Wild Card Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 Of Hanley Ramirez or Dan Uggla yet on the All-Star show. BOTH were snubbed, and still a good 20 minutes into the National League Selections they haven't been brought up once. This is slightly ridiculous. EVERYONE knows Miguel should have started, but I just can't see how Hanley and Dan can play in the same infield and be so ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFan9703 Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 It's because the Marlins don't have a big fan base. End of story. They didn't get enough votes, because of the lack of fans at the games. I agree Hanley and Uggla should have gone, but I honestly think Miggy is better as a backup and IS NOT the BEST third baseman in the NL, even though he is ONE OF the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 It's because the Marlins don't have a big fan base. End of story. They didn't get enough votes, because of the lack of fans at the games. I agree Hanley and Uggla should have gone, but I honestly think Miggy is better as a backup and IS NOT the BEST third baseman in the NL, even though he is ONE OF the best. What do fans have to do with reserves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbethan Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 It's because the Marlins don't have a big fan base. End of story. They didn't get enough votes, because of the lack of fans at the games. Not just at the games. On the internet too. 80% of the votes came in through the internet last year, and the fact that we couldn't even get that is sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateCabrera24 Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 I think Uggla got jobbed worse than Hanley. Face it, there were 4-5 SSs in the NL who had a legit case. I can live with Reyes and JJ Hardy making the team. Uggla should have made definitely made it, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 Freddy Sanchez? What a f***ing joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbethan Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 I agree Hanley and Uggla should have gone, but I honestly think Miggy is better as a backup and IS NOT the BEST third baseman in the NL, even though he is ONE OF the best. Player G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB OBP SLG AVG 1. M Cabrera 78 301 49 99 22 2 17 57 176 .392 .585 .329 2. D Wright 79 299 46 86 20 1 14 44 150 .377 .502 .288 Now honestly tell me that Wright deserved to beat Miggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted July 1, 2007 Author Share Posted July 1, 2007 It's because the Marlins don't have a big fan base. End of story. They didn't get enough votes, because of the lack of fans at the games. I agree Hanley and Uggla should have gone, but I honestly think Miggy is better as a backup and IS NOT the BEST third baseman in the NL, even though he is ONE OF the best. Are you on crack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geemoney Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Something tells me that .250 batting average (and perhaps the high number of K's) is what kept Uggla off the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlin Nation Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 It's because the Marlins don't have a big fan base. End of story. They didn't get enough votes, because of the lack of fans at the games. I agree Hanley and Uggla should have gone, but I honestly think Miggy is better as a backup and IS NOT the BEST third baseman in the NL, even though he is ONE OF the best. You smoke crack cocaine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DcFishFan Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I think Uggla got jobbed worse than Hanley. Face it, there were 4-5 SSs in the NL who had a legit case. I can live with Reyes and JJ Hardy making the team. Uggla should have made definitely made it, though. Don't think Freddy Sanchez should have made it, but Orlando Hudson's more deserving than Uggla: O-Dog only has 7 HRs to Uggla's 17, but his BA is 50 points higher, and OPS is 22 points higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Yeah, to me Hanley got jobbed worse than anyone. It's not a tough case to make that he's better than the starting short-stop, yet he doesn't even get a spot on the roster. Hanley's #2 among NL SS in BA (Renteria) #2 in OPS (Renteria) #2 in SB's (Reyes) #1 in SB% (min 20 attempts) #2 in runs (Rollins) #2 in RC (Reyes) #1 in RC/27. Seriously, he's such a super-snub it's nauseating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heckeroo Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I guess Uggla would've been there, but Pirates need someone, and Freddy Sanchez is the 2nd best pick there (Gorzelanny would've been a much better pick, he was actually deserving in the first place) My immediate reaction when I saw they didn't make it was outrage, but you really can't take anything away from Hudson or Hardy. If anything, they should've just added more SS's on the NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DcFishFan Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Something tells me that .250 batting average (and perhaps the high number of K's) is what kept Uggla off the team. Don't know about that. Grady Sizemore's only got 3 fewer Ks and he made the all-star team. Miggy and Prince Fielder are up there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgleason02 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Hanley's defense probably hurt his chances more than anything. He's committed the second highest number of errors out of all major league shortstops. Hitting is just one part of being an all-star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Hanley's defense probably hurt his chances more than anything. He's committed the second highest number of errors out of all major league shortstops. Hitting is just one part of being an all-star. Errors are a tremendously flukey stat (most of Hanley's are throwing errors that a league average 1st baseman turns into outs). The only SS who I give the absolute nod to over Hanley defensively is Hardy. Renteria's tremendously overrated, as is Reyes. Now, Hanley's not going to win a gold-glove this year, but neither are any of the other guys going or who should be going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FishFanInPA Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Something tells me that .250 batting average (and perhaps the high number of K's) is what kept Uggla off the team. Ding Ding Ding.....Logic finally prevails!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgleason02 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 But isn't that the scorekeeper's job, to determine if it was a throwing error on the fielder, or a missed catch by the first baseman. Then, after making the assessment, the scorer gives the error to the proper player. So, how then, can you say that a league average first baseman would cut down on Hanley's errors? If it's the first baseman's fault for Hanley's errors, wouldn't the scorekeeper just give the error to the first baseman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FishFanInPA Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I'm surprised none of you are bitchin that Olsen didn't make it..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I'm surprised none of you are bitchin that Olsen didn't make it..... and yet no one is surprised that you brought Olsen up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geemoney Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Something tells me that .250 batting average (and perhaps the high number of K's) is what kept Uggla off the team. Don't know about that. Grady Sizemore's only got 3 fewer Ks and he made the all-star team. Miggy and Prince Fielder are up there too. Sizemore is hitting 35 points higher and has 23 SBS. Miggy's avg. is like 70 points higher. Fielder has 10 more homers and is hitting 30 points higher. I didn't mean JUST K's kept him off the team, but it may have been in combo with his avg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urumotherpucker94 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Uggla made it last year, and he has better numbers this year than last year. Some pages are mentioning that Hanley should've made it, but no mention of Uggla. Also mentioning that Cabrera has better numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrimsonCane Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Hitting is just one part of being an all-star. Tell that to starting AL 1B David Ortiz. The fact that Hanley didn't make this team is a joke. The fan selection, 1 player per team minimum, and home field advantage are all absolutely terrible aspects of this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 But isn't that the scorekeeper's job, to determine if it was a throwing error on the fielder, or a missed catch by the first baseman. Then, after making the assessment, the scorer gives the error to the proper player. So, how then, can you say that a league average first baseman would cut down on Hanley's errors? If it's the first baseman's fault for Hanley's errors, wouldn't the scorekeeper just give the error to the first baseman? Scoring decisions are by the book. If the throw is in the dirt and Boone is unable to pick it, no matter how easy the pick may be, if he doesn't record an out, the errors on the thrower (in this example, Hanley) eventhough it shouldn't really be his error. In the game of baseball, it's incredibly hard to have an error charged to you if you are the recipient of a throw. Hell, the whole process of error scoring is beyond arbitrary, for example, Hanley had a ball roll off his glove/arm this afternoon that was scored a hit. Even I (the most passionate Hanley supporter) could see that it should be an error, but it wasn't. To evaluate a player's defensive ability on errors is foolish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buccanes Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 hanley was a snub. uggla not surprised. 1 SS reserve is a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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