Anonymous Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Actually, I'm starting to worry about Hanley, as well. Against RHP: .167/.262/.204, 22.2 K%, 61.9 GB%, 9.5 LD%. That doesn't include his 0-4, K day today. How long do you think that lasts? Hanley, throughout his career, rakes right handed pitching. Those numbers will improve. It's not really about the results; it's what he's doing to get those results. He's striking out more, not hitting line drives, and hitting groundballs way more than he ever has. If it was simply a matter of bad luck, I'd say "well, whatever," but right now, he kinda just really sucks against right-handed pitching. The only positive thing about his line against right-handed pitching is that he's still drawing walks. Absolutely no power, though; .037 .ISO, to be exact. That's pathetic. It's amazing that we're 23-16, despite his play being so pathetic. That is true. However, I expect those results to change because throughout his career, this isn't how Hanley performs against right handed pitching. I don't just expect him to all of a sudden struggling against right handed pitching in the prime of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymous Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Volstad is better than most #4's and better than almost all #5's - so I wish we would stop putting him in the same category with Vazquez who is currently hapless. Pretty sure this is not true. He's a #5. In the National League. Me either. I don't expect him to be Cole Hamels, but a number 4 has to put up better than a 1.50 WHIP and 5.00+ ERA. One name I like that you mentioned is Wandy Rodriguez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitDaCycle Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 So is this going to be the first time Hanley isn't an All Star? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 So is this going to be the first time Hanley isn't an All Star? At this rate, yeah. EDIT: I'm not sure if he's been in the game every year, since he's been in the league. The game is rather irrelevant, so I don't keep up with it lol. But if he's made it every year, he's certainly on pace to miss it for the first time this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitDaCycle Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 So is this going to be the first time Hanley isn't an All Star? At this rate, yeah. I'm hoping that perhaps he'll be better after the second half. But just waiting for a magical change seems a bit optimistic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbethan Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 So is this going to be the first time Hanley isn't an All Star? At this rate, yeah. EDIT: I'm not sure if he's been in the game every year, since he's been in the league. The game is rather irrelevant, so I don't keep up with it lol. But if he's made it every year, he's certainly on pace to miss it for the first time this year. 2008 was his first time. He wasn't an AS in 2006 or 2007. If you remember, he was really mad he got snubbed in 2007. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerhead Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Actually, I'm starting to worry about Hanley, as well. Against RHP: .167/.262/.204, 22.2 K%, 61.9 GB%, 9.5 LD%. That doesn't include his 0-4, K day today. How long do you think that lasts? Hanley, throughout his career, rakes right handed pitching. Those numbers will improve. It's not really about the results; it's what he's doing to get those results. He's striking out more, not hitting line drives, and hitting groundballs way more than he ever has. If it was simply a matter of bad luck, I'd say "well, whatever," but right now, he kinda just really sucks against right-handed pitching. The only positive thing about his line against right-handed pitching is that he's still drawing walks. Absolutely no power, though; .037 .ISO, to be exact. That's pathetic. It's amazing that we're 23-16, despite his play being so pathetic. He needs to not hit third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitDaCycle Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 So is this going to be the first time Hanley isn't an All Star? At this rate, yeah. EDIT: I'm not sure if he's been in the game every year, since he's been in the league. The game is rather irrelevant, so I don't keep up with it lol. But if he's made it every year, he's certainly on pace to miss it for the first time this year. 2008 was his first time. He wasn't an AS in 2006 or 2007. If you remember, he was really mad he got snubbed in 2007. Then if he doesn't become an All Star again, maybe he'll get mad enough to actually start hitting again :mis2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 If they were picking the teams today, Gaby would have to be the backup 1B. Only Joey Votto has been better (that is, assuming Votto actually gets the fan vote instead of Pujols). JJ and Leo would also make it. We'd have three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymous Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Morrison could have a chance by July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitDaCycle Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 If they were picking the teams today, Gaby would have to be the backup 1B. Only Joey Votto has been better (that is, assuming Votto actually gets the fan vote instead of Pujols). JJ and Leo would also make it. We'd have three. Gaby definitely deserves to be there but yeah I doubt he'd start. JJ will be there, no doubt there. I don't care one way or the other if Hanley makes it or not and I'm sure he won't if he continues at this pace. But I hope if he doesn't make it, it lights a fire in him, just causes something to snap and he goes on a tear in the second half. :crossfingers Either that or he should just dye his hair again heh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 If Hanley heats up a lot and has all-star numbers by the all-star break but doesn't make it... I'd like him to go Dan Uggla on the league. Dan's 2nd half last year was oh my yummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBob27 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I was at the 3rd and final game and if not for Vazquez' first inning I think we have a chance to win. LoMo's error in the 1st didn't help as the Nats ended up scoring another 2 runs.I am not optimistic or even a fan of Vazquez. No pitcher should be that bad ever there is no excuses time to quit Vazquez. 