Posted September 4, 201014 yr The ballpark's capacity is 37,000. What do you think our average attendance per game will be? I'm thinking around 31,000, which is about double what we're averaging right now.
September 4, 201014 yr 24,000...because someone has to say the low number. If team makes playoff in 2011 or is a playoff contender for 2012 then should be at least 28,000. That 1st month of home games should be at least 33,000+ every home game.
September 4, 201014 yr No one thinks it will be a sell out for the first year? :mis2 No, most likely not, sadly.
September 4, 201014 yr Author No one thinks it will be a sell out for the first year? :mis2 No, most likely not, sadly. why is that? Isn't the Marlins TV ratings in the top 10 in all of baseball? So they have the fans, and if there's no concern of weather delays, I don't see why the marlins wouldn't average 30,000+ per game.
September 4, 201014 yr I see 27, 000 average. Yet I could also see it almost selling out the entire first two years on gameday-- be it out of Loria's pocket for publicity, or our pockets as fans interested in seeing it 9 times as if it were the Second coming of Avatar.
September 4, 201014 yr why is that? Isn't the Marlins TV ratings in the top 10 in all of baseball? No, no it's not, unless you have some access to numbers that no one else knows about.
September 4, 201014 yr It will be interesting. The pirates jumped from 21,000 to 30,000 in their first year of the new stadium and they were terrible. A lot will depend on the team. If Stanton turns in to a premier power hitter in year 2 and JJ/Hanley continue to be two of the best in the league... and we are winning games, i see no reason why this team won't fill a beautiful stadium. That's why I think a hire of Ozzie would go a long way. Say what you will about the guy, but he will get the average fan talking about the team.
September 4, 201014 yr It'll improve significantly It takes a lot of years, and a lot of good teams to create and sustain a multiple sell-outs fanbase. We don't have the luxury of being an ancient baseball market like Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and Philadelphia. The Reds and Phils weren't very good for quite a few years, but since they became playoff contenders, they draw a lot of fans in the stands. Even in Pittsburgh, if the Pirates ever get their act together, would suddenly sell out their ballpark too. Same even for the Royals. I just thought I'd say that Florida in general is a very active, and fun state. The Marlins, or any sports team for that matter, has a lot to compete with in terms of entertainment. There's a lot of things to do in Florida, like enjoying the beach, sunshine, that sort of thing. For that reason, like I said, it'll take a lot of good Marlins years to build a huge fanbase. You ever wonder why, in contrast to Florida, football and the Packers is like a religion in Wisconsin and the Green Bay area? Because what in the world is there to do over there during the Fall/Winter? (waiting list over there for home game season tickets is 35+ years for God's sake) the Marlins are on the upswing right now. Things are glooking ood and they're gonna get better. I just can't put a number on average attendance just yet. My two cents~! EDIT: Honestly? Sometimes I hope the Rays would move outta here. I don't think this state is big enough for two baseball teams, although I don't necessarily think we'd inherit all of the Rays fans if they left.
September 4, 201014 yr 25,000 at most, unless this franchise surprises us with a huge signing or trade going into 2012.
September 4, 201014 yr Through 65 games the Twins are at 39,741 average, which is 100.6% of capacity and up about 10,600 from 2009. Since we're at about 18,000 this year, if one assumes that 2011 will be about the same then a good guess for 2012 might be about 29,000. Which would probably be disappointing to the FO, but would only be about 8,000 short of capacity. And, who knows? They might manage to sell out the entire first year, as the Twins essentially have done this year, and Target Field is a pretty dull and mundane stadium compared to what we're building.
September 4, 201014 yr I wouldn't call Target Field mundane. Interesting design inside and outside. Modern amenities and a nice location and view of downtown.
September 4, 201014 yr I wouldn't call Target Field mundane. I didn't. I said "Target Field is a pretty dull and mundane stadium compared to what we're building." Which it is, the two stadia aren't even in the same league. And I'm an old Twinkies fan, I went to my first Twins game in 1962, Tony Oliva's rookie season.
September 4, 201014 yr Further on Target Field, I'm sure it's a fine venue, it ought to be for $400 million even though it has no roof and Minneapolis is just as hot and humid as Miami in July and August. Lack of a roof notwithstanding, much like the football stadium we can't wait to get out of, Twins fans have to be ecstatic to be out of the Hump-dome where the Vikings play. And before that, 20 years in Metropolitan stadium (where the Vikings also played,) a glorified minor league park that had chain-link fences for an outfield wall and one level of risers with folding metal chairs (yeah, like the ones from school assemblies) for seats from 3B to the foul pole in the early years. Yes, Twins fans have been abused for far longer than we can even imagine. It took them 50 years to get a real ML baseball park. Our state-of-the-art park is going to create absolutely indelible memories for kids the first time they emerge into the seating bowl and see the sweeping panorama of perfectly manicured, emerald-green grass that is a major league baseball field. The effect will be magical, just as was the impression even the crummy Met made on me the first time I was there as a 10 year-old kid. It's stuff like that that will subsequently create a generation of loyal fans here, together with finally being able to consistently put a quality product on that beautiful field. Loria has created a sort of cathedral of baseball and it's going to get rave reviews, even from adults who are immune to the magic.
