I'm pissed that I have another Marlins shirt now with a traded Marlin on the back.

 

 

You can always get a Yankee Shirt. They don't hardly get rid of anyone big.Of course money helps alot.

I'm pissed that I have another Marlins shirt now with a traded Marlin on the back.

 

 

You can always get a Yankee Shirt. They don't hardly get rid of anyone big.Of course money helps alot.

Plus they don't put names on the back of their jerseys, so ...

I'm pissed that I have another Marlins shirt now with a traded Marlin on the back.

 

 

You can always get a Yankee Shirt. They don't hardly get rid of anyone big.Of course money helps alot.

Plus they don't put names on the back of their jerseys, so ...

 

Yep, that 2.

I love how a bunch of people on the internet know that they could have gotten more for Hanley Ramirez. We're not talking about trading away Miguel Cabrera in his prime. We're talking about trading away a guy near 0 WAR and is owed 15 million over the next two years.

 

 

He has a 1.4 WAR. He would've most likely reached 2 WAR by the end of the season. He's an average player at this point.

 

Average players making the amount of money he makes aren't valuable.

I'll agree with the thought that this was probably a bad time to trade him, but time will tell on that. If Hanley continues to be the player of the past couple of years, this is a good trade to get rid of that salary. And I doubt anyone wanted to trade Hanley when he was good so when was the right time (not directed at you, directed at Sirspud)?

 

I wouldn't have been the first to claim that Hanley should have been traded after he won the batting title. But trading him now, when most of us can agree his value was nearly nothing, doesn't really make sense either. I don't think waiting until the end of the season would have caused his value to lower.

 

I consider trading a player performing as well as Hanley was to be a mistake, but I consider trading him when he is performing as far below his caeer averages as he is right now is a far worse mistake.

As the GM, what are you supposed to do? Continue with a top tier payroll for a sub-.500 team? This experiment was a failure. Time to drop the deadweight and try something else.

 

 

I feel that way about the GM. Let's drop the deadweight. The Marlins were always renowned for simply not being the worst team in the league when they had a low pay roll. Now that the payroll was truly opened up and the FO was given a chance to operate without handicap, they gave us a total disaster.

As the GM, what are you supposed to do? Continue with a top tier payroll for a sub-.500 team? This experiment was a failure. Time to drop the deadweight and try something else.

 

 

I feel that way about the GM. Let's drop the deadweight. The Marlins were always renowned for simply not being the worst team in the league when they had a low pay roll. Now that the payroll was truly opened up and the FO was given a chance to operate without handicap, they gave us a total disaster.

 

So they were to expect that 2 of your three big free agent acquisitions would have the worst years of their careers regardless of contract numbers?

As the GM, what are you supposed to do? Continue with a top tier payroll for a sub-.500 team? This experiment was a failure. Time to drop the deadweight and try something else.

 

 

I feel that way about the GM. Let's drop the deadweight. The Marlins were always renowned for simply not being the worst team in the league when they had a low pay roll. Now that the payroll was truly opened up and the FO was given a chance to operate without handicap, they gave us a total disaster.

 

So they were to expect that 2 of your three big free agent acquisitions would have the worst years of their careers regardless of contract numbers?

Yes, of course.

Srsly. :|

As the GM, what are you supposed to do? Continue with a top tier payroll for a sub-.500 team? This experiment was a failure. Time to drop the deadweight and try something else.

 

 

I feel that way about the GM. Let's drop the deadweight. The Marlins were always renowned for simply not being the worst team in the league when they had a low pay roll. Now that the payroll was truly opened up and the FO was given a chance to operate without handicap, they gave us a total disaster.

 

So they were to expect that 2 of your three big free agent acquisitions would have the worst years of their careers regardless of contract numbers?

Yes, of course.

Srsly. :|

 

Remember that crystal ball I was talking about. Sirspud has admittedly had it for years.

As the GM, what are you supposed to do? Continue with a top tier payroll for a sub-.500 team? This experiment was a failure. Time to drop the deadweight and try something else.

