And you want a .680 .OPS guy (Amezaga) along with Andino (Version 2.0, only worse) to platoon at 2B with Coghlan?

I don't get it...we have an All-Star 2B...and you want to trade him for something the team already has (a corner OF'er)...to have Coghlan and 2 bench players platoon at 2B?

 

If Uggla gets traded...Coghlan should play everyday. Why the hell wouldn't he?

 

Btw...the fact that Andino played 3 YEARS in the PCL...and STILL has mediocre (to be nice) minor league #'s goes to show how "ungood" he is.

 

I don't want the "25th guy on the roster" (as you, yourself called him) getting 15 starts at 2B next year...unless if there are injuries involved.

You have amazing problems with reading comprehension. I have never said I want to deal Uggla, I have consistently said I would prefer to keep him but if the organization feels differently, that wouldn't be the end of the world as we have internal options. And concerning the corner OF, I have no idea where that is coming from, but if you mean we hypothetically trade Uggla for someone like Colby Rasmus, that would be such a WIN for us it doesn't even matter that we currently have outfielders in the organization.

 

Coghlan, as well as Maybin, and G. Sanchez, and McPherson, will not play everyday (at least at first) next year because they are rookies (or in essence rookies with Dallas), and rookies (especially ones jumping from AA) usually struggle through periods as the competition jump is high. I have confidence in all of them, but you want to ease them in slowly, and have veteran presences behind them to ensure the transition is smooth. This works in the outfield with Cody, who can spell Maybin. This works in the infield with Cantu, who can spell either of them. And if the Marlins trade Uggla, this will work at 2B because Amezaga (who splits out better to RHP, which I said but you ignore) and Andino (who has hit alright in the minors, despite whatever 'ungood' words you want to use), can both ease in the transition with Coghlan. Sure, pick up on mild ideas like what are we going to do against lefties. Who the F cares, honestly. It's all about providing a safety net of development (which you clearly do not understand) if we are going to play these younger players. You are incredibly harping on details, and missing the main point.

If the team wants to improve on defense, playing Coughlin is not a move in the right direction. Merely inserting Cantu at 1B would cut down on throwing errors, both his and all the balls that Jacobs never picked. Also, putting Maybin in CF and Ross in LF will immediately improve the OF defense.

 

 

That would go against the theory of cutting down on strikeouts, considering McPherson would be playing 3B.

Cantu DID improve his throwing in the 2nd half.

 

I couldn't care less about strikeouts, and frankly I don't think that McPherson is going to cut it, but he is going to be give a chance.

And you want a .680 .OPS guy (Amezaga) along with Andino (Version 2.0, only worse) to platoon at 2B with Coghlan?

I don't get it...we have an All-Star 2B...and you want to trade him for something the team already has (a corner OF'er)...to have Coghlan and 2 bench players platoon at 2B?

 

If Uggla gets traded...Coghlan should play everyday. Why the hell wouldn't he?

 

Btw...the fact that Andino played 3 YEARS in the PCL...and STILL has mediocre (to be nice) minor league #'s goes to show how "ungood" he is.

 

I don't want the "25th guy on the roster" (as you, yourself called him) getting 15 starts at 2B next year...unless if there are injuries involved.

You have amazing problems with reading comprehension. I have never said I want to deal Uggla, I have consistently said I would prefer to keep him but if the organization feels differently, that wouldn't be the end of the world as we have internal options. And concerning the corner OF, I have no idea where that is coming from, but if you mean we hypothetically trade Uggla for someone like Colby Rasmus, that would be such a WIN for us it doesn't even matter that we currently have outfielders in the organization.