September 4, 201014 yr It'll improve significantly It takes a lot of years, and a lot of good teams to create and sustain a multiple sell-outs fanbase. We don't have the luxury of being an ancient baseball market like Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and Philadelphia. The Reds and Phils weren't very good for quite a few years, but since they became playoff contenders, they draw a lot of fans in the stands. Even in Pittsburgh, if the Pirates ever get their act together, would suddenly sell out their ballpark too. Same even for the Royals. I just thought I'd say that Florida in general is a very active, and fun state. The Marlins, or any sports team for that matter, has a lot to compete with in terms of entertainment. There's a lot of things to do in Florida, like enjoying the beach, sunshine, that sort of thing. For that reason, like I said, it'll take a lot of good Marlins years to build a huge fanbase. You ever wonder why, in contrast to Florida, football and the Packers is like a religion in Wisconsin and the Green Bay area? Because what in the world is there to do over there during the Fall/Winter? (waiting list over there for home game season tickets is 35+ years for God's sake) the Marlins are on the upswing right now. Things are glooking ood and they're gonna get better. I just can't put a number on average attendance just yet. My two cents~! EDIT: Honestly? Sometimes I hope the Rays would move outta here. I don't think this state is big enough for two baseball teams, although I don't necessarily think we'd inherit all of the Rays fans if they left. Oh man. Those poor people in the other 49 states. Nothing to do all summer but sit around the house. What is there to do in the fall and winter?? Wow. It's an endless list. For a shortened one, google "Winter Olympics". Being cold isn't my thing, but there isn't a shortage of things to do. To be mentioned....Denver also has a waiting list for season tickets and has a very nice sell out streak going. Like decades long. Including preseason games. Good teams and bad teams. The point is, Florida isn't a good fan base. It's just that simple.
September 4, 201014 yr I wouldn't say Florida isn't a good fan base. We just need to start winning, and the fans will come.
September 4, 201014 yr Interesting No one had BROUGHT UP THE MIAMI HEAT as a wildcard.... They will be working on their 3rd st8 year of sellouts... Just saying for the casual sports they will have nothing other than how great the HEAT are and this has to cannibalize into the Entertaimnet dollars that Marlins will also be chasing. Most people on this forum are more hardcore marlins/baseball fans in general than the casual fan. I already have my full season 2012 tix reserved
September 4, 201014 yr I think it's somewhere over 30,000. I'm a believer that the stadium's location will draw people out more often. I know it will for me...
September 4, 201014 yr No one thinks it will be a sell out for the first year? :mis2 No, most likely not, sadly. why is that? Isn't the Marlins TV ratings in the top 10 in all of baseball? So they have the fans, and if there's no concern of weather delays, I don't see why the marlins wouldn't average 30,000+ per game. Beacuse the economy is in the crapper here even more than in the rest of the country (we have over 12% unemployment in Miami-Dade and the national average in around 9.4%). Also you have the fact that cost of living is higher in So Fla, and the wage scale is lower, giving most regular people that live here less discretionary income to spend on things like going to ballgames. Couple this with, 1) MLB.TV sapping new fan interest (because you can stay at home and watch your old team - Yankees, Red Sox, or Cubs - instead of having to pay for expensive tickets to a new ballpark for a team you don't even care about), 2) Low fan interest from the mostly Hispanic community of Miami-Dade (boy was it a misjudgement when MLB just thought Cubans & Domincans would flock to see the Marlins - that was what we always heard that Cubans above everyone else would support baseball here and that just hasn't happened) and 3) Broward & Palm Beach folks refusing more than ever to attend games - I actually am very pessimistic about attendance at the new stadium, especially after seeing the least expensive tickets will be $ 12.50 per game. The 1st year they may average 34,000 the 1st two homestands, but starting in May it will be no more than a 20,000 for the rest of the year. I doubt we get more than 2 million in 2012, and then back down to 1.7 or 1.8 million in the next years. It is what it is.....still doesn't mean I won't keep rooting for the Marlins :thumbup
September 4, 201014 yr I wouldn't say Florida isn't a good fan base. We just need to start winning, and the fans will come. The Cubs aren't winning and they sell out every game.
September 4, 201014 yr It will be interesting. The pirates jumped from 21,000 to 30,000 in their first year of the new stadium and they were terrible. A lot will depend on the team. If Stanton turns in to a premier power hitter in year 2 and JJ/Hanley continue to be two of the best in the league... and we are winning games, i see no reason why this team won't fill a beautiful stadium. That's why I think a hire of Ozzie would go a long way. Say what you will about the guy, but he will get the average fan talking about the team. And Ozzie would get the Hispanic community fired up too. That is why I think you can count on at least Edwin being retained. I think its critical of Loria to make sure he has a strong Latino presence on the team from now on. Expect our FA signings and draft picks to keep this in mind.
September 4, 201014 yr I wouldn't say Florida isn't a good fan base. We just need to start winning, and the fans will come. The Cubs aren't winning and they sell out every game. That is a 100% different situation. They are in a city 4 times the size of Miami, play in a stadium that is considered one of the Great Cathedrals of the game, and people have latched on to their "loveable losers" mentality.
September 4, 201014 yr Interesting No one had BROUGHT UP THE MIAMI HEAT as a wildcard.... They will be working on their 3rd st8 year of sellouts... Just saying for the casual sports they will have nothing other than how great the HEAT are and this has to cannibalize into the Entertaimnet dollars that Marlins will also be chasing. Most people on this forum are more hardcore marlins/baseball fans in general than the casual fan. I already have my full season 2012 tix reserved The Miami Heat will only affect the Marlins from Apr to early June. The Marlins are the only show in town most of their regular season.
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