Now many of you know that I can't stand negative threads and all the "This team sucks" threads 8 times a week however, this is my time to write mine.

 

Emilo Bonifacio is by far the worst player on this team, possibly in the majors! I have NO CLUE why this guy doesn't have a short leash like some of our other players have had.. (maybin for ex) He is just flat out bad, he is not a major leaguer.

 

Going to the 3 game set against the Rays just showed me on how bad he is! He makes contact maybe 1 or 2 times a game. And when he does manage to get on base with a hit like he does he gets PICKED OFF! I mean who gets picked off by a right hander day in and day out?? I just don't understand! He also misplayed a ground ball on Sat night that any of us on this board could have made. Instead of getting in front of the damn thing he plays it to his side! Guys is clueless and useless!!!!!!!!!! When you ask him to do something he knows how to do, like a SAC bunt, he can't even do that! I would start Helms everyday over this guy and send him to Single A!

 

Anyways.. Solid and BIG win for the Fish today, happy to see them get back into the W column. HUGE road-trip now.. 3 Philly and 3 in NY, would love to take both of those! :gofish

agreed time for him to go............

Like it or not, hes our guy.

Like it or not, hes our guy.

 

 

 

LOL, I'm getting scary memories of Jorge Julio and Kevin Gregg

 

oh no, I got a Jaques Jones memory, what should I do?

Just have to realize this is the type of player Beinfest likes. No one knows why, but thats the sad truth.

Just have to realize this is the type of player Beinfest likes. No one knows why, but thats the sad truth.

 

 

Beinfest likes weak-hitting brainless players who cannot make routine plays in the field, allow themselves to get picked off on a regular basis, cannot sacrifice bunt to save their lives and strike out more times than Adam Dunn but without any power?

 

I don't think so.

He likes DeAza too and really wanted to trade for Gathright so...yea.

He likes DeAza too and really wanted to trade for Gathright so...yea.

 

 

 

I'll take DeAza with a broken leg before Emilo... Im not saying DeAza is a stud by any means but I mean this guy makes contact and has good AB's. I dont think I have ever seen Bonifacio have an AB that was more than 7 pitches long EVER!

Now many of you know that I can't stand negative threads and all the "This team sucks" threads 8 times a week however, this is my time to write mine.

 

Emilo Bonifacio is by far the worst player on this team, possibly in the majors! I have NO CLUE why this guy doesn't have a short leash like some of our other players have had.. (maybin for ex) He is just flat out bad, he is not a major leaguer.

 

Going to the 3 game set against the Rays just showed me on how bad he is! He makes contact maybe 1 or 2 times a game. And when he does manage to get on base with a hit like he does he gets PICKED OFF! I mean who gets picked off by a right hander day in and day out?? I just don't understand! He also misplayed a ground ball on Sat night that any of us on this board could have made. Instead of getting in front of the damn thing he plays it to his side! Guys is clueless and useless!!!!!!!!!! When you ask him to do something he knows how to do, like a SAC bunt, he can't even do that! I would start Helms everyday over this guy and send him to Single A!

 

 

And yet, hyperbole aside, Bonifacio who had a lousy, very lousy day today, but even while doing so extended his on-base streak with another hit to sixteen games, fourteen with hits and two by walks. He's currently enjoying a six game hit streak. How many other Marlins can say that?

 

For the month he's reached base at least once in all but I think two games. That said I personally think he needs a (forced) day off to think about how badly he did today and to some extent yesterday. If you want to lead off you have to do better than getting on base only once or two a game. Not being able to lay down a bunt in a crucial situation that didn't even demand he get a hit out of it, getting picked off first and not for the first time or unable to sacrifice when called on (a sin so many Marlins share) needs reflection at the end of the bench. It's worked for other players, it's not the end of the world.

 

Before today Coghlan was three for his last 30 at bats. Coghlan had a terrific day today, and should be applauded. He was batting .143/.260 before going 3 for 5. Let's not go overboard here. Let's hope this is the beginning of a good run for the kid but let's not be surprised if it takes a while longer to get his legs under him.

 

Emilio Bonifacio is not allowed to have a bad game, or commit a meaningless error like last night, in fact when he has a good game, it's not enough, it's never enough to satisfy the blood lust at mb.com. And as for not making contact where that comes from I don't know because over the last few weeks he's been making better contact and more consistently than at any time this season save a few days in April.

