It will be interesting. The pirates jumped from 21,000 to 30,000 in their first year of the new stadium and they were terrible.

 

A lot will depend on the team. If Stanton turns in to a premier power hitter in year 2 and JJ/Hanley continue to be two of the best in the league... and we are winning games, i see no reason why this team won't fill a beautiful stadium.

 

That's why I think a hire of Ozzie would go a long way. Say what you will about the guy, but he will get the average fan talking about the team.

 

 

And Ozzie would get the Hispanic community fired up too. That is why I think you can count on at least Edwin being retained. I think its critical of Loria to make sure he has a strong Latino presence on the team from now on. Expect our FA signings and draft picks to keep this in mind.

 

Ozzie would get everyone fired up because every other day you'd see an article about something he did on the newspaper. I want him here, but given Loria's philosophy on managers, it isn't going to happen.

the least expensive tickets will be $ 12.50 per game

 

 

Actually, there are at least 1,000 seats in sections 324-327 (upper deck down the 3B line) and at least 1,000 seats in sections 302-305 (upper deck down the 1B line) that are all $10.

So wait, the price chart that they have up is of single game tickets? What are the season ticket prices, then? I assume they'd be lower, right?

So wait, the price chart that they have up is of single game tickets? What are the season ticket prices, then? I assume they'd be lower, right?

 

 

 

No, I believe what is shown is the per price of the ticket for the season tickets. When individual tickets are sold, they will be higher yet :confused

The $10 pricing is from this interactive representation of the stadium: http://www.seats3d.c...lorida_marlins/

 

I assume that it is based on season-ticket prices. I don't think they have started individual ticket sales yet, but there is a provision in the stadium agreement that calls for a certain minimum number of "affordable" seats, so I would not be at all surprised if the single-ticket price for those 8 sections is also $10 to satisfy the agreement.

I checked the Operating Agreement and it calls for 81,000 seats per year (an average of just 1,000/game) at no more than $15 in the first year, so that's not the reason for thousands of $10 and $12.50 seats in addition to the many, many thousands of $15 seats.

 

Perhaps they are following the Angels' strategy of keeping prices down to fill the joint.

I wouldn't say Florida isn't a good fan base. We just need to start winning, and the fans will come.

 

 

 

Which is one of the definitions of not being a good fan base. A good fan base supports their teams through the good and the bad.

 

But just for arguments sake......Show where this is true. Use any winning season or WS Championship year you want. Or years when we came out of the gates winning more than anyone. Wasn't it within the last couple years we were in 1st place in like June, tied with the best record in the NL with AZ, they came here to play, and no body showed up?

I wouldn't say Florida isn't a good fan base. We just need to start winning, and the fans will come.

 

 

 

Which is one of the definitions of not being a good fan base. A good fan base supports their teams through the good and the bad.

 

But just for arguments sake......Show where this is true. Use any winning season or WS Championship year you want. Or years when we came out of the gates winning more than anyone. Wasn't it within the last couple years we were in 1st place in like June, tied with the best record in the NL with AZ, they came here to play, and no body showed up?

 

Every city, save for a couple, is like that. When you start winning, fans will come.

 

Our attendance did increase after we won in 03, but it was still pathetic. But, that was in Sun Life Stadium. No roof, heat, bad weather, and a bad stadium will do that. I can't guarantee it, but I feel that our new stadium will attract more fans than people realize.

It'll improve significantly

 

It takes a lot of years, and a lot of good teams to create and sustain a multiple sell-outs fanbase. We don't have the luxury of being an ancient baseball market like Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and Philadelphia. The Reds and Phils weren't very good for quite a few years, but since they became playoff contenders, they draw a lot of fans in the stands. Even in Pittsburgh, if the Pirates ever get their act together, would suddenly sell out their ballpark too. Same even for the Royals.

 

I just thought I'd say that Florida in general is a very active, and fun state. The Marlins, or any sports team for that matter, has a lot to compete with in terms of entertainment. There's a lot of things to do in Florida, like enjoying the beach, sunshine, that sort of thing. For that reason, like I said, it'll take a lot of good Marlins years to build a huge fanbase. You ever wonder why, in contrast to Florida, football and the Packers is like a religion in Wisconsin and the Green Bay area? Because what in the world is there to do over there during the Fall/Winter? (waiting list over there for home game season tickets is 35+ years for God's sake)

 

the Marlins are on the upswing right now. Things are glooking ood and they're gonna get better. I just can't put a number on average attendance just yet. My two cents~!

