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I did read his explanation of this on the website, but no matter how you spin it, its scary. A defense force made up of civilians who answer directly to the bureaucracy/president.

 

It's like a military without any restrictions. Scary thought especially for anyone who has read Russian, German, Cuban, or Chilean history.

 

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Is this even constitutional?

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In what sense are you convinced that he is referring to any military sense of national security? Or that this is somehow government run?

 

You two are massively overreacting and parsing his words for your own purposes.

 

 

I think he is simply expanding the term national security. Here is the additional part of that speech:

 

Obama reflected on how the presidencies of Franklin D. Roosevelt and John F. Kennedy both made public service hallmarks of their administration and how the nation was the better for such efforts.

 

He promised to increase AmeriCorps slots from 75,000 to 250,000 and pledged to double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011.

 

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set," he said. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."

 

Obama called for greater integration with schools, so that young Americans are better prepared to be active citizens. He said he would make federal assistance conditional on school districts establishing service programs and set the goal of 50 hours of service a year for middle and high school students.

 

"Just as we teach math and writing, arts and athletics, we need to teach young Americans to take citizenship seriously," he said.

 

For college students, Obama would set the goal at 100 hours of service a year and repeated his pledge to create a $4,000 annual tax credit for college students that would be tied to that level of service.

 

Obama said he realizes there will be skeptics who will question how he might possibility be able to get more young people motivated to do public service, but argued the nation's very spirit is tied to greater service.

 

"Renewing that spirit starts with service," he said. "Make no mistake: our destiny as Americans is tied up with one another. If we are less respected in the world, then you will be less safe. If we keep paying dictators for foreign oil, gas prices are going to keep rising, and so are the oceans. If we can't give all of our children a world-class education, our economy is going to fall behind. "

 

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics..._public_se.html

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The thought of Obama being in the white house is sickening, and while the thought that he is almost certainly a 1 term president is a little comforting the fact that the country will be so far beyond repair after his four years pretty much eliminates any positive thoughts.

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Oh please.

Obama is a product of the Illinois Democratic Party, more specifically the Chicago machine, the most corrupt political entity in United States history. The Illinois democrats have done everything possible to destroy the state. Our governor-Rod Blagojevich, a man Obama deeply admires-is going to prison for a very long time; and Emil Jones-another man Obama deeply admires, and one of Obama's mentors and closest friends-is going to join him. Add to that that Obama really has nothing resembling political experience. He has spent his entire U.S. senatorial service campaigning and really doing nothing, and he was a mediocre at best state senator in Illinois. He either doesnt vote or changes his mind on every single issue. He has no grasp of foreign policy or the economy. He is completely lost if he doesnt have a teleprompter in front of him. He is by far the worst major party presidential candidate ever. He is an incredibly naive. His own running mate, who himself is an embarrassment and a disaster, thinks the same of Obama. The only thing Obama has ever shown is that he has no business being commander in chief and that he will almost certainly be one of the worst things to ever happen to this nation.

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The thought of Obama being in the white house is sickening, and while the thought that he is almost certainly a 1 term president is a little comforting the fact that the country will be so far beyond repair after his four years pretty much eliminates any positive thoughts.

 

Obama is not the one you should worry about it is the Democratic congress that has been running the show for the last two years . They are going to have significant majorities in both houses . The older I get the more convinced I become divided government is the way to go .

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Oh please.

Obama is a product of the Illinois Democratic Party, more specifically the Chicago machine, the most corrupt political entity in United States history. The Illinois democrats have done everything possible to destroy the state. Our governor-Rod Blagojevich, a man Obama deeply admires-is going to prison for a very long time; and Emil Jones-another man Obama deeply admires, and one of Obama's mentors and closest friends-is going to join him. Add to that that Obama really has nothing resembling political experience. He has spent his entire U.S. senatorial service campaigning and really doing nothing, and he was a mediocre at best state senator in Illinois. He either doesnt vote or changes his mind on every single issue. He has no grasp of foreign policy or the economy. He is completely lost if he doesnt have a teleprompter in front of him. He is by far the worst major party presidential candidate ever. He is an incredibly naive. His own running mate, who himself is an embarrassment and a disaster, thinks the same of Obama. The only thing Obama has ever shown is that he has no business being commander in chief and that he will almost certainly be one of the worst things to ever happen to this nation.

 

so do you like him or not?

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For the record, I have no hatred or even dislike for Barack Obama. But anyone who thinks he should be president is not playing with a full deck, no offense. Take off the partisan glasses and just look at him as a candidate...he is an awful one.

