I truly love the people that want to move Cabrera simply because they don't like him. Finances not considered, talent not considered, they just don't like him. That one's brilliant. Intangi-scale ho!!!

 

These are the same people who would rather have Juan Pierre and David Eckstein because they have "heart" and "positive attitudes."

 

You forgot Paul LoDuca. PUNTOlicious

I truly love the people that want to move Cabrera simply because they don't like him. Finances not considered, talent not considered, they just don't like him. That one's brilliant. Intangi-scale ho!!!

 

i might have missed some posts just cause i was skimming it but whos said they dont like cabrera? i know my point is in response to all those that think if he moves to 1B he will be a plus defender...and his attitude...i think we all recognize that he is the best hitter around and that the marlins will eventually move him due to thier constraints(unless we get a stadium deal before next yr)...i mean wouldnt you agree all things considered that cabs attitude can sometimes be...sub par?

 

No, not in the slightest. He cares a hell of a lot about the games, he's nice to kids and he puts up numbers regardless of what may or may not be going on off the field.

 

Maybe Dontrelle and Olsen should follow his example.

 

And the Marlins should, and have to, make every concession possible to keep Cabrera. He's a once in a lifetime talent. Trading him is the end of the fanbase.

 

And he's a fierce competitor who plays through injuries that would land other players on the DL. The only "sub-par attitude" I can think of was back in 2005, with the veterans comment. I don't buy the whole "disciplinary lapses" BS; it's just a way to justify trading him in the future, IMO.

I truly love the people that want to move Cabrera simply because they don't like him. Finances not considered, talent not considered, they just don't like him. That one's brilliant. Intangi-scale ho!!!

 

i might have missed some posts just cause i was skimming it but whos said they dont like cabrera? i know my point is in response to all those that think if he moves to 1B he will be a plus defender...and his attitude...i think we all recognize that he is the best hitter around and that the marlins will eventually move him due to thier constraints(unless we get a stadium deal before next yr)...i mean wouldnt you agree all things considered that cabs attitude can sometimes be...sub par?

 

No, not in the slightest. He cares a hell of a lot about the games, he's nice to kids and he puts up numbers regardless of what may or may not be going on off the field.

 

Maybe Dontrelle and Olsen should follow his example.

 

And the Marlins should, and have to, make every concession possible to keep Cabrera. He's a once in a lifetime talent. Trading him is the end of the fanbase.

 

And he's a fierce competitor who plays through injuries that would land other players on the DL. The only "sub-par attitude" I can think of was back in 2005, with the veterans comment. I don't buy the whole "disciplinary lapses" BS; it's just a way to justify trading him in the future, IMO.

Well of course YOU don't. You're a fanboy of his.

I truly love the people that want to move Cabrera simply because they don't like him. Finances not considered, talent not considered, they just don't like him. That one's brilliant. Intangi-scale ho!!!

 

i might have missed some posts just cause i was skimming it but whos said they dont like cabrera? i know my point is in response to all those that think if he moves to 1B he will be a plus defender...and his attitude...i think we all recognize that he is the best hitter around and that the marlins will eventually move him due to thier constraints(unless we get a stadium deal before next yr)...i mean wouldnt you agree all things considered that cabs attitude can sometimes be...sub par?

 

No, not in the slightest. He cares a hell of a lot about the games, he's nice to kids and he puts up numbers regardless of what may or may not be going on off the field.

 

Maybe Dontrelle and Olsen should follow his example.

 

And the Marlins should, and have to, make every concession possible to keep Cabrera. He's a once in a lifetime talent. Trading him is the end of the fanbase.

 

And he's a fierce competitor who plays through injuries that would land other players on the DL. The only "sub-par attitude" I can think of was back in 2005, with the veterans comment. I don't buy the whole "disciplinary lapses" BS; it's just a way to justify trading him in the future, IMO.

Well of course YOU don't. You're a fanboy of his.

 

Fangirl.