6 hits in the 1st inning. Hanley sucked too getting sick of his crap as well, but we all keep saying oh he will come out of it, he had a couple opportunities to be clutch and was anything but. Overall all I wanted to see was the Marlins take the series and win 2 out of 3 but it's not like this final game surprised us, I mean seriously... Infante pinch hitting was a fail. This team has a chance to be good still just frustrating sometimes, the LOB and RISP reminded me of a Marlins team 2 years ago. Failed to mention Hanley's play in that 1st as well. Taking his time throwing to 1B allowed Werth to reach (Werth BETTER have taken Hanley out to dinner for that gift). Should have been an easy out. His defense is mirroring his offense. Sometimes a great play happens, and then......... Still, no excuse for Vaz. His 1st innings are killing him and the team. After that he seems to coast on through. But it's too little too late. His pitch counts are already elevated so he isn't going to last long and he puts the team in a hole. I'm agreeing with what Tommy said. Time to change up his routine and see if that helps. If not, c-ya. Can't see how moving him to the pen would help if his 1st inning woes are any indication of what he would be like out of there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoFishGoMs628 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I was at the 3rd and final game and if not for Vazquez' first inning I think we have a chance to win. LoMo's error in the 1st didn't help as the Nats ended up scoring another 2 runs.I am not optimistic or even a fan of Vazquez. No pitcher should be that bad ever there is no excuses time to quit Vazquez. 6 hits in the 1st inning. Hanley sucked too getting sick of his crap as well, but we all keep saying oh he will come out of it, he had a couple opportunities to be clutch and was anything but. Overall all I wanted to see was the Marlins take the series and win 2 out of 3 but it's not like this final game surprised us, I mean seriously... Infante pinch hitting was a fail. This team has a chance to be good still just frustrating sometimes, the LOB and RISP reminded me of a Marlins team 2 years ago. Failed to mention Hanley's play in that 1st as well. Taking his time throwing to 1B allowed Werth to reach (Werth BETTER have taken Hanley out to dinner for that gift). Should have been an easy out. His defense is mirroring his offense. Sometimes a great play happens, and then......... Still, no excuse for Vaz. His 1st innings are killing him and the team. After that he seems to coast on through. But it's too little too late. His pitch counts are already elevated so he isn't going to last long and he puts the team in a hole. I'm agreeing with what Tommy said. Time to change up his routine and see if that helps. If not, c-ya. Can't see how moving him to the pen would help if his 1st inning woes are any indication of what he would be like out of there. I totally agree, I will say that it was (iirc) a hit and run and whoever was on first got a good enough jump to get to 2nd before Hanley could make a play, and that may have cost him, or he could have been his casual self collecting a ground ball. After the play I saw how the ball was hit and was wondering how Werth beat it out, if not for that we give up 3 runs maybe 4 max. Hanley is really frustrating and like you have said his bad hitting is contributing to bad defense but to be honest I have never seen him as a great defender realistically, I know he will make a great play every once in a while but, I think his defense is overrated by most baseball fans. Maybe we are really starting to see what we will get from Hanley... Should I be happy he is hitting over .200 or should I be worried, about him being a team leader, someone said it earlier but right now I would rather him hit than worry about being a leader or anything else for that matter, he is already care free enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoFishGoMs628 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 It would help our run differential if our "superstar" SS started playing up to expectations. Of course, I suppose that evens out because some guys are overachieving, but Hanley still has to produce, either way. It's now a month and a half and his #'s (specifically, his #'s against right-handed pitching) are a joke. With that said, I don't think winning one-run games is simply a matter of luck. It's no coincidence that we're 11-4 in one-run games and we have the 2nd best bullpen ERA in baseball, at the same time. Certainly luck is involved, but having a very good bullpen certainly helps. Better team defense helps, as well. Who is overachieving? I hope you are only talking about Bonifacio in this (who's numbers are staring to slide) and MAYBE Dobbs. Why look for a 3B when you have a couple overachieving players at least we don't have to worry much about 3B this year maybe give enough time for Dom to get healthy if he is in fact the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 It would help our run differential if our "superstar" SS started playing up to expectations. Of course, I suppose that evens out because some guys are overachieving, but Hanley still has to produce, either way. It's now a month and a half and his #'s (specifically, his #'s against right-handed pitching) are a joke. With that said, I don't think winning one-run games is simply a matter of luck. It's no coincidence that we're 11-4 in one-run games and we have the 2nd best bullpen ERA in baseball, at the same time. Certainly luck is involved, but having a very good bullpen certainly helps. Better team defense helps, as well. Who is overachieving? I hope you are only talking about Bonifacio in this (who's numbers are staring to