the rest of your game? .211 BA. I know Ramp will just say to give him time. Should we wait until August until this piss poor overall perforamance becomes a concern?

 

4) Miguel Olivo. He had the year of his career last year and is following it up with a typical Miguel Olivo year. Maybe Spike was right last year.

 

5) I still hate Beinfest for being not acquiring a center fielder last offseason.

 

6) At least Hanley and Miguel are doing well offensively. Both of them need to get their heads out of their asses defensively.

 

7) Gotta love the sophomore slump of Scott Olsen and Taylor Tankerserly.

 

8) The bullpen has done a spot on job by and large, espeically Gregg (a good move by Beinfest), Lindstrom and Owens (a good move by Beinfest).

 

9) Sergio Mitre, great performances this year, too bad it seems he gets 1 run to work with or less every outing.

 

10) Carrying 13 pitchers in the National League is the absolute stupidest thing ever and whoever thought of that should have been fired on the spot. Then again its not like we know what a bench is anyway, so whats the point.

 

11) Aaron Boone has done a fine job for us. Why he continualy bats 8th is beyond me.

 

12) Reggie still sucks.

 

 

 

And there you go. Just some random overall thoughts. Feel free to comment or flame as you wish.

 

1) I wanted Willis, not Beckett, in the Boston deal. Glad to see a lot are coming around.

 

2) Yup

 

3) Why, so we can see more Joe Borchard?

 

4) Yup

 

5) Big time

 

6) Microcosm of the team overall, Hanley was spectacular in Atlanta and Miggy last night. Not really sure what either did badly today though, neither were getting the ones the pitcher hit the other way.

 

7) Tank's been more serviceable than Olsen. Julio allowed 1/4 of Tank's season earned runs. Not totally fair to look at his numbers.

 

8) I don't understand why we don't use Lindstrom more

 

9) Yup

 

10) Not that I disagree in theory, but what minor league bat do you want on our bench? Linden? I think we all realize Baker's the 2007 incarnation of Josh Willingham from '04 and '05.

 

11) The lineup in general is a head scratcher

 

12) Big time

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Fine, I'm game.

 

1) We should have traded Dontrelle Willis last winter. He will never be an ace in this league. He is having a very mediocore year this year. He has allowed more hits than innings pitched and his bb/k ratio is bad. Shoot me. Maybe we can still get higher value than he is worth.

And yet DTrain is still one of the most sought after pitcher's in all of baseball. Should we have traded him? Maybe, but unless we were getting an absolute haul then, it made no sense.

 

2) Joe Borchard needs to be sent to Asia.

Whatever that means... And it's not like he is blocking someone from getting PT

 

3) Jeremy Hermida. I know you have hit some nice homers this year. Where is the rest of your game? .211 BA. I know Ramp will just say to give him time. Should we wait until August until this piss poor overall perforamance becomes a concern?

Yes, you do wait until August. He is a 23 year old phenom who has 90 at bats to his name this year. Where is the patience from some of you?

 

4) Miguel Olivo. He had the year of his career last year and is following it up with a typical Miguel Olivo year. Maybe Spike was right last year.

He's not as great as he was last year, but he certainly isn't this bad either. Doesn't matter, he won't be here next season.

 

5) I still hate Beinfest for being not acquiring a center fielder last offseason.

On the one hand, I agree with you. Although he felt like Ross/De Aza could shoulder the load. And they looked pretty good until they were hurt. He didn't anticipate seeing Amezaga/Reggie out there. But I agree, not going after a CF is unacceptable.

 

6) At least Hanley and Miguel are doing well offensively. Both of them need to get their heads out of their asses defensively.

The Marlins have 2 errors their last 7 games or so. Things are turning around.... slowly

 

7) Gotta love the sophomore slump of Scott Olsen and Taylor Tankerserly.

Whine, whine whine. It's unimaginable to think that sophomores would have bad second seasons... oh wait, it's hasn't even be 2.5 months

 

10) Carrying 13 pitchers in the National League is the absolute stupidest thing ever and whoever thought of that should have been fired on the spot. Then again its not like we know what a bench is anyway, so whats the point.

I hate the 13 pitcher thing as well.

 

11) Aaron Boone has done a fine job for us. Why he continualy bats 8th is beyond me.

Easy answer. Olivo needs some protection even while he is hitting like poo. Otherwise he has absolutely none with the pitcher behind him. Let Boone continue to pick up his pieces until he)Olivo) goes on a mini tear

 

12) Reggie still sucks.

Well atleast you are giving us new ideas to think about.

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Fine, I'm game.

 

1) We should have traded Dontrelle Willis last winter. He will never be an ace in this league. He is having a very mediocore year this year. He has allowed more hits than innings pitched and his bb/k ratio is bad. Shoot me. Maybe we can still get higher value than he is worth.