I truly love the people that want to move Cabrera simply because they don't like him. Finances not considered, talent not considered, they just don't like him. That one's brilliant. Intangi-scale ho!!!

 

i might have missed some posts just cause i was skimming it but whos said they dont like cabrera? i know my point is in response to all those that think if he moves to 1B he will be a plus defender...and his attitude...i think we all recognize that he is the best hitter around and that the marlins will eventually move him due to thier constraints(unless we get a stadium deal before next yr)...i mean wouldnt you agree all things considered that cabs attitude can sometimes be...sub par?

 

No, not in the slightest. He cares a hell of a lot about the games, he's nice to kids and he puts up numbers regardless of what may or may not be going on off the field.

 

Maybe Dontrelle and Olsen should follow his example.

 

And the Marlins should, and have to, make every concession possible to keep Cabrera. He's a once in a lifetime talent. Trading him is the end of the fanbase.

 

And he's a fierce competitor who plays through injuries that would land other players on the DL. The only "sub-par attitude" I can think of was back in 2005, with the veterans comment. I don't buy the whole "disciplinary lapses" BS; it's just a way to justify trading him in the future, IMO.

Well of course YOU don't. You're a fanboy of his.

 

Fangirl.

fanboy is unisex :thumbup

You forgot Paul LoDuca. PUNTOlicious

Excellent use of vocabulary.

 

Don't forget the intangibles of Darin Erstad though. He's PUNTolicious.

If a stadium deal were to be locked up, is there any chance it can be before Cabreras contract ends in 08?

i think it all about saving money their donot care if anyone go to game those two player what people come to see and other guy two

If a stadium deal were to be locked up, is there any chance it can be before Cabreras contract ends in 08?

He wont be a free agent until after the '09 season.

Wow i feel like a retard, not knowing for sure when Miggy is FA, especially being on this board every day and reading this entire thread, (asks for slap in the neck)

You forgot Paul LoDuca. PUNTOlicious

Excellent use of vocabulary.

 

Don't forget the intangibles of Darin Erstad though. He's PUNTolicious.

 

 

Throw me a bone on intangi-scale once in a while though. Erstad's running a sweet 1.103.

You forgot Paul LoDuca. PUNTOlicious

Excellent use of vocabulary.

 

Don't forget the intangibles of Darin Erstad though. He's PUNTolicious.

 

 

Throw me a bone on intangi-scale once in a while though. Erstad's running a sweet 1.103.

dude, you didn't carry the 1... it;s a sweet 1.203

That said, this is the perfect time to trade Miguel. In all honesty, we easily have one of the most talented offensive clubs in the game. If you trade Miguel, you're going to get ANYTHING your heart desires. Two years into the mix, we now know exactly what we have in all of our weapons. If you trade Miguel, you fill up ANY and ALL holes this team has, and you still have Hanley Ramirez, Dan Uggla, Jeremy Hermida, Josh Willingham, and even Mike Jacobs to round out the heart of the order... And if Jeremy can produce the numbers that we're all now certain he can (.290, 30, 100), you won't miss a beat in the batting order... You'd still have three 30+ homer guys.

Wrong on all accounts.

 

No he's not. He did, however, skip one point. We could very possibly get a guy in return that knows what a glove is meant for.

I would miss Miggy's bat. But not his attitude or his defense. If the trade were right, it would not be the end of the world to see Miggy in another uniform next year.

Yea, getting back Laroche, Kemp, Kershaw and Broxton would be nice and soften the blow.... but trading arguably the most gifted player in baseball at age 24 would be absolutely retarded. I don't care who we get back. There's not a big enough package, (imo), that can replace Cabrera.

 

If only your exagerration were true. He may be ONE OF THE MOST gifted hitters in MLB right now, but no where near the most gifted PLAYER. Look at our offensive numbers this year and then look at our defensive numbers this year and figure out which led to a losing season. We can win without his bat but we can't win with a prima donna playing a blue collar position. The only way I am for keeping Miggy is if he can be convinced playing 1B is his idea so that he will actually put some heart into the position. Jake then would become expendable and could be coupled with someone like Andino for some talent to fill holes.