 

 

I feel that way about the GM. Let's drop the deadweight. The Marlins were always renowned for simply not being the worst team in the league when they had a low pay roll. Now that the payroll was truly opened up and the FO was given a chance to operate without handicap, they gave us a total disaster.

 

So they were to expect that 2 of your three big free agent acquisitions would have the worst years of their careers regardless of contract numbers?

Yes, of course.

Srsly. :|

 

Remember that crystal ball I was talking about. Sirspud has admittedly had it for years.

Yes, he does, CanesCop. How can you ever doubt his ability?

My crystal ball must have no Kung Fu.

I love how a bunch of people on the internet know that they could have gotten more for Hanley Ramirez. We're not talking about trading away Miguel Cabrera in his prime. We're talking about trading away a guy near 0 WAR and is owed 15 million over the next two years.

 

 

He has a 1.4 WAR. He would've most likely reached 2 WAR by the end of the season. He's an average player at this point.

 

Average players making the amount of money he makes aren't valuable.

I'll agree with the thought that this was probably a bad time to trade him, but time will tell on that. If Hanley continues to be the player of the past couple of years, this is a good trade to get rid of that salary. And I doubt anyone wanted to trade Hanley when he was good so when was the right time (not directed at you, directed at Sirspud)?

 

I wouldn't have been the first to claim that Hanley should have been traded after he won the batting title. But trading him now, when most of us can agree his value was nearly nothing, doesn't really make sense either. I don't think waiting until the end of the season would have caused his value to lower.

 

I consider trading a player performing as well as Hanley was to be a mistake, but I consider trading him when he is performing as far below his caeer averages as he is right now is a far worse mistake.

Teams are more desperate now, and they have many more options in the offseason.

Let's get a few things right, all the trades the Marlins made in 2005 were busts with two exceptions. Hanley wasn't producing, but you dont give up on a former batting champion who is 28 years old and get peanuts in return. The Marlins FO is horrible. At the moment we have almost nothing in our farm system and there is not a plethora of free-agents this upcoming year with the exception of Greinke.

 

So where is the organization heading? Why couldn't Magic Johnson have bought the Marlins and we could have traded for Kemp and Greinke?

 

The FO brought in both Guillen and Zambrano (to the cheers of many on here) and stupidly pushed hard for Pujols. LoMo might be the next Hermida, Matt Domiguez was nothing, Nolasco is mediocre, we lack a CF while Alejandro De Aza tears it up in Chicago, Girardi, the best manager in baseball, in laughing from NYC.

 

We look to be destined to a decade of mediocrity. Stanton will be the next to go, and I'm sure he can't wait.

 

Ahahahaha, really? Trade for Kemp and Greinke? De Aza tearing it up? Girardi the best manager in baseball? What the hell are you on?

I love how a bunch of people on the internet know that they could have gotten more for Hanley Ramirez. We're not talking about trading away Miguel Cabrera in his prime. We're talking about trading away a guy near 0 WAR and is owed 15 million over the next two years.

 

 

He has a 1.4 WAR. He would've most likely reached 2 WAR by the end of the season. He's an average player at this point.

 

Average players making the amount of money he makes aren't valuable.

I'll agree with the thought that this was probably a bad time to trade him, but time will tell on that. If Hanley continues to be the player of the past couple of years, this is a good trade to get rid of that salary. And I doubt anyone wanted to trade Hanley when he was good so when was the right time (not directed at you, directed at Sirspud)?

 

I wouldn't have been the first to claim that Hanley should have been traded after he won the batting title. But trading him now, when most of us can agree his value was nearly nothing, doesn't really make sense either. I don't think waiting until the end of the season would have caused his value to lower.

 

I consider trading a player performing as well as Hanley was to be a mistake, but I consider trading him when he is performing as far below his caeer averages as he is right now is a far worse mistake.

 

That's probably not true unless he becomes the Hanley of old in the 2nd half.

Let's get a few things right, all the trades the Marlins made in 2005 were busts with two exceptions. Hanley wasn't producing, but you dont give up on a former batting champion who is 28 years old and get peanuts in return. The Marