July 17, 200916 yr I suppose the Marlins FO would entertain his return and the Nationals would most probably be looking for prospects because they have so many outfielders at the major league level and the minors. Additionally his contract is for one year, 60% of which has already been paid off and he knows left field here. It would also give the Marlins the chance of sending Chris Coghlan back down after what I think was a positive experience and a good showcasing. He goes back and tears up AAA making him more valuable and either bides his time until other trades happen that leads to his recall or moving to a team where he can start, or the season is over, Willingham is probably set free again, etc. meaning he comes into camp next spring as a legitimate MLer here or elsewhere.
July 17, 200916 yr I just hate trading back for someone. It just feels like we failed We did. Epically.
July 17, 200916 yr How much is JW getting paid this season? [edit] He is getting paid $2,950,000 I think in order to asses 'epic failures' we aught to at least consider what our goals are. Scott Olsen is getting paid $2,800,000 EB is getting paid $400,000
July 17, 200916 yr I just hate trading back for someone. It just feels like we failed Bonifacio is an epic fail. Not along the lines of Jorge Julio fail, but a failure nonetheless.
July 17, 200916 yr I just hate trading back for someone. It just feels like we failed Bonifacio is an epic fail. Not along the lines of Jorge Julio fail, but a failure nonetheless. IMO, summarily reducing a profitable corporations decisions to an internet meme reveals a fairy unsophisticated understanding of the way the world works.
July 17, 200916 yr I just hate trading back for someone. It just feels like we failed Bonifacio is an epic fail. Not along the lines of Jorge Julio fail, but a failure nonetheless. IMO, summarily reducing a profitable corporations decisions to an internet meme reveals a fairy unsophisticated understanding of the way the world works.
July 17, 200916 yr I dont think that trade was that awful. Bonifacio looks like a future 2b and will be a good one if he can get that obp up and smolinski is a pretty good prospect.
July 17, 200916 yr Author I dont think that trade was that awful. Bonifacio looks like a future 2b and will be a good one if he can get that obp up and smolinski is a pretty good prospect. OBP is very very, hard to improve. Hitters are born with plate discipline the same way hitter are born to hit. I just don't see it straying far away from his careeer minor league OPB.
July 17, 200916 yr Epic Fail: for some things, there's just no excuse Well saving $5+ million off a $36 million payroll and still being in contention for the division are both pretty decent excuses. The move was a salary dump, first and foremost. Its hilarious how people try to ignore that aspect of our franchise. Its the same swiss-cheese logic that results in threads about acquiring Joe Mauer.
July 17, 200916 yr Author Epic Fail: for some things, there's just no excuse Well saving $5+ million off a $36 million payroll and still being in contention for the division are both pretty decent excuses. The move was a salary dump, first and foremost. Its hilarious how people try to ignore that aspect of our franchise. Its the same swiss-cheese logic that results in threads about acquiring Joe Mauer. Compared to prior salary dumps, fail.
July 17, 200916 yr If the goal is to win games it's an epic fail. If the goal is to stuff hundred dollar bills in Loria's pocket it's an epic win. I say epic fail.
July 17, 200916 yr Epic Fail: for some things, there's just no excuse Well saving $5+ million off a $36 million payroll and still being in contention for the division are both pretty decent excuses. The move was a salary dump, first and foremost. Its hilarious how people try to ignore that aspect of our franchise. Its the same swiss-cheese logic that results in threads about acquiring Joe Mauer. I agree with you, I just posted that because i googled epic fail and that was the first image result. I just found it funny. However, I do have to point out that the Marlins regularly make the most money from revenue sharing, but spend very little of it on keeping or acquiring players. MLB Operating Income Rankings 2009
July 17, 200916 yr If the goal is to win games it's an epic fail. If the goal is to stuff hundred dollar bills in Loria's pocket it's an epic win. I say epic fail. So our goal as a franchise has to be entirely defined by one of those two options, and the outcome is limited to an epic win or an epic fail. At least we arent being overly severe or myopic.