Ok. He's the most gifted hitter in baseball.

 

I disagree with everything else you say. You are talking about letting him leave like he is a Dan Uggla talent. That is no disrespect to Uggla who is a very nice player, but Miguel Cabrera is in the pantheon of awesome hitters. You don't just let him walk because YOU think he's a prima donna that's doesn't give a sh*t. That's not true.

 

and what do you think Jake and Andino can bring us?

 

I think you are misreading me, or something. I don't dislike Miggy. Especially his bat. And I have said many times I think he could play 3B very well. If he wanted to. He has shown flashes at times in games he deemed big. Hence PART of the reason I tag him with the prima donna title. That's my definition of him, others have other things they decide to call him. And no where have I have even hinted at letting him leave with anything at all like a Dan Uggla trade. I have said if he were to be traded I would want ALOT in return for him. But my preference has always been to get him to want to switch to 1B. Trade is second. But I also believe that because of the offensive numbers this TEAM has put up in it's two seasons together that trading him won't be as end of the world as some seem to think it will be.

 

Since I have never thrown any names around and have said consistently that I don't believe in speculating about trades (who to get for who), the rest of this little chat is moot.

I truly love the people that want to move Cabrera simply because they don't like him. Finances not considered, talent not considered, they just don't like him. That one's brilliant. Intangi-scale ho!!!

 

I don't think anyone here has said they don't like him.

see here is my question...and id like to see cabrera stay...but if hes lazy at 3B and a lot of people want to move him to first whats to say he wont be equally as lazy there? to me it almost seems like it doesnt matter where he plays he needs an attitude overhaul. i do think fredi needs to be more in your face next year and we need to sign some solid vets to provide leadership...because to me this year its kinda obvious that cabrera doesnt want to be the outspoken leader of the fish

 

You are closer to my way of thinking. One good point you bring up is the veteran leadership role. Maybe, but just maybe, that would help Miggy's overall game. Maybe not.

 

But to me this whole topic is kinda moot. Miggy is going to leave. Maybe not this year. But probably by next year. And alot of folks are going to be blaming ownership. And they will be wrong. Miggy's new agency will be behind it. They will be wanting him to go someplace where he can really bring in the big $$$, not only in a contract but more so in off the field $$$ that a large market will allow him. They (and Miggy) already showed that last off season when the Marlins kept upping their offers and Miggy's camp held fast even to the point of going to arbitration over a few 100K at the end of it all.

 

That being said, and if anyone else wants to actually realize and admit it, it would be in our best interests to move him when/if we can get alot in return. It would be idiotic to NOT listen to offers, keep holding out until that one comes along that we just can't turn down, and then pull the trigger and take the heat from the few fans we have.

I truly love the people that want to move Cabrera simply because they don't like him. Finances not considered, talent not considered, they just don't like him. That one's brilliant. Intangi-scale ho!!!

 

i might have missed some posts just cause i was skimming it but whos said they dont like cabrera? i know my point is in response to all those that think if he moves to 1B he will be a plus defender...and his attitude...i think we all recognize that he is the best hitter around and that the marlins will eventually move him due to thier constraints(unless we get a stadium deal before next yr)...i mean wouldnt you agree all things considered that cabs attitude can sometimes be...sub par?

 

No, not in the slightest. He cares a hell of a lot about the games, he's nice to kids and he puts up numbers regardless of what may or may not be going on off the field.

 

Maybe Dontrelle and Olsen should follow his example.

 

And the Marlins should, and have to, make every concession possible to keep Cabrera. He's a once in a lifetime talent. Trading him is the end of the fanbase.

 

And he's a fierce competitor who plays through injuries that would land other players on the DL. The only "sub-par attitude" I can think of was back in 2005, with the veterans comment. I don't buy the whole "disciplinary lapses" BS; it's just a way to justify trading him in the future, IMO.