And yet DTrain is still one of the most sought after pitcher's in all of baseball. Should we have traded him? Maybe, but unless we were getting an absolute haul then, it made no sense.

 

Oh come on, that's a product of the market.

 

We can't get for him now what we could have a season ago. We're dangerously close to the point of him having more value to the team/clubhouse/fans than he will return in a trade.

 

Even if 7 teams are calling about him, that's just because no one else on the market is the right combination of affordable (as in he's not walking till 2010) and durable (AKA, the non-Rich Harden category).

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1) We should have traded Dontrelle Willis last winter. He will never be an ace in this league. He is having a very mediocore year this year. He has allowed more hits than innings pitched and his bb/k ratio is bad. Shoot me. Maybe we can still get higher value than he is worth.

 

We probably could have traded him in the winter for a nice package, but I still believe that we could get a good deal for him right now. When you add up His past performances,his young age,personality,being a lefty,no history of injuries and the weak pitching market out there right now, we should still be able to get nice offers for him now and in the future.

2) Joe Borchard needs to be sent to Asia.

 

Asia is too close.

 

3) Jeremy Hermida. I know you have hit some nice homers this year. Where is the rest of your game? .211 BA. I know Ramp will just say to give him time. Should we wait until August until this piss poor overall perforamance becomes a concern?

 

Put me in the group that says he still needs more time. This is basically like spring training to him right now, he is still getting on base and he has shown power. He will be fine. Plus we have no other options and we need that lefty bat in the lineup.

 

4) Miguel Olivo. He had the year of his career last year and is following it up with a typical Miguel Olivo year. Maybe Spike was right last year.

 

Olivo sucks and Treanor should start all the games unless a lefty is pitching.

 

5) I still hate Beinfest for being not acquiring a center fielder last offseason.

 

I am tired of this statement. I mean, what if he did acquire a CF, but it was the wrong move? I am sure a lot of people would have been ecstatic if we traded Sergio Mitre for a Joey Gathright or something. Maybe he just didn't get the right offers and he is holding tight waiting for a certain guy. Shouldn't the bullpen he built from nothing give him some major prop points?

6) At least Hanley and Miguel are doing well offensively. Both of them need to get their heads out of their asses defensively.

 

I miss Perry Hill.

 

7) Gotta love the sophomore slump of Scott Olsen and Taylor Tankerserly.

 

Put me in the camp that says Olsen should be sent to Carolina or Jupiter to work on a third pitch. Without a change up, he will never be anything more than a 5th starter or bullpen guy. Batters are teeing off on his fastball. He does not have the control to be a two pitch guy.

8) The bullpen has done a spot on job by and large, espeically Gregg (a good move by Beinfest), Lindstrom and Owens (a good move by Beinfest).

 

I concur.

9) Sergio Mitre, great performances this year, too bad it seems he gets 1 run to work with or less every outing.

 

Mitre is awesome.

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Fine, I'm game.

 

1) We should have traded Dontrelle Willis last winter. He will never be an ace in this league. He is having a very mediocore year this year. He has allowed more hits than innings pitched and his bb/k ratio is bad. Shoot me. Maybe we can still get higher value than he is worth.

And yet DTrain is still one of the most sought after pitcher's in all of baseball. Should we have traded him? Maybe, but unless we were getting an absolute haul then, it made no sense.

 

Oh come on, that's a product of the market.

 

We can't get for him now what we could have a season ago. We're dangerously close to the point of him having more value to the team/clubhouse/fans than he will return in a trade.

 

Even if 7 teams are calling about him, that's just because no one else on the market is the right combination of affordable (as in he's not walking till 2010) and durable (AKA, the non-Rich Harden category).

And he's a pretty good pitcher too

 

I don't believe we can't get him now for what was offered then, not for a second.

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Fine, I'm game.

 

1) We should have traded Dontrelle Willis last winter. He will never be an ace in this league. He is having a very mediocore year this year. He has allowed more hits than innings pitched and his bb/k ratio is bad. Shoot me. Maybe we can still get higher value than he is worth.

And yet DTrain is still one of the most sought after pitcher's in all of baseball. Should we have traded him? Maybe, but unless we were getting an absolute haul then, it made no sense.

 

Oh come on, that's a product of the market.

 

We can't get for him now what we could have a season ago. We're dangerously close to the point of him having more value to the team/clubhouse/fans than he will return in a trade.

 

Even if 7 teams are calling about him, that's just because no one else on the market is the right combination of affordable (as in he's not walking till 2010) and durable (AKA, the non-Rich Harden category).

And he's a pretty good pitcher too

 

I don't believe we can't get him now for what was offered then, not for a second.