 

EDIT: Honestly? Sometimes I hope the Rays would move outta here. I don't think this state is big enough for two baseball teams, although I don't necessarily think we'd inherit all of the Rays fans if they left.

 

 

Oh man. Those poor people in the other 49 states. Nothing to do all summer but sit around the house.

 

What is there to do in the fall and winter?? Wow. It's an endless list. For a shortened one, google "Winter Olympics". Being cold isn't my thing, but there isn't a shortage of things to do. To be mentioned....Denver also has a waiting list for season tickets and has a very nice sell out streak going. Like decades long. Including preseason games. Good teams and bad teams.

 

The point is, Florida isn't a good fan base. It's just that simple.

While i agree florida isnt an ideal fan base you are dead wrong about things to do in the winter. florida is infinitely more active than the norhern states in the winter. I mean....you had to bring up the winter olympics as something to do.

 

LOL No. I brought up the Winter Olympics as an example of some of the outdoor activities to do in the Great White North. And that's just a very small sample of activities.

 

It never ceases to amaze me that some people think just because there is snow on the ground that people huddle around fires in their living room for 3 or 4 months out of the year. Simply not the case. People live in those areas because they like that kind of weather and enjoy the outdoor activities it affords them. Seeing that thre is alot more of them then there are Floridians, including snow birds, you would have to think they may be on to something.

 

Like I said. it's not for me. Although I have lived in northern states and really enjoyed alot of the winter activities. I prefer here, even with the killer summers.

the least expensive tickets will be $ 12.50 per game

 

 

Actually, there are at least 1,000 seats in sections 324-327 (upper deck down the 3B line) and at least 1,000 seats in sections 302-305 (upper deck down the 1B line) that are all $10.

 

I believe that's per seat if you buy the full season ticket package. I don't think any prices have been given out for single game tickets.

 

Check out what per game ticket prices are now for full season tickets. Then check out how much they are per game bought in advance, bought game day, and bought for "premium" games. It should give an idea of what they will be in 2012. Not going to be NFL type priceing. But it's going to make a family of four think hard before spending.

 

Then figure in parking will be more. And I'm wondering about food and drink prices as well.

I wouldn't say Florida isn't a good fan base. We just need to start winning, and the fans will come.

 

 

 

Which is one of the definitions of not being a good fan base. A good fan base supports their teams through the good and the bad.

 

But just for arguments sake......Show where this is true. Use any winning season or WS Championship year you want. Or years when we came out of the gates winning more than anyone. Wasn't it within the last couple years we were in 1st place in like June, tied with the best record in the NL with AZ, they came here to play, and no body showed up?

 

Every city, save for a couple, is like that. When you start winning, fans will come.

 

Our attendance did increase after we won in 03, but it was still pathetic. But, that was in Sun Life Stadium. No roof, heat, bad weather, and a bad stadium will do that. I can't guarantee it, but I feel that our new stadium will attract more fans than people realize.

And I hope you are right. But I only see that happening for the first year or two when it will be the place to be seen. Once that new stadium smell wears of.......

 

Yea, I know. I have a very cynical attitude towards the Florida fan base. But after 30 years of first hand witnessing it, it has become pretty ingrained. And I will say I am part of it. I have never been to a Heat game, rarely go to a Dolphins game, and even rarer will you see me at a Panthers game. But I don't like basketball or hockey at all. And I've never taken to the Dolphins. When I do go I cheer for them. Just don't go often.

Let's just hope your wrong, lol. Based on our TV ratings, and the team we will field heading into 2012, I think we can have a turn around fan base like the Twins. Only time can tell, though.

Let's just hope your wrong, lol. Based on our TV ratings, and the team we will field heading into 2012, I think we can have a turn around fan base like the Twins. Only time can tell, though.

 

 

The Twins have had very good attendance for years, in the mid to upper 20,000's per game. We are no where near that. I will say this, in Cleveland and San Francisco, before their new stadiums attendance sucked very badly for years. And in Oakland it really stinks too, but no one ever seems to make fun of their paltry crowds. Just the other morning, when watching Mike & Mike of course Greenie has to say something about there being only 4 people in the stands, and that there were more people involved in the brawl than in the stands. He and Golic always seem to take such pleasure in pot-shots at whatever sports team it is in So Fla. Just what do they have against this area ???