 

Coghlan, as well as Maybin, and G. Sanchez, and McPherson, will not play everyday (at least at first) next year because they are rookies (or in essence rookies with Dallas), and rookies (especially ones jumping from AA) usually struggle through periods as the competition jump is high. I have confidence in all of them, but you want to ease them in slowly, and have veteran presences behind them to ensure the transition is smooth. This works in the outfield with Cody, who can spell Maybin. This works in the infield with Cantu, who can spell either of them. And if the Marlins trade Uggla, this will work at 2B because Amezaga (who splits out better to RHP, which I said but you ignore) and Andino (who has hit alright in the minors, despite whatever 'ungood' words you want to use), can both ease in the transition with Coghlan. Sure, pick up on mild ideas like what are we going to do against lefties. Who the F cares, honestly. It's all about providing a safety net of development (which you clearly do not understand) if we are going to play these younger players. You are incredibly harping on details, and missing the main point.

 

 

Ah...veteran presence. The overrated word.

Alfredo Amezaga and Robert Andino (seriously...we're talking about the SAME Robert Andino, right? ) are not the "veteran presences" you're looking for when talking about platoon options.

 

Also...I'd be willing to bet ANYTHING that you are wrong. Cameron Maybin will get ALL the games next year, unless if he truly begins to slump to the point where he's getting close to the Mendoza Line.

 

Second...you keep mentioning Colby Rasmus. Wouldn't that mean we'd have to get another player to platoon with him? I mean, if Maybin platoons / gets some time off "b/c he's a rookie"...Rasmus MUST be a platoon player next year, as well because...well...umm...he's young.

 

So basically for every rookie we have...we're gonna need a platoon partner. If only MLB allowed us to carry 20 position players, we'd be alright.

 

The only platoon you're going to see from a rookie next year might be at 1B...Gaby Sanchez might not play everyday...as McPherson will probably get some playing time.

 

Aside from that...

IF the team trades Uggla,

Coghlan will be your everyday 2B, just like Maybin will be your everyday CF'er.

 

As far as Andino being a "decent minor league hitter," he wasn't. The #'s speak for themselves. He's a flat out mediocre hitter.

 

You continuing to talk about how he improved is, rather, irrelevant.

It's irrelevant that Robert Andino's best year as a minor leaguer was his last, at the age of 24, in the PCL (not a hitters' league or anything ), where he couldn't even post impressive #'s...IN THE PCL.

 

By your calculations, with "Amezaga playing 1/3 of the games against RHP" and Andino playing "the rest" (which you basically said was 15 games)...that's WAY TOO MANY GAMES from bench players, at 2B. Especially when these guys are replacing an All-Star 2B.

 

If Uggla leaves, the only significant playing time Andino will be seeing, will be as a defensive replacement in the late innings (if that). Amezaga will do what he does best. One of the better utility players in baseball, who can do different things off the bench, and possibly fill a gap at a position IF A PLAYER GETS INJURED.

If the team wants to improve on defense, playing Coughlin is not a move in the right direction. Merely inserting Cantu at 1B would cut down on throwing errors, both his and all the balls that Jacobs never picked. Also, putting Maybin in CF and Ross in LF will immediately improve the OF defense.

 

 

That would go against the theory of cutting down on strikeouts, considering McPherson would be playing 3B.

Cantu DID improve his throwing in the 2nd half.

 

I couldn't care less about strikeouts, and frankly I don't think that McPherson is going to cut it, but he is going to be give a chance.

 

The front office does.

Ah...veteran presence. The overrated word.

Alfredo Amezaga and Robert Andino (seriously...we're talking about the SAME Robert Andino, right? ) are not the "veteran presences" you're looking for when talking about platoon options.

 

Also...I'd be willing to bet ANYTHING that you are wrong. Cameron Maybin will get ALL the games next year, unless if he truly begins to slump to the point where he's getting close to the Mendoza Line.

 

Second...you keep mentioning Colby Rasmus. Wouldn't that mean we'd have to get another player to platoon with him? I mean, if Maybin platoons / gets some time off "b/c he's a rookie"...Rasmus MUST be a platoon player next year, as well because...well...umm...he's young.

 

So basically for every rookie we have...we're gonna need a platoon partner. If only MLB allowed us to carry 20 position players, we'd be alright.

 

The only platoon you're going to see from a rookie next year might be at 1B...Gaby Sanchez might not play everyday...as McPherson will probably get some playing time.

 

Aside from that...