 

Depends on your definition of pretty good.

 

And if your second point is true, and we're going to inevitably trade him before this winter is over, then what's the point to bicker? You're essentially agreeing with me and Das.

 

Now, if you're going to tell me that we're not trading him, that he's going to be paid in line what he's worth and he won't be trusted with "ace" duties, great, fantastic, he has a place on this team.

 

If we're abandoning the 2006 strategy of Miggy/Dontrelle/Hanley in only year 2, I have to again begin questioning the long-term planning capability of Beinfest.

 

EDIT: Oh, wait, misread the double negative. There's plenty to bicker about :p . He won't return as much as he would have in the firesale winter, there's no doubt about that, and everything I've read suggested that teams are reluctant to part with the 3 blue chippers we want for Dontrelle, when all we heard last year was that the Marlins were, allegedly, turning away packages of 2 quality prospects and a major leaguer.

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My only concern is Olivo being our starting catcher. Most everything else, expecially the CF problem, is blown out of proportion.

 

K's are a problem and the bench is terrible.

 

 

You're right about the K's (That pisses me off almost as much as Olivo).

 

And our Bench is terrible now, but I think it's fine with a healthy Jacobs and Ross. Even if you discluded Amezaga, since there's no telling how De Aza will do, that still gives up a servicable backup catcher, a good hitter v.s. both hands who can play all IF positions except SS and possibly corner outfield aswell, a lefty killer who can play all 3 outfield positions, and Borchard (I got nothing here, other then him having a good year against RHP last year).

 

And by fine, I mean still one of the worst in baseball but not much we can do to improve it. I only see a reason in placing concern if we can produce a better product. Our bench, with the resources we have (Bitch about the Loria, and you likely won't be wrong, but it is what it is), we can't do much better.

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Fine, I'm game.

 

1) We should have traded Dontrelle Willis last winter. He will never be an ace in this league. He is having a very mediocore year this year. He has allowed more hits than innings pitched and his bb/k ratio is bad. Shoot me. Maybe we can still get higher value than he is worth.

And yet DTrain is still one of the most sought after pitcher's in all of baseball. Should we have traded him? Maybe, but unless we were getting an absolute haul then, it made no sense.

 

Oh come on, that's a product of the market.

 

We can't get for him now what we could have a season ago. We're dangerously close to the point of him having more value to the team/clubhouse/fans than he will return in a trade.

 

Even if 7 teams are calling about him, that's just because no one else on the market is the right combination of affordable (as in he's not walking till 2010) and durable (AKA, the non-Rich Harden category).

And he's a pretty good pitcher too

 

I don't believe we can't get him now for what was offered then, not for a second.

 

Depends on your definition of pretty good.

 

And if your second point is true, and we're going to inevitably trade him before this winter is over, then what's the point to bicker? You're essentially agreeing with me and Das.

 

Now, if you're going to tell me that we're not trading him, that he's going to be paid in line what he's worth and he won't be trusted with "ace" duties, great, fantastic, he has a place on this team.

 

If we're abandoning the 2006 strategy of Miggy/Dontrelle/Hanley in only year 2, I have to again begin questioning the long-term planning capability of Beinfest.

 

EDIT: Oh, wait, misread the double negative. There's plenty to bicker about :p . He won't return as much as he would have in the firesale winter, there's no doubt about that, and everything I've read suggested that teams are reluctant to part with the 3 blue chippers we want for Dontrelle, when all we heard last year was that the Marlins were, allegedly, turning away packages of 2 quality prospects and a major leaguer.

Can't really bicker until we see what we get for Dontrelle. Then again, with the way things are going with some of these arms, maybe Train ain't going anywhere.

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My only concern is Olivo being our starting catcher. Most everything else, expecially the CF problem, is blown out of proportion.

 

K's are a problem and the bench is terrible.

 

 

You're right about the K's (That pisses me off almost as much as Olivo).

 

And our Bench is terrible now, but I think it's fine with a healthy Jacobs and Ross. Even if you discluded Amezaga, since there's no telling how De Aza will do, that still gives up a servicable backup catcher, a good hitter v.s. both hands who can play all IF positions except SS and possibly corner outfield aswell, a lefty killer who can play all 3 outfield positions, and Borchard (I got nothing here, other then him having a good year against RHP last year).

 

And by fine, I mean still one of the worst in baseball but not much we can do to improve it. I only see a reason in placing concern if we can produce a better product. Our bench, with the resources we have (Bitch about the Loria, and you likely won't be wrong, but it is what it is), we can't do much better.

 

Even if we're healthy, the bench is the best you can put together when a bunch of guys making barely over the minimum, but it's hardly good. Given our resources one can't truly complain, but given the stated organizational aspirations, it's atrocious.