 

This election is not about Obama to a man despite the fact his supporters are inspired by him I think they would admit he doesnt have the necessary experience or a record of achievement to have been selected as the democrats most qualified nominee . Nor is this election about John McCain, I do have to admit it is amusing the the Republican who Democrats used to love is now the boogeyman. This election is about George W Bush plain and simple the hatred he engenders is what is driving this election . Obama and McCain are irrelevant , Obama will win because most Americans take a simplistic view towards politics and wont examine issues or the candidates positions in great detail . they will simply state Bush is a Republican , I dont like Bush, I am going to vote for the Democrat. It is somewhat ironic that George W Bush , a Republican(although one of the most liberal politicans in my lifetime) accomplished something Democrats could not: he electorally and philosophically has destroyed the modern Republican party.

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For the record, I have no hatred or even dislike for Barack Obama. But anyone who thinks he should be president is not playing with a full deck, no offense. Take off the partisan glasses and just look at him as a candidate...he is an awful one.

He's not someone I want running the country but McCain is no better. Let's be fair. I can give the Obama supporters that much.

 

Isnt this how it always turns out? Bush-Kerry ring a bell anyone? Now who were the dumbasses who chose these two? :p

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For the record, I have no hatred or even dislike for Barack Obama. But anyone who thinks he should be president is not playing with a full deck, no offense. Take off the partisan glasses and just look at him as a candidate...he is an awful one.

He's not someone I want running the country but McCain is no better. Let's be fair. I can give the Obama supporters that much.

Not arguing that, I am not voting for either. I do however think McCain is the less awful of the two.

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Obama is 100x better than Kerry. However, Kerry certainly couldn't have screwed up the country much worse than Bush did from 2005-2008 (economic collapse, Katrina, funneling more troops into Iraq, and on and on....).

 

The reason McCain is not liked by us Democrats anymore is because he stopped being independent of the GOP 2-3 years ago, and attached himself to this president. He ceased becoming the man he was during the 2000 GOP primary, and morphed into something else.

 

Also, Jimmy's comments are hilarious. :lol

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Why are they hilarious? Do you live in Illinois? If you did, you would realize my comments are spot on. The Illinois democratic party that spawned Barack Obama makes George W. Bush's republicans look like one of the most capable and straight shooting goverments in history. Add to that that Obama really was a mediocre at best state senator, he really did absolutely nothing as an Illinois senator but do the same pandering to various special interests that he is doing now(by not voting or changing his mind on every issue every other day). Research Obama some, you would realize just how awful and unqualified a candidate Obama really is. But keep being ignorant and voting straight ticket, dont research your candidate as you take him at face value because he is a democrat(this applies to republicans as well). Its people like you and the corrupt officials you represent that are ruining this country. But go ahead and think a guy who has no real experience as a politician is going to usher in the country to a golden age. This is likely the first election where whoever wins, America loses, although Obama is much more dangerous simply because he is extremely ignorant in regards to the vast majority of politics, especially foreign policy.

 

BTW, I dont think you are ignorant as a person but your political philosophy certainly is, you and everyone else who refuses to even think a republican or if you are a republican that a democrat would be the right fit for a certain office just because they are members of the opposing party.

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Why are they hilarious? Do you live in Illinois? If you did, you would realize my comments are spot on. The Illinois democratic party that spawned Barack Obama makes George W. Bush's republicans look like one of the most capable and straight shooting goverments in history. Add to that that Obama really was a mediocre at best state senator, he really did absolutely nothing as an Illinois senator but do the same pandering to various special interests that he is doing now(by not voting or changing his mind on every issue every other day). Research Obama some, you would realize just how awful and unqualified a candidate Obama really is. But keep being ignorant and voting straight ticket, dont research your candidate as you take him at face value because he is a democrat(this applies to republicans as well). Its people like you and the corrupt officials you represent that are ruining this country. But go ahead and think a guy who has no real experience as a politician is going to usher in the country to a golden age. This is likely the first election where whoever wins, America loses, although Obama is much more dangerous simply because he is extremely ignorant in regards to the vast majority of politics, especially foreign policy.

 

BTW, I dont think you are ignorant as a person but your political philosophy certainly is, you and everyone else who refuses to even think a republican or if you are a republican that a democrat would be the right fit for a certain office just because they are members of the opposing party.

 

I have lived in Illinois and am familiar with Illinois politics, and your rambling incoherent generalizations have little to no basis in fact whatsover. Your comments are not spot on. They are far from reality based almost exclusively on your warped sense of politics. You use idiotic hyperbole like "a man Obama DEEPLY ADMIRES." Talk about extreme partisan BS. Clearly you can't stand the guy, so youre going to the extremees to describe him.

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Extreme partisan? I am not a republican friend, far from it. And the fact that you lived in Illinois, I am guessing not long, and are a democrat, leads me to believe you have no idea what you are talking about. The party has ruined this state. It's leadership is going to prison. Everything I said is not only based in fact it IS fact.