 

I think I'm unique here, I want both guys to succeed. I don't understand why it is so hard for more people to not want that too except maybe they need the validation of saying see I told you so is more palatable for them than admitting they were wrong even that means rooting against the team and its players they claim to be fans of. It may be convenient to blame everything on Bonifacio from lousy run production to blown leads from the pen, but when he's been on base sixteen games in a row, he may be a problem, but he's not "the" problem.

Im going to day this again

 

Bonerface to AAA and De Aza to Marlins

 

De Aza RF Cody CF Hermida RF

 

Coghlan/Helms 3B Hanley SS Uggla 2B Cantu/Gload 1B

 

Baker/Paulino C

 

Rotation

 

JJ

Volstad

Miller

Anibal

West

 

That would be a pretty good team if Miller and West continue pitching well and if Coghlan continues to develop and hit Major League Pitching. We really just need help from the Bullpen which has been a HUGE Roller Coaster of Inconsistancy

First off, Bonifacio isnt on a 9 game hit streak. He went hitless the last game of the Dodger series and first game of the Diamondback series. That puts him on a 6 game hit streak which looks decent I guess, but during that 6 game hit streak his OBP is a whopping .267. For the month of May Bonifacio's OBP is at .285 and he has a 3 to 1 K/BB ratio.

 

So...your right. People are just complaining about Bonifacio to complain, thats the only reason. Lack of production doesnt come into the equation at all.

First off, Bonifacio isnt on a 9 game hit streak. He went hitless the last game of the Dodger series and first game of the Diamondback series. That puts him on a 6 game hit streak which looks decent I guess, but during that 6 game hit streak his OBP is a whopping .267. For the month of May Bonifacio's OBP is at .285 and he has a 3 to 1 K/BB ratio.

 

So...your right. People are just complaining about Bonifacio to complain, thats the only reason. Lack of production doesnt come into the equation at all.

 

 

I immediately corrected the nine game remark to six games as it was a typo. And it's hard for me to believe you didn't notice that.

When I went to reply it still said 9, must not have been that immediate. It could be 30 games and it still wouldnt be all that impressive when the rest of his peripherals are still crap.

When I went to reply it still said 9, must not have been that immediate. It could be 30 games and it still wouldnt be all that impressive when the rest of his peripherals are still crap.

 

 

It was changed within 30 seconds of posting it. All I had to do was read the first two lines to see the typo. And btw I'm not arguing he's playing any better than is obvious, he has a lot of flaws but he isn't the player the thread starter suggests, or you for that matter.

Bonifacio has been an automatic out for a while now. Why's he leading off again? Sure, he's got the speed but doesn't get on base enough. He doesn't know the meaning of situational hitting either.

When I went to reply it still said 9, must not have been that immediate. It could be 30 games and it still wouldnt be all that impressive when the rest of his peripherals are still crap.

 

 

It was changed within 30 seconds of posting it. All I had to do was read the first two lines to see the typo. And btw I'm not arguing he's playing any better than is obvious, he has a lot of flaws but he isn't the player the thread starter suggests, or you for that matter.

I must of replied within 29 seconds of you posting it then. Doesnt matter.

 

And really, he isnt the player that I am suggesting, even though I am using statistics? What kind of player is he then if the stats are wrong?

The sad fact with Bonifacio is that he has done just well enough for the FO not to get rid of him. And sure, he may be on a small streak as far as getting on base, but considering all the extra inning games we've played and the fact he bats leadoff he should be getting things done.

 

Either way, I agree with everyone who has said that De Aza deserves a chance, and I'd like to see Coghlan get more chances. Both of these guys at least look competent at the plate and in the case of Coghlan he's actually been a genuine prospect who is highly regarded. Coghlan has limited upside, but there's more reason to think he will contribute to success going forward than Bonifacio because he has a track record of performing well as a professional.

Just have to realize this is the type of player Beinfest likes. No one knows why, but thats the sad truth.

 

 

There is nothing wrong with the concept of the type of player he likes. However Bonifacio doesnt deliver the performances to merit a place on the team. Beinfest is looking for a .280-300 avg leadoff guy who gets 50+ steals, with Gold Glove defence - thats the concept. That's not Bonifacio.

 

Get him to the bench!

With Bonifacio's speed he should be Carl Crawford on the bases, but he just isn't. I seem to be in a minority of two in liking the guy, but even I get that sinking feeling when we've guys on second and third, with two out, and he gets up to bat. I hate the fact he goes to bunt EVERY first pitch but ALWAYS pulls away no matter where the ball is in relation to the zone. Hanley Ramirez can leave every first pitch, Bonifacio can't.