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Fine, I'm game.

 

1) We should have traded Dontrelle Willis last winter. He will never be an ace in this league. He is having a very mediocore year this year. He has allowed more hits than innings pitched and his bb/k ratio is bad. Shoot me. Maybe we can still get higher value than he is worth.

And yet DTrain is still one of the most sought after pitcher's in all of baseball. Should we have traded him? Maybe, but unless we were getting an absolute haul then, it made no sense.

 

Oh come on, that's a product of the market.

 

We can't get for him now what we could have a season ago. We're dangerously close to the point of him having more value to the team/clubhouse/fans than he will return in a trade.

 

Even if 7 teams are calling about him, that's just because no one else on the market is the right combination of affordable (as in he's not walking till 2010) and durable (AKA, the non-Rich Harden category).

And he's a pretty good pitcher too

 

I don't believe we can't get him now for what was offered then, not for a second.

 

Depends on your definition of pretty good.

 

And if your second point is true, and we're going to inevitably trade him before this winter is over, then what's the point to bicker? You're essentially agreeing with me and Das.

 

Now, if you're going to tell me that we're not trading him, that he's going to be paid in line what he's worth and he won't be trusted with "ace" duties, great, fantastic, he has a place on this team.

 

If we're abandoning the 2006 strategy of Miggy/Dontrelle/Hanley in only year 2, I have to again begin questioning the long-term planning capability of Beinfest.

 

EDIT: Oh, wait, misread the double negative. There's plenty to bicker about :p . He won't return as much as he would have in the firesale winter, there's no doubt about that, and everything I've read suggested that teams are reluctant to part with the 3 blue chippers we want for Dontrelle, when all we heard last year was that the Marlins were, allegedly, turning away packages of 2 quality prospects and a major leaguer.

Can't really bicker until we see what we get for Dontrelle. Then again, with the way things are going with some of these arms, maybe Train ain't going anywhere.

 

 

 

 

That would mean paying him. Like that is really going to happen.

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Fine, I'm game.

 

1) We should have traded Dontrelle Willis last winter. He will never be an ace in this league. He is having a very mediocore year this year. He has allowed more hits than innings pitched and his bb/k ratio is bad. Shoot me. Maybe we can still get higher value than he is worth.

And yet DTrain is still one of the most sought after pitcher's in all of baseball. Should we have traded him? Maybe, but unless we were getting an absolute haul then, it made no sense.

 

Oh come on, that's a product of the market.

 

We can't get for him now what we could have a season ago. We're dangerously close to the point of him having more value to the team/clubhouse/fans than he will return in a trade.

 

Even if 7 teams are calling about him, that's just because no one else on the market is the right combination of affordable (as in he's not walking till 2010) and durable (AKA, the non-Rich Harden category).

And he's a pretty good pitcher too

 

I don't believe we can't get him now for what was offered then, not for a second.

 

Depends on your definition of pretty good.

 

And if your second point is true, and we're going to inevitably trade him before this winter is over, then what's the point to bicker? You're essentially agreeing with me and Das.

 

Now, if you're going to tell me that we're not trading him, that he's going to be paid in line what he's worth and he won't be trusted with "ace" duties, great, fantastic, he has a place on this team.

 

If we're abandoning the 2006 strategy of Miggy/Dontrelle/Hanley in only year 2, I have to again begin questioning the long-term planning capability of Beinfest.

 

EDIT: Oh, wait, misread the double negative. There's plenty to bicker about :p . He won't return as much as he would have in the firesale winter, there's no doubt about that, and everything I've read suggested that teams are reluctant to part with the 3 blue chippers we want for Dontrelle, when all we heard last year was that the Marlins were, allegedly, turning away packages of 2 quality prospects and a major leaguer.

Can't really bicker until we see what we get for Dontrelle. Then again, with the way things are going with some of these arms, maybe Train ain't going anywhere.

 

And, again, if you're going to tell me he'll be here, then there's nothing to take issue with. If the Marlins went into the firesale thinking "not no way" on both Miggy and Dontrelle through their arbitration schedules, and likely past them, then I've got a problem. I'm not going to revisit the past or suggest I had a handle on the mindset at the time, but there are some real headscratchers that we've done since the 2005 offseason, Dontrelle, generally, being the center-piece of them.

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I have no clue what the status with Willis is. Nor do I know what it was back in 2005 either. If we eventually move him, we can all cryout if we get nothing special back, but I think he is still worth an absolute fortune on this market.

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Agree with you on a lot of points.....the team needs to strike while the Willis iron is hot.....soon he'll have no value at all if he keeps gettin hit around.

 

Borchard and Olivo blow....

borchards OBP is higher than any other bench options right now

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