Mike Greenburg is a Jets fan and Golic was cut by the Dolphins when he was playing football. So, they seem to have hate for all of South Florida now. It also doesn't help that they work for ESPN.

Mike Greenburg is a Jets fan and Golic was cut by the Dolphins when he was playing football. So, they seem to have hate for all of South Florida now. It also doesn't help that they work for ESPN.

 

 

They also disagreed on Volstad throwing at Morgan the 2nd time...

It all depends on how we do in 2011 in my opinion.

If we have a winning season and don't make the playoffs I say the average attendance will be around 26 to 29 Thousand.

If we do make the playoffs in 2011 then I feel more people will believe and it'll boost up to about 27-30 Thousand average.

Its going to be high no matter what.

 

 

What is your estimate?

It all depends on how we do in 2011 in my opinion.

If we have a winning season and don't make the playoffs I say the average attendance will be around 26 to 29 Thousand.

If we do make the playoffs in 2011 then I feel more people will believe and it'll boost up to about 27-30 Thousand average.

 

 

 

Apparently season ticket sales are going pretty good for 2012. I'm not too concerned with that year. I really don't understand why anyone would be. It's the following years that I believe will take a drastic dip. Once that first seasom is over I think alot of folks will be dropping the season ticket packages. There will be current season ticket holders moving around for better seating for 2013, but I highly doubt new season ticket holders will suddenly appear and take up the slack. Regardless what happens on the field.

Who cares whether it's X thousand or Y thousand in '12 or '13 or '14 or any other subsequent year? All of them are going to be good, and all of them are going to be vastly superior to recent history.

 

Regardless of the precise number of bodies going through the turnstiles, they will soon have an operation capable of consistently spending the MLB median of about 80 mill per year. That's all they want. That's all we should expect because nothing beyond that is reasonable, this ain't New York or Boston or Chicago or LA.

 

Since this outfit has managed to be competitive with 25 or 30 or 40 mill/year, there's no reason to think that they are suddenly not going to compete and win spending 80 mill/year.

 

Over many years, as a median-payroll-type team that consistently over-performs, they slowly build the fan base, which enhances the team's value, which is Loria's long-term object. Meanwhile, we get to watch a quality team that winds up in the playoffs more often than they should (statistically) and maybe wins another WS or two over the next 20 years.

Who cares whether it's X thousand or Y thousand in '12 or '13 or '14 or any other subsequent year? All of them are going to be good, and all of them are going to be vastly superior to recent history.

 

Regardless of the precise number of bodies going through the turnstiles, they will soon have an operation capable of consistently spending the MLB median of about 80 mill per year. That's all they want. That's all we should expect because nothing beyond that is reasonable, this ain't New York or Boston or Chicago or LA.

 

Since this outfit has managed to be competitive with 25 or 30 or 40 mill/year, there's no reason to think that they are suddenly not going to compete and win spending 80 mill/year.

 

Over many years, as a median-payroll-type team that consistently over-performs, they slowly build the fan base, which enhances the team's value, which is Loria's long-term object. Meanwhile, we get to watch a quality team that winds up in the playoffs more often than they should (statistically) and maybe wins another WS or two over the next 20 years.

 

 

If this happens, living through all the cheap years will be worth it. :thumbup

Who cares whether it's X thousand or Y thousand in '12 or '13 or '14 or any other subsequent year? All of them are going to be good, and all of them are going to be vastly superior to recent history.

 

Regardless of the precise number of bodies going through the turnstiles, they will soon have an operation capable of consistently spending the MLB median of about 80 mill per year. That's all they want. That's all we should expect because nothing beyond that is reasonable, this ain't New York or Boston or Chicago or LA.

 

Since this outfit has managed to be competitive with 25 or 30 or 40 mill/year, there's no reason to think that they are suddenly not going to compete and win spending 80 mill/year.

 

Over many years, as a median-payroll-type team that consistently over-performs, they slowly build the fan base, which enhances the team's value, which is Loria's long-term object. Meanwhile, we get to watch a quality team that winds up in the playoffs more often than they should (statistically) and maybe wins another WS or two over the next 20 years.