IF the team trades Uggla,

Coghlan will be your everyday 2B, just like Maybin will be your everyday CF'er.

 

As far as Andino being a "decent minor league hitter," he wasn't. The #'s speak for themselves. He's a flat out mediocre hitter.

 

You continuing to talk about how he improved is, rather, irrelevant.

It's irrelevant that Robert Andino's best year as a minor leaguer was his last, at the age of 24, in the PCL (not a hitters' league or anything ), where he couldn't even post impressive #'s...IN THE PCL.

 

By your calculations, with "Amezaga playing 1/3 of the games against RHP" and Andino playing "the rest" (which you basically said was 15 games)...that's WAY TOO MANY GAMES from bench players, at 2B. Especially when these guys are replacing an All-Star 2B.

 

If Uggla leaves, the only significant playing time Andino will be seeing, will be as a defensive replacement in the late innings (if that). Amezaga will do what he does best. One of the better utility players in baseball, who can do different things off the bench, and possibly fill a gap at a position IF A PLAYER GETS INJURED.

You are really having a bad day.

 

Maybin is not going to start 162 games next year, neither is Coghlan if Uggla goes. Maybe you are hung up on this word platoon, but giving these guys 120ish starts is pretty much making them the predominant starter, while giving enough leeway to not completely overwhelm or overexpose them. This is exactly what I've been saying forever, and exactly what the Marlins should do if they don't come out gangbusters like Hanley (very unlikely) because their growth into above average starters is the most important longterm thing this organization can do. Concerning a player like Rasmus, whose to say we would even call him up after his relative failure of an AAA season. This point is irrelevant and needs no further discussion. Also, we don't need 20 position players as you sarcastically muse, we need 13. Baker/RH catcher, 1B/3B Cantu, McPherson, and Gaby, Hanley SS, OF - Cody, Maybin, Hermida, Gonzo/4th OF, and probably Amezaga as the 5th OF, and assuming Uggla is traded, Coghlan would be the logical call up, Amezaga is the bench constant, and if you're counting at home, that is 12 people and the 13th can either be Andino, some nominal bench IF they acquire, or even another OF like Carroll, De Aza, whatever. That's a solid mix of veterans and youth, and the versatility of the team would be enormous. Your next contention is the difference in words between decent and mediocre. Decent, mediocre. Neither of those words are "good," and are really the same word. I am not 12 like other posters on the board that will post webster dictionary entries nor do I want to argue this, but I have no problem if you want to characterize him as a mediocre milb hitter. That term is just the same to me. All I suggested was he could be a solid 25th man next year, as a 2nd middle infielder who can get a few games at 2B, who can also spot in the outfield, is quick, and could potentially hit in the mid/high .600 OPS range like Amezaga. And maybe even replace him as the bench infield guy in future years if he were to figure it out. His numbers and progression support that. It's also not like I did not point out his stats were accrued in the PCL, so please don't insinuate I am over-looking things.

 

And finally, replacing Uggla, an allstar 2B is impossible. There is NO WAY the Marlins can replicate his offensive production no matter who they throw out there. The trick would be to maximize what you have, and that is going to be some sort of combination of playing time between predominantly Coghlan, some Amezaga, and probably a third player, like another bench infielder, who could come in for some games as well.

Ah...veteran presence. The overrated word.

Alfredo Amezaga and Robert Andino (seriously...we're talking about the SAME Robert Andino, right? ) are not the "veteran presences" you're looking for when talking about platoon options.

 

Also...I'd be willing to bet ANYTHING that you are wrong. Cameron Maybin will get ALL the games next year, unless if he truly begins to slump to the point where he's getting close to the Mendoza Line.

 

Second...you keep mentioning Colby Rasmus. Wouldn't that mean we'd have to get another player to platoon with him? I mean, if Maybin platoons / gets some time off "b/c he's a rookie"...Rasmus MUST be a platoon player next year, as well because...well...umm...he's young.

 

So basically for every rookie we have...we're gonna need a platoon partner. If only MLB allowed us to carry 20 position players, we'd be alright.