Well of course YOU don't. You're a fanboy of his.

 

Fangirl.

fanboy is unisex :thumbup

 

Wouldn't that be uniperson?

If a stadium deal were to be locked up, is there any chance it can be before Cabreras contract ends in 08?

He wont be a free agent until after the '09 season.

 

And it would take an MLB record breaking contract that even the Yankees would flinch at to get him to stay here. His agents are going to want that "other" money and are going to stay right in his ear about it. Even after we trade him. It's $$$ out of their pockets too and they know they have a rare talent with a bat.

 

Of course it would be fun to see him get that kind of contarct here IF, and I did say IF, I could listen in on the phone call from the owner of the Mariners to Tin Boy.

see here is my question...and id like to see cabrera stay...but if hes lazy at 3B and a lot of people want to move him to first whats to say he wont be equally as lazy there? to me it almost seems like it doesnt matter where he plays he needs an attitude overhaul. i do think fredi needs to be more in your face next year and we need to sign some solid vets to provide leadership...because to me this year its kinda obvious that cabrera doesnt want to be the outspoken leader of the fish

 

You are closer to my way of thinking. One good point you bring up is the veteran leadership role. Maybe, but just maybe, that would help Miggy's overall game. Maybe not.

 

But to me this whole topic is kinda moot. Miggy is going to leave. Maybe not this year. But probably by next year. And alot of folks are going to be blaming ownership. And they will be wrong. Miggy's new agency will be behind it. They will be wanting him to go someplace where he can really bring in the big $$, not only in a contract but more so in off the field $$ that a large market will allow him. They (and Miggy) already showed that last off season when the Marlins kept upping their offers and Miggy's camp held fast even to the point of going to arbitration over a few 100K at the end of it all.

 

That being said, and if anyone else wants to actually realize and admit it, it would be in our best interests to move him when/if we can get alot in return. It would be idiotic to NOT listen to offers, keep holding out until that one comes along that we just can't turn down, and then pull the trigger and take the heat from the few fans we have.

Wrong, Bob. It would be the ownership's fault. They knew exactly what the fiscal realities of their situation were. Had they wanted to keep Cabrera long term, they could have come to him somewhere between 2004-2006 with a fair 5-6 year contract and bought out his arbitration years. Did they? No. Why? Because doing so would subvert their credibility when panhandling to local and state lawmakers. They thought that crying poor would bring them the support they needed to secure public funds. And now they're left with a harsh reality: they gambled Cabrera in hopes to get a stadium, but they have yet to get a stadium and in all likelihood have lost Cabrera.

Please fire anyone on the trade Cabrera side of this division.

I concur.

 

 

UUHH buddy I think Miguel is a once in a lifetime player!!

see here is my question...and id like to see cabrera stay...but if hes lazy at 3B and a lot of people want to move him to first whats to say he wont be equally as lazy there? to me it almost seems like it doesnt matter where he plays he needs an attitude overhaul. i do think fredi needs to be more in your face next year and we need to sign some solid vets to provide leadership...because to me this year its kinda obvious that cabrera doesnt want to be the outspoken leader of the fish

 

You are closer to my way of thinking. One good point you bring up is the veteran leadership role. Maybe, but just maybe, that would help Miggy's overall game. Maybe not.

 

But to me this whole topic is kinda moot. Miggy is going to leave. Maybe not this year. But probably by next year. And alot of folks are going to be blaming ownership. And they will be wrong. Miggy's new agency will be behind it. They will be wanting him to go someplace where he can really bring in the big $$, not only in a contract but more so in off the field $$ that a large market will allow him. They (and Miggy) already showed that last off season when the Marlins kept upping their offers and Miggy's camp held fast even to the point of going to arbitration over a few 100K at the end of it all.

 

That being said, and if anyone else wants to actually realize and admit it, it would be in our best interests to move him when/if we can get alot in return. It would be idiotic to NOT listen to offers, keep holding out until that one comes along that we just can't turn down, and then pull the trigger and take the heat from the few fans we have.