 

 

If this happens, living through all the cheap years will be worth it. :thumbup

 

That's VERY TRUE

Who cares whether it's X thousand or Y thousand in '12 or '13 or '14 or any other subsequent year? All of them are going to be good, and all of them are going to be vastly superior to recent history.

 

Regardless of the precise number of bodies going through the turnstiles, they will soon have an operation capable of consistently spending the MLB median of about 80 mill per year. That's all they want. That's all we should expect because nothing beyond that is reasonable, this ain't New York or Boston or Chicago or LA.

 

Since this outfit has managed to be competitive with 25 or 30 or 40 mill/year, there's no reason to think that they are suddenly not going to compete and win spending 80 mill/year.

 

Over many years, as a median-payroll-type team that consistently over-performs, they slowly build the fan base, which enhances the team's value, which is Loria's long-term object. Meanwhile, we get to watch a quality team that winds up in the playoffs more often than they should (statistically) and maybe wins another WS or two over the next 20 years.

 

 

If this happens, living through all the cheap years will be worth it. :thumbup

 

That's VERY TRUE

 

Yep, and not to mention that the stadium will be in most of our backyards, it'll make things even better. I don't know about you all, but I feel like I have to take a road trip every time I want to see my home team play. Now I can get to the new stadium in about 3-4 tracks on my iPod and don't have to take a highway.

Who cares whether it's X thousand or Y thousand in '12 or '13 or '14 or any other subsequent year? All of them are going to be good, and all of them are going to be vastly superior to recent history.

 

Regardless of the precise number of bodies going through the turnstiles, they will soon have an operation capable of consistently spending the MLB median of about 80 mill per year. That's all they want. That's all we should expect because nothing beyond that is reasonable, this ain't New York or Boston or Chicago or LA.

 

Since this outfit has managed to be competitive with 25 or 30 or 40 mill/year, there's no reason to think that they are suddenly not going to compete and win spending 80 mill/year.

 

Over many years, as a median-payroll-type team that consistently over-performs, they slowly build the fan base, which enhances the team's value, which is Loria's long-term object. Meanwhile, we get to watch a quality team that winds up in the playoffs more often than they should (statistically) and maybe wins another WS or two over the next 20 years.

 

 

If this happens, living through all the cheap years will be worth it. :thumbup

 

That's VERY TRUE

 

Yep, and not to mention that the stadium will be in most of our backyards, it'll make things even better. I don't know about you all, but I feel like I have to take a road trip every time I want to see my home team play. Now I can get to the new stadium in about 3-4 tracks on my iPod and don't have to take a highway.

 

Nope, not me. I'll be taking the road trip :confused Robbie/Dolphin/ProPlayer/Dolphins/LandShark/SunLife is good for me so I'm going to miss the short 1 exit turnpike or 3 exits I-95.

Who cares whether it's X thousand or Y thousand in '12 or '13 or '14 or any other subsequent year? All of them are going to be good, and all of them are going to be vastly superior to recent history.

 

Regardless of the precise number of bodies going through the turnstiles, they will soon have an operation capable of consistently spending the MLB median of about 80 mill per year. That's all they want. That's all we should expect because nothing beyond that is reasonable, this ain't New York or Boston or Chicago or LA.

 

Since this outfit has managed to be competitive with 25 or 30 or 40 mill/year, there's no reason to think that they are suddenly not going to compete and win spending 80 mill/year.

 

Over many years, as a median-payroll-type team that consistently over-performs, they slowly build the fan base, which enhances the team's value, which is Loria's long-term object. Meanwhile, we get to watch a quality team that winds up in the playoffs more often than they should (statistically) and maybe wins another WS or two over the next 20 years.

 

 

If this happens, living through all the cheap years will be worth it. :thumbup

 

That's VERY TRUE

 

Yep, and not to mention that the stadium will be in most of our backyards, it'll make things even better. I don't know about you all, but I feel like I have to take a road trip every time I want to see my home team play. Now I can get to the new stadium in about 3-4 tracks on my iPod and don't have to take a highway.

 

Nope, not me. I'll be taking the road trip :confused Robbie/Dolphin/ProPlayer/Dolphins/LandShark/SunLife is good for me so I'm going to miss the short 1 exit turnpike or 3 exits I-95.

 

Ouch :$ How far are you from the Orange Bowl?

It will more than double my trip to around 20 miles. But time wise it may triple the time because of the side streets. It's easy to get in the present stadium. I don't think there will be as many entrances to enter.