 

The only platoon you're going to see from a rookie next year might be at 1B...Gaby Sanchez might not play everyday...as McPherson will probably get some playing time.

 

Aside from that...

IF the team trades Uggla,

Coghlan will be your everyday 2B, just like Maybin will be your everyday CF'er.

 

As far as Andino being a "decent minor league hitter," he wasn't. The #'s speak for themselves. He's a flat out mediocre hitter.

 

You continuing to talk about how he improved is, rather, irrelevant.

It's irrelevant that Robert Andino's best year as a minor leaguer was his last, at the age of 24, in the PCL (not a hitters' league or anything ), where he couldn't even post impressive #'s...IN THE PCL.

 

By your calculations, with "Amezaga playing 1/3 of the games against RHP" and Andino playing "the rest" (which you basically said was 15 games)...that's WAY TOO MANY GAMES from bench players, at 2B. Especially when these guys are replacing an All-Star 2B.

 

If Uggla leaves, the only significant playing time Andino will be seeing, will be as a defensive replacement in the late innings (if that). Amezaga will do what he does best. One of the better utility players in baseball, who can do different things off the bench, and possibly fill a gap at a position IF A PLAYER GETS INJURED.

You are really having a bad day.

 

Maybin is not going to start 162 games next year, neither is Coghlan if Uggla goes. Maybe you are hung up on this word platoon, but giving these guys 120ish starts is pretty much making them the predominant starter, while giving enough leeway to not completely overwhelm or overexpose them. This is exactly what I've been saying forever, and exactly what the Marlins should do if they don't come out gangbusters like Hanley (very unlikely) because their growth into above average starters is the most important longterm thing this organization can do. Concerning a player like Rasmus, whose to say we would even call him up after his relative failure of an AAA season. This point is irrelevant and needs no further discussion. Also, we don't need 20 position players as you sarcastically muse, we need 13. Baker/RH catcher, 1B/3B Cantu, McPherson, and Gaby, Hanley SS, OF - Cody, Maybin, Hermida, Gonzo/4th OF, and probably Amezaga as the 5th OF, and assuming Uggla is traded, Coghlan would be the logical call up, Amezaga is the bench constant, and if you're counting at home, that is 12 people and the 13th can either be Andino, some nominal bench IF they acquire, or even another OF like Carroll, De Aza, whatever. That's a solid mix of veterans and youth, and the versatility of the team would be enormous. Your next contention is the difference in words between decent and mediocre. Decent, mediocre. Neither of those words are "good," and are really the same word. I am not 12 like other posters on the board that will post webster dictionary entries nor do I want to argue this, but I have no problem if you want to characterize him as a mediocre milb hitter. That term is just the same to me. All I suggested was he could be a solid 25th man next year, as a 2nd middle infielder who can get a few games at 2B, who can also spot in the outfield, is quick, and could potentially hit in the mid/high .600 OPS range like Amezaga. And maybe even replace him as the bench infield guy in future years if he were to figure it out. His numbers and progression support that. It's also not like I did not point out his stats were accrued in the PCL, so please don't insinuate I am over-looking things.

 

And finally, replacing Uggla, an allstar 2B is impossible. There is NO WAY the Marlins can replicate his offensive production no matter who they throw out there. The trick would be to maximize what you have, and that is going to be some sort of combination of playing time between predominantly Coghlan, some Amezaga, and probably a third player, like another bench infielder, who could come in for some games as well.

 

162 games? No. Around 140-150? Why not?

They won't play 162 b/c that's just rare, period.

 

As far as "there is NO WAY" to replace Uggla. That's not what I'm saying at all. As a matter of fact, I've been calling Uggla "replaceable" since...forever. My point is, I don't think you can even come close to replacing him, having guys like Amezaga & Andino playing that many games, next year. THAT'S what I'm saying.

 

Also...do you think the Marlins are a playoff contender in '09? Judging by your comments on Rasmus (starting in AAA), it seems like you think this team is another year, or so, away.