Wrong, Bob. It would be the ownership's fault. They knew exactly what the fiscal realities of their situation were. Had they wanted to keep Cabrera long term, they could have come to him somewhere between 2004-2006 with a fair 5-6 year contract and bought out his arbitration years. Did they? No. Why? Because doing so would subvert their credibility when panhandling to local and state lawmakers. They thought that crying poor would bring them the support they needed to secure public funds. And now they're left with a harsh reality: they gambled Cabrera in hopes to get a stadium, but they have yet to get a stadium and in all likelihood have lost Cabrera.

 

Yeah...that, and last year SFX was the one that wanted very badly to get a deal done. The Marlins were the party that made the take it or leave it offer.

 

Besides, SFX loves South Florida, Fernando Cuza's a South Florida resident.

SFX?

see here is my question...and id like to see cabrera stay...but if hes lazy at 3B and a lot of people want to move him to first whats to say he wont be equally as lazy there? to me it almost seems like it doesnt matter where he plays he needs an attitude overhaul. i do think fredi needs to be more in your face next year and we need to sign some solid vets to provide leadership...because to me this year its kinda obvious that cabrera doesnt want to be the outspoken leader of the fish

 

You are closer to my way of thinking. One good point you bring up is the veteran leadership role. Maybe, but just maybe, that would help Miggy's overall game. Maybe not.

 

But to me this whole topic is kinda moot. Miggy is going to leave. Maybe not this year. But probably by next year. And alot of folks are going to be blaming ownership. And they will be wrong. Miggy's new agency will be behind it. They will be wanting him to go someplace where he can really bring in the big $$, not only in a contract but more so in off the field $$ that a large market will allow him. They (and Miggy) already showed that last off season when the Marlins kept upping their offers and Miggy's camp held fast even to the point of going to arbitration over a few 100K at the end of it all.

 

That being said, and if anyone else wants to actually realize and admit it, it would be in our best interests to move him when/if we can get alot in return. It would be idiotic to NOT listen to offers, keep holding out until that one comes along that we just can't turn down, and then pull the trigger and take the heat from the few fans we have.

Wrong, Bob. It would be the ownership's fault. They knew exactly what the fiscal realities of their situation were. Had they wanted to keep Cabrera long term, they could have come to him somewhere between 2004-2006 with a fair 5-6 year contract and bought out his arbitration years. Did they? No. Why? Because doing so would subvert their credibility when panhandling to local and state lawmakers. They thought that crying poor would bring them the support they needed to secure public funds. And now they're left with a harsh reality: they gambled Cabrera in hopes to get a stadium, but they have yet to get a stadium and in all likelihood have lost Cabrera.

 

 

Whatever. Some folks refuse to see the reality of it unless Miggy and his agent actually show up at their house and tell them personally. Miggy's MG status has some believing he wants to remain a Marlin for life regardless of the $$$ he will be missing out on elsewhere. And his agent agrees.

 

Reality check. Or wasn't anybody actually paying attention last off season?

Yeah...that, and last year SFX was the one that wanted very badly to get a deal done. The Marlins were the party that made the take it or leave it offer.

 

Besides, SFX loves South Florida, Fernando Cuza's a South Florida resident.

 

I guess no body was paying attention last winter. And now making up their own facts.

 

The Marlins upped their offer to Miggy several times in the off season. Miggy and his agent stood fast on what they wanted to the point they took it to arbitration over a few $100K. Go to the Marlins web site or the PBP in that time frame. I'm sure the other papers have the same thing.

 

Or just believe what you want about one of our MGs. It makes for better ownership bashing when he does get traded.

SFX?

 

That's his new agent group. Hired them last year. They are going to make a bundle off him in endorsements alone. Just not here. And anyone that thinks they are naive enough to agree to some kind of hometown discount on an extended contract and forgo the lucrative endorsements that come from playing in a large market to stay here are... well... naive themselves.

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