July 17, 200916 yr I dont think that trade was that awful. Bonifacio looks like a future 2b and will be a good one if he can get that obp up and smolinski is a pretty good prospect. OBP is very very, hard to improve. Hitters are born with plate discipline the same way hitter are born to hit. I just don't see it straying far away from his careeer minor league OPB. Are you kidding me?
July 17, 200916 yr OBP is very very, hard to improve. Hitters are born with plate discipline the same way hitter are born to hit. I just don't see it straying far away from his careeer minor league OPB. Both Jose Reyes and Louis Castillo had OBPs around .300 early in their careers, and Castillo's improved significantly. :cool
July 17, 200916 yr OBP is very very, hard to improve. Hitters are born with plate discipline the same way hitter are born to hit. I just don't see it straying far away from his careeer minor league OPB. Both Jose Reyes and Louis Castillo had OBPs around .300 early in their careers, and Castillo's improved significantly. :cool Luis Castillo had a .404 career minor league OBP. Reyes is quite interesting, though. EB actually had a higher MiLB OBP than Reyes, albeit while older for his level mostly.
July 17, 200916 yr Here's the flaw in this whole argument... Willingham was not that good last year, and showed no signs of putting up those kind of numbers.
July 17, 200916 yr OBP is very very, hard to improve. Hitters are born with plate discipline the same way hitter are born to hit. I just don't see it straying far away from his careeer minor league OPB. Both Jose Reyes and Louis Castillo had OBPs around .300 early in their careers, and Castillo's improved significantly. :cool Luis Castillo had a .404 career minor league OBP. Reyes is quite interesting, though. EB actually had a higher MiLB OBP than Reyes, albeit while older for his level mostly. From reports you can thanks Ricky Hernderson for Reyes OBP incline.
July 17, 200916 yr It wasn't an epic fail. We traded a pitcher who is doing horrible this season, and probably wouldn't have been in the rotation anyway, and a guy who had major back problems, which kept him out for a good part of last season for a future utility man to replace Amezaga and a decent prospect. It wasn't a good trade, but it wasn't an epic fail.
July 17, 200916 yr I actually think Olsen would've been in the rotation, but its a moot point. I still like the deal.
July 17, 200916 yr Author I dont think that trade was that awful. Bonifacio looks like a future 2b and will be a good one if he can get that obp up and smolinski is a pretty good prospect. OBP is very very, hard to improve. Hitters are born with plate discipline the same way hitter are born to hit. I just don't see it straying far away from his careeer minor league OPB. Are you kidding me? Absolutely First of all, have you ever played baseball? How do you improve your natural ability to decipher if a ball is a strike or not? You can improve a little bit, but its the same as hitting. Besides people a lot smarter than me have claimed this. There used to emphasis in organizations to try and teach plate discipline and obp skills, didn't work. Teams realized they needed to draft players who already have it, that's one reason why a lot of teams prefer college hitters because there's halfway valid stats they can count on. But you can find exceptions if you look hard enough.
July 17, 200916 yr Author OBP is very very, hard to improve. Hitters are born with plate discipline the same way hitter are born to hit. I just don't see it straying far away from his careeer minor league OPB. Both Jose Reyes and Louis Castillo had OBPs around .300 early in their careers, and Castillo's improved significantly. :cool Luis Castillo had a .404 career minor league OBP. Reyes is quite interesting, though. EB actually had a higher MiLB OBP than Reyes, albeit while older for his level mostly. From reports you can thanks Ricky Hernderson for Reyes OBP incline. But his OBP is basically exactly the same in his minor/major league career.
July 17, 200916 yr Epic Fail: for some things, there's just no excuse Well saving $5+ million off a $36 million payroll and still being in contention for the division are both pretty decent excuses. The move was a salary dump, first and foremost. Its hilarious how people try to ignore that aspect of our franchise. Its the same swiss-cheese logic that results in threads about acquiring Joe Mauer. Well we're not gonna make the playoffs this year with the offense we have now. Is that really a win? I don't think so. Besides, the guy we kept over him we couldn't even trade to the Pirates.
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