MarlinsLou, I appreciate your analysis of the Marlins. But one thing you may want to consider is the Marlins history with platooning. Over the years, you and others make suggestions for platoons at various positions. That is all well and good, but the Marlins just aren't a team that does platoons. When a player wins a position, it is theirs until they are injured or slump, then someone else gets a shot. There have been situations over past few seasons that called for platoons to be used but the Marlins refuse to employ them. So while it is interesting to analyze platoon possibilities, those types of theoretical platoons you propose will always remain theoretical.

Beinfest threatened to shake up the team earlier this year if I remember correctly, but nothing came of that. We'll see.

Ah...veteran presence. The overrated word.

Alfredo Amezaga and Robert Andino (seriously...we're talking about the SAME Robert Andino, right? ) are not the "veteran presences" you're looking for when talking about platoon options.

 

Also...I'd be willing to bet ANYTHING that you are wrong. Cameron Maybin will get ALL the games next year, unless if he truly begins to slump to the point where he's getting close to the Mendoza Line.

 

Second...you keep mentioning Colby Rasmus. Wouldn't that mean we'd have to get another player to platoon with him? I mean, if Maybin platoons / gets some time off "b/c he's a rookie"...Rasmus MUST be a platoon player next year, as well because...well...umm...he's young.

 

So basically for every rookie we have...we're gonna need a platoon partner. If only MLB allowed us to carry 20 position players, we'd be alright.

 

The only platoon you're going to see from a rookie next year might be at 1B...Gaby Sanchez might not play everyday...as McPherson will probably get some playing time.

 

Aside from that...

IF the team trades Uggla,

Coghlan will be your everyday 2B, just like Maybin will be your everyday CF'er.

 

As far as Andino being a "decent minor league hitter," he wasn't. The #'s speak for themselves. He's a flat out mediocre hitter.

 

You continuing to talk about how he improved is, rather, irrelevant.

It's irrelevant that Robert Andino's best year as a minor leaguer was his last, at the age of 24, in the PCL (not a hitters' league or anything ), where he couldn't even post impressive #'s...IN THE PCL.

 

By your calculations, with "Amezaga playing 1/3 of the games against RHP" and Andino playing "the rest" (which you basically said was 15 games)...that's WAY TOO MANY GAMES from bench players, at 2B. Especially when these guys are replacing an All-Star 2B.

 

If Uggla leaves, the only significant playing time Andino will be seeing, will be as a defensive replacement in the late innings (if that). Amezaga will do what he does best. One of the better utility players in baseball, who can do different things off the bench, and possibly fill a gap at a position IF A PLAYER GETS INJURED.

You are really having a bad day.

 

Maybin is not going to start 162 games next year, neither is Coghlan if Uggla goes. Maybe you are hung up on this word platoon, but giving these guys 120ish starts is pretty much making them the predominant starter, while giving enough leeway to not completely overwhelm or overexpose them. This is exactly what I've been saying forever, and exactly what the Marlins should do if they don't come out gangbusters like Hanley (very unlikely) because their growth into above average starters is the most important longterm thing this organization can do. Concerning a player like Rasmus, whose to say we would even call him up after his relative failure of an AAA season. This point is irrelevant and needs no further discussion. Also, we don't need 20 position players as you sarcastically muse, we need 13. Baker/RH catcher, 1B/3B Cantu, McPherson, and Gaby, Hanley SS, OF - Cody, Maybin, Hermida, Gonzo/4th OF, and probably Amezaga as the 5th OF, and assuming Uggla is traded, Coghlan would be the logical call up, Amezaga is the bench constant, and if you're counting at home, that is 12 people and the 13th can either be Andino, some nominal bench IF they acquire, or even another OF like Carroll, De Aza, whatever. That's a solid mix of veterans and youth, and the versatility of the team would be enormous. Your next contention is the difference in words between decent and mediocre. Decent, mediocre. Neither of those words are "good," and are really the same word. I am not 12 like other posters on the board that will post webster dictionary entries nor do I want to argue this, but I have no problem if you want to characterize him as a mediocre milb hitter. That term is just the same to me. All I suggested was he could be a solid 25th man next year, as a 2nd middle infielder who can get a few games at 2B, who can also spot in the outfield, is quick, and could potentially hit in the mid/high .600 OPS range like Amezaga. And maybe even replace him as the bench infield guy in future years if he were to figure it out. His numbers and progression support that. It's also not like I did not point out his stats were accrued in the PCL, so please don't insinuate I am over-looking things.