 

We all saw WHAT he CAN do in the 11-1 run. However, the reports got out and every ML pitcher was told he can't lay off high fastballs and either whiffs and misses them, fouls them off or hits them for flyballs. So now he needs to re-adjust, and it's taking too long.

 

He needs a spell on the bench. Perhaps if not for our bullpen situation he might already be there. Get him on the basepaths in 7/8/9 to pinch run, steal and distract the pitchers. Oh and teach him not to take so much of a lead. His speed means he shouldn't need so much space it's bang-bang when the pitcher tries to pick him off.

Just have to realize this is the type of player Beinfest likes. No one knows why, but thats the sad truth.

 

 

There is nothing wrong with the concept of the type of player he likes. However Bonifacio doesnt deliver the performances to merit a place on the team. Beinfest is looking for a .280-300 avg leadoff guy who gets 50+ steals, with Gold Glove defence - thats the concept. That's not Bonifacio.

 

Get him to the bench!

 

That's the (old) Juan Pierre. Bonifacio is no (old) Juan Pierre. Oh for the good old days of 2003.

First off, Bonifacio isnt on a 9 game hit streak. He went hitless the last game of the Dodger series and first game of the Diamondback series. That puts him on a 6 game hit streak which looks decent I guess, but during that 6 game hit streak his OBP is a whopping .267. For the month of May Bonifacio's OBP is at .285 and he has a 3 to 1 K/BB ratio.

 

So...your right. People are just complaining about Bonifacio to complain, thats the only reason. Lack of production doesnt come into the equation at all.

 

 

Lack of metal capacity does..

I think what we really need is just another consistent hitter. Hanley is the only player hitting over .300 currently. While I don't expect the entire lineup to hit over .300, I think we're really lacking a solid, consistent hitter. Baker and Cantu have been our best hitters after Hanley. If this means we need to go out and acquire a consistent hitter, then so be it. This should be obvious to the FO right? I understand that their #1 priority is starting pitching, but if we can move to a JJ, Volstad, Sanchez, Miller, West rotation for the time being, I think we'll be OK.

 

Offense is the real concern to me right now. Our OF can't hit and Cody Ross is absolutely the most frustrating hitter to watch, more than Bonifacio even. He'll take a pitch or two in the strikezone and bend away from them like they are inside. Then on a pitch low in the zone, he'll try to golf it and will probably lose his bat in the process and strikeout while doing it. Then he goes on streaks where he is making great contact with the ball and for power as well. I'm sick of streaky players. We should get some consistent hitters on the team, even if we sacrifice power. Wasn't this the FO plan from the beginning of the season? Bonifacio fails poorly at being this consistent hitter. He should be benched or at least he shouldn't be hitting leadoff. Should we really give the most ABs to Bonifacio out of everyone on the team?

 

I'd rather see De Aza or Hermida leadoff. And I really don't want to go there, but if we have to, we should at least consider hitting Hanley lead-off, although I hate saying that, because he's a perfect 3 hitter, it's just that we don't have anyone that can HIT in front of him. Sure, Hermida walks a ton, but he hasn't been hitting the ball consistently. If we have to deal Uggla, then it's something we need to do. We need to get some consistent hitters in the lineup, period. That should be the #1 priority right now. As for the bullpen, I really can't tell with them and it does seem like they are only good in garbage time. If this turns out to be true, then we should make a move for a proven bullpen arm. Arthur Rhodes, where art thou? Lol. We could really use him. If, (when Sanchez gets back) he, West, and Miller can just increase their average output to more around at least 5 innings, then I think our bullpen will be much better. But when we have starters going not even 3 full innings, then of course or bullpen is going to struggle due to the overuse. This team has a lot of problems, but I think that they are fixable. So fixable that this season is not even close to being given up on. We can still contend, we just need to make some moves. SORRY LONG POST. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's just what my observation of Marlins games makes me think.

Hanley is a consistent hitter because he's really good at baseball. Those players are hard to find. Most line ups in baseball are filled with streaky hitters. Obviously we're not building our team around guys like Cody Ross.

Hanley is a consistent hitter because he's really good at baseball. Those players are hard to find. Most line ups in baseball are filled with streaky hitters. Obviously we're not building our team around guys like Cody Ross.

 

 

Oh I understand that consistent hitters are more talented baseball players. What I was getting at, though, is that we have one hitter in our lineup hitting above .300. Can't we do better than that? That's my enormous post in a nutshell.

People need to realize that DeAza is pretty much the same exact player as Bonifacio is.