slide) and MAYBE Dobbs. Why look for a 3B when you have a couple overachieving players at least we don't have to worry much about 3B this year maybe give enough time for Dom to get healthy if he is in fact the answer. Gaby Sanchez and Logan Morrison, at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoFishGoMs628 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 It would help our run differential if our "superstar" SS started playing up to expectations. Of course, I suppose that evens out because some guys are overachieving, but Hanley still has to produce, either way. It's now a month and a half and his #'s (specifically, his #'s against right-handed pitching) are a joke. With that said, I don't think winning one-run games is simply a matter of luck. It's no coincidence that we're 11-4 in one-run games and we have the 2nd best bullpen ERA in baseball, at the same time. Certainly luck is involved, but having a very good bullpen certainly helps. Better team defense helps, as well. Who is overachieving? I hope you are only talking about Bonifacio in this (who's numbers are staring to slide) and MAYBE Dobbs. Why look for a 3B when you have a couple overachieving players at least we don't have to worry much about 3B this year maybe give enough time for Dom to get healthy if he is in fact the answer. Gaby Sanchez and Logan Morrison, at least. Are you serious? NO. If you think they are over achieving I would like to see what you think there "normal" performance would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 It would help our run differential if our "superstar" SS started playing up to expectations. Of course, I suppose that evens out because some guys are overachieving, but Hanley still has to produce, either way. It's now a month and a half and his #'s (specifically, his #'s against right-handed pitching) are a joke. With that said, I don't think winning one-run games is simply a matter of luck. It's no coincidence that we're 11-4 in one-run games and we have the 2nd best bullpen ERA in baseball, at the same time. Certainly luck is involved, but having a very good bullpen certainly helps. Better team defense helps, as well. Who is overachieving? I hope you are only talking about Bonifacio in this (who's numbers are staring to slide) and MAYBE Dobbs. Why look for a 3B when you have a couple overachieving players at least we don't have to worry much about 3B this year maybe give enough time for Dom to get healthy if he is in fact the answer. Gaby Sanchez and Logan Morrison, at least. Are you serious? NO. If you think they are over achieving I would like to see what you think there "normal" performance would be. Logan Morrison's OPS is 1.066, which would be 2nd in the NL if he qualified. Gaby Sanchez's OPS is .952, which is 5th in the NL among qualified hitters. You're batcrap insane if you think those guys are top-5 hitters in the national league. They can't sustain those numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoFishGoMs628 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 It would help our run differential if our "superstar" SS started playing up to expectations. Of course, I suppose that evens out because some guys are overachieving, but Hanley still has to produce, either way. It's now a month and a half and his #'s (specifically, his #'s against right-handed pitching) are a joke. With that said, I don't think winning one-run games is simply a matter of luck. It's no coincidence that we're 11-4 in one-run games and we have the 2nd best bullpen ERA in baseball, at the same time. Certainly luck is involved, but having a very good bullpen certainly helps. Better team defense helps, as well. Who is overachieving? I hope you are only talking about Bonifacio in this (who's numbers are staring to slide) and MAYBE Dobbs. Why look for a 3B when you have a couple overachieving players at least we don't have to worry much about 3B this year maybe give enough time for Dom to get healthy if he is in fact the answer. Gaby Sanchez and Logan Morrison, at least. Are you serious? NO. If you think they are over achieving I would like to see what you think there "normal" performance would be. Logan Morrison's OPS is 1.066, which would be 2nd in the NL if he qualified. Gaby Sanchez's OPS is .952, which is 5th in the NL among qualified hitters. You're batcrap insane if you think those guys are top-5 hitters in the national league. They can't sustain those numbers. Neither are top 5 in the National League, obviously but they are talented young players, I like BA and I can't really see them both falling off to under .300 anytime soon. Hopefully with OPS they can sustain until Hanley gets back to normal... if that ever does happen. In 2010 LoMo had an .837 OPS Sanchez had a .788 OPS They could both have good years and sustain about a .900 OPS I would not be one bit surprised and it is still very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Sucks that while Vazquez is still in the rotation we are almost guaranteed to lose every 5th game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 It would help our run differential if our "superstar" SS started playing up to expectations. Of course, I suppose that evens out because some guys are overachieving, but Hanley still has to produce, either way. It's now a month and a half and his #'s (specifically, his #'s against right-handed pitching) are a joke. With that said, I don't think winning one-run games is simply a matter of luck. It's no coincidence that we're 11-4 in one-run games and we have the 2nd best bullpen ERA in baseball, at the same time. Certainly luck is involved, but having a very good bullpen certainly helps. Better team defense helps, as well. Who is overachieving? I hope you are only talking about Bonifacio in this (who's numbers are staring to slide) and MAYBE Dobbs. Why look for a 3B when you have a couple overachieving players at least we don't have to worry much about 3B this year maybe give enough time for Dom to get healthy if he is in fact the answer. Gaby and LoMo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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