 

And finally, replacing Uggla, an allstar 2B is impossible. There is NO WAY the Marlins can replicate his offensive production no matter who they throw out there. The trick would be to maximize what you have, and that is going to be some sort of combination of playing time between predominantly Coghlan, some Amezaga, and probably a third player, like another bench infielder, who could come in for some games as well.

 

162 games? No. Around 140-150? Why not?

They won't play 162 b/c that's just rare, period.

 

As far as "there is NO WAY" to replace Uggla. That's not what I'm saying at all. As a matter of fact, I've been calling Uggla "replaceable" since...forever. My point is, I don't think you can even come close to replacing him, having guys like Amezaga & Andino playing that many games, next year. THAT'S what I'm saying.

 

Also...do you think the Marlins are a playoff contender in '09? Judging by your comments on Raynor (starting in AAA), it seems like you think this team is another year, or so, away.

 

We better be. Im think we willl be someting like the Twins are this year.

Beinfest threatened to shake up the team earlier this year if I remember correctly, but nothing came of that. We'll see.

 

 

I don't think he has another choice this offseason, with 17 (16 now that Mitre was released) players due arbritration.

Whatever happens, happens. We don't decide what happens, so why all the arguing?

Whatever happens, happens. We don't decide what happens, so why all the arguing?

 

 

 

Because we're fans.

162 games? No. Around 140-150? Why not?

They won't play 162 b/c that's just rare, period.

 

As far as "there is NO WAY" to replace Uggla. That's not what I'm saying at all. As a matter of fact, I've been calling Uggla "replaceable" since...forever. My point is, I don't think you can even come close to replacing him, having guys like Amezaga & Andino playing that many games, next year. THAT'S what I'm saying.

 

Also...do you think the Marlins are a playoff contender in '09? Judging by your comments on Raynor (starting in AAA), it seems like you think this team is another year, or so, away.

So you are basically bickering with me over 20-25 starts. uh. I have no problem if they perform, but I would still rather start the year slow and ease them into a potential "full time" roll. And I think you really underestimate Amezaga. His defensive impact is outrageous, and coupled with a solid .335 OBP against RHP, he's not a bad back end middle infielder starter to throw out there.

 

Also, I have no idea what Raynor still being in the minors has to do with contending, but the Marlins should have a shot in 2009 if their front 5 SP stay healthy. They don't turn into the juggernaut for another year or two until Maybin, hopefully Hermida, and whoever else become legitimate starting players.

Whatever happens, happens. We don't decide what happens, so why all the arguing?

 

 

What are you talkin about the FO is always taking our idea's into consideration.

 

I was just thinkin the same thing we have no control at all of what happens why argue; and personally im gald no one on here has any say in what we do. Except maybe Rab and Marlins Lou.

MarlinsLou, I appreciate your analysis of the Marlins. But one thing you may want to consider is the Marlins history with platooning. Over the years, you and others make suggestions for platoons at various positions. That is all well and good, but the Marlins just aren't a team that does platoons. When a player wins a position, it is theirs until they are injured or slump, then someone else gets a shot. There have been situations over past few seasons that called for platoons to be used but the Marlins refuse to employ them. So while it is interesting to analyze platoon possibilities, those types of theoretical platoons you propose will always remain theoretical.

We'll see what they do. They are in a different situation this year then years prior where they just had a guy to fill a spot. We have a lot more depth now to rotate players.

162 games? No. Around 140-150? Why not?

They won't play 162 b/c that's just rare, period.

 

As far as "there is NO WAY" to replace Uggla. That's not what I'm saying at all. As a matter of fact, I've been calling Uggla "replaceable" since...forever. My point is, I don't think you can even come close to replacing him, having guys like Amezaga & Andino playing that many games, next year. THAT'S what I'm saying.