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Extreme partisan? I am not a republican friend, far from it. And the fact that you lived in Illinois, I am guessing not long, and are a democrat, leads me to believe you have no idea what you are talking about. The party has ruined this state. It's leadership is going to prison. Everything I said is not only based in fact it IS fact.

 

So by your logic, the wrongdoings by other democrats in the state causes the entire state party to become tainted, thereby making them all corrupt. Since Obama is a product of a party in a state that had corrupt actors, it causes you to undermine Obama. And before you deny your own words, Ill repeat them:

 

Obama is a product of the Illinois Democratic Party, more specifically the Chicago machine, the most corrupt political entity in United States history. The Illinois democrats have done everything possible to destroy the state.

 

Ok, let's follow that same logic. McCain is a product of the national republican party? National republicans have been indicted and sent to jail over the last 2-3 years, namely guys like Bob Ney, Duke Cunningham, and Ted Stevens. So then McCain and all republicans are also corrupt officials.

 

Btw, Im not remotely making that claim. I'm just pointing out your ridiculously weak logic.

 

You never actually link Obama to anyone or anything that establishes he is at all corrupt. Rather, you just say "a man he deeply admires." WTF does that even men, let alone what proof do you have?

 

Let's try it again: McCain deeply admires serial killers!!

 

Pretty dumb.

 

The rest of your posts are designed just to outright insult anybody who dares disagree with you by supporting Obama. You use extreme language that nobody takes seriously.

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In what sense are you convinced that he is referring to any military sense of national security? Or that this is somehow government run?

 

You two are massively overreacting and parsing his words for your own purposes.

 

 

I think he is simply expanding the term national security. Here is the additional part of that speech:

 

Obama reflected on how the presidencies of Franklin D. Roosevelt and John F. Kennedy both made public service hallmarks of their administration and how the nation was the better for such efforts.

 

He promised to increase AmeriCorps slots from 75,000 to 250,000 and pledged to double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011.

 

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set," he said. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."

 

Obama called for greater integration with schools, so that young Americans are better prepared to be active citizens. He said he would make federal assistance conditional on school districts establishing service programs and set the goal of 50 hours of service a year for middle and high school students.

 

"Just as we teach math and writing, arts and athletics, we need to teach young Americans to take citizenship seriously," he said.

 

For college students, Obama would set the goal at 100 hours of service a year and repeated his pledge to create a $4,000 annual tax credit for college students that would be tied to that level of service.

 

Obama said he realizes there will be skeptics who will question how he might possibility be able to get more young people motivated to do public service, but argued the nation's very spirit is tied to greater service.

 

"Renewing that spirit starts with service," he said. "Make no mistake: our destiny as Americans is tied up with one another. If we are less respected in the world, then you will be less safe. If we keep paying dictators for foreign oil, gas prices are going to keep rising, and so are the oceans. If we can't give all of our children a world-class education, our economy is going to fall behind. "

 

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics..._public_se.html

 

Straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/defense/...lobal-stability

Develop Whole of Government Initiatives to Promote Global Stability

Integrate Military and Civilian Efforts: An Obama-Biden administration will build up the capacity of each non-Pentagon agency to deploy personnel and area experts where they are needed, to help move soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines out of civilian roles.

Create a Civilian Assistance Corps (CAC): An Obama-Biden administration will set a goal of creating a national CAC of 25,000 personnel. This corps of civilian volunteers with special skill, sets (doctors, lawyers, engineers, city planners, agriculture specialists, police, etc.) would be organized to provide each federal agency with a pool of volunteer experts willing to deploy in times of need at home and abroad.

 

 

Definitely run by the government. F_M, I've always respected your opinions on this site, but you accuse everyone else of beign partisan, yet you defend this outrageous policy by Sen. Obama. This is one of those issues like the Patriot Act, where it shouldn't be about candidates or parties. We should be comparing notes on these two issues and make sure to put a stop to them. I wonder if McCain had said this if you would be for it.

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Ok let's see. Training a group of people so that the Federal government can utilize them in times of 'disaster'. Nonspecific disaster.

 

So in other words, a civilian group that can be trained and used by the president and the federal bureaucracy whenever they deem fit. Read up on Vlad Lenin, Fidel Castro, and Augusto Pinochet, so you can see what I'm complaining about.

 

Cuba's CDR is exactly that, a group of civilians that can be used by government in times of crisis. The CDR is not trained to kill. This plan sets the framework for true fascism, it is the infrastructure for government watch groups and the slowly filtering away of our freedoms.

 

The fact that you lawyers and liberals are not in the least bit troubled by this is very frightening. Obama will set up the infrastructure for a dictatorship and people are willing to accept it with open arms. Very scary.

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