 

Also...do you think the Marlins are a playoff contender in '09? Judging by your comments on Raynor (starting in AAA), it seems like you think this team is another year, or so, away.

So you are basically bickering with me over 20-25 starts. uh. I have no problem if they perform, but I would still rather start the year slow and ease them into a potential "full time" roll. And I think you really underestimate Amezaga. His defensive impact is outrageous, and coupled with a solid .335 OBP against RHP, he's not a bad back end middle infielder starter to throw out there.

 

Also, I have no idea what Raynor still being in the minors has to do with contending, but the Marlins should have a shot in 2009 if their front 5 SP stay healthy. They don't turn into the juggernaut for another year or two until Maybin, hopefully Hermida, and whoever else become legitimate starting players.

 

 

1. 1/3 of the games against RHP = 10 games for Amezaga? You said in this thread that under these circumstances of yours...Andino would get about 15 starts (which I don't see a point in). Also...I'm not underrating Amezaga, at all. I understand what he is...a utility player (in other words a bench player). He's not the guy you say..."oh, there's a righty on the mound today; let me throw him out there, just so he can get that 1/3 of his games against RHP in." Also...you do know that a .335 .OBP is SLIGHTLY BELOW league average, right? You also know that Amezaga can come in late in games as a defensive replacement when we have leads...right??

 

2. My mistake...I meant Rasmus starting in AAA, not Raynor. Basically what you're telling me is...that if the organization trades Uggla they should trade him for a corner OF'er who will probably start next year in AAA (which won't happen either, considering the Marlins send most of their top prospects to AA, for what it's worth).

1. 1/3 of the games against RHP = 10 games for Amezaga? You said in this thread that under these circumstances of yours...Andino would get about 15 starts (which I don't see a point in). Also...I'm not underrating Amezaga, at all. I understand what he is...a utility player (in other words a bench player). He's not the guy you say..."oh, there's a righty on the mound today; let me throw him out there, just so he can get that 1/3 of his games against RHP in." Also...you do know that a .335 .OBP is SLIGHTLY BELOW league average, right? You also know that Amezaga can come in late in games as a defensive replacement when we have leads...right??

 

2. My mistake...I meant Rasmus starting in AAA, not Raynor. Basically what you're telling me is...that if the organization trades Uggla they should trade him for a corner OF'er who will probably start next year in AAA (which won't happen either, considering the Marlins send most of their top prospects to AA, for what it's worth).

You are really taking the breakdown to literally, it's nothing to set in stone, but just a general idea or recommendation or what they can do. Jesus. They have plenty of options at 2B that the position wouldn't be a total zero.

 

And considering the Marlins depth, if they were to trade Uggla to the Cards for a Rasmus package, I'd have no problem sending him to AAA (which has moved to New Orleans and is a lot relevant than the previous park, for what it's worth) for him to play and work out his issues, plus the added benefit of not starting his arbitration clock (huge!). The Marlins can get plenty of OF production from a Cody, Maybin, Hermida, Gonzo/Vet, and Amezaga depth chart. We don't need to trade guys for instant MLB options. Beinfest has it covered.

You are really taking the breakdown to literally, it's nothing to set in stone, but just a general idea or recommendation or what they can do. Jesus. They have plenty of options at 2B that the position wouldn't be a total zero.

 

 

 

 

Forgive me, it's just you're a poster I highly respect on here, due to the fact that you, generally, stay consistent in your posting...and seem very well informed.

 

That's why I keep asking.

 

I'm just not a fan of Andino...at all.

 

Also...I hope you're right. If there's one thing I'm worried about, it's letting Hermida go for nada. I'm hearing a lot more about Cody Ross coming back...not so much about Hermida. I'd like to see both back, if possible.

Forgive me, it's just you're a poster I highly respect on here, due to the fact that you, generally, stay consistent in your posting...and seem very well informed.

 

That's why I keep asking.

 

Just saying....if you're just "asking", I would suggest not making patronizing posts filled with the rolling eye smilie.

 

And with Fredo's defense he's roughly an average starter against RHP. His defense is obviously a lot more valuable at SS, but 2b defense is still important. Based off the assumption of what Coghlan will be (An upper .700 OPS is rather optimistic for his first year, it'll likely be a mid .700 OPS, plus average at best defense)....you can actually argue Fredo would be better than Coghlan for just next year, although obviously you start Coghlan because it's not just about next year and he's the longterm option.

Forgive me, it's just you're a poster I highly respect on here, due to the fact that you, generally, stay consistent in your posting...and seem very well informed.

 

That's why I keep asking.

 

Just saying....if you're just "asking", I would suggest not making patronizing posts filled with the rolling eye smilie.

 

And with Fredo's defense he's roughly an average starter against RHP. His defense is obviously a lot more valuable at SS, but 2b defense is still important. Based off the assumption of what Coghlan will be (An upper .700 OPS is rather optimistic for his first year, it'll likely be a mid .700 OPS, plus average at best defense)....you can actually argue Fredo would be better than Coghlan for just next year, although obviously you start Coghlan because it's not just about next year and he's the longterm option.

 

 

Well, I respect his opinion, but I just really disagreed about Andino.

 

Also...wouldn't it be a little difficult to predict Coghlan's .OPS next year, when he's never even gotten an AB, in the big leagues? Plus, an .OPS in the mid-700's would still be over 50 points higher than Amezaga's career .OPS against RH pitching (.693).

Even if you disagree, patronizing posts are still really, really annoying, expecially when you're not even argueing against the other persons points.

 

And no, it really is not hard to predict based off minor league numbers and scout reports. Sometimes players explode, sometimes they don't, but that's why they're also assumptions, not facts. Based off Coghlan's BB/K, he'll likely put up a decent AVG. Based off his BB% and K%, he'll put up a good OBP. Based off his poor power numbers and the fact that he does not have the body to grow power, he will not put up a very good SLG.

 

 

And offense isn't the only thing that matters. Over a full season, even in a best case scenerio where we assume Chris Coghlan is exactly average (so +0 runs), Alfredo would be saving around 15 runs (not as much as I thought, as I was also just doing a strait translation of the amount of runs Alfredo would save at SS (about 20-25), but have to remember 2B isn't as much of a run preventing position).

Even if you disagree, patronizing posts are still really, really annoying, expecially when you're not even argueing against the other persons points.

 

And no, it really is not hard to predict based off minor league numbers and scout reports. Sometimes players explode, sometimes they don't, but that's why they're also assumptions, not facts. Based off Coghlan's BB/K, he'll likely put up a decent AVG. Based off his BB% and K%, he'll put up a good OBP. Based off his poor power numbers and the fact that he does not have the body to grow power, he will not put up a very good SLG.

 

 

And offense isn't the only thing that matters. Over a full season, even in a best case scenerio where we assume Chris Coghlan is exactly average (so +0 runs), Alfredo would be saving around 15 runs (not as much as I thought, as I was also just doing a strait translation of the amount of runs Alfredo would save at SS (about 20-25), but have to remember 2B isn't as much of a run preventing position).

 

Amezaga's defense would outweigh the differential in offensive production?

Also...what's the point in that? Why not just start with Coghlan, and use Amezaga as a defensive replacement, instead, when the team gains a lead, in the late innings? Wouldn't that make more sense?

I don't get why you'd only bring in defense with a lead? And why would you bring offense out?

 

Being down 3-2 is a hell of a lot better than being down 4-2. Having a 4-2 lead is a hell of a lot better than a 3-2 lead.

 

What matters is the product as a whole. If a player prevents a run from scoring in the first, that has just as much impact as a player creating a run in the first. Just because the runs defense prevents don't show up on the scoreboard doesn't mean they aren't important.

 

And .100 points in OPS is roughly 10 runs created (very very very rough but I'm far too lazy do it more). So for coghlan to make up those 15 runs that Alfredo has over him, he'd have to OPS towards the mid .800's. And that's also giving Coghlan the best case scenerio of being exactly average, and he's average at best. He'll likely be costing us a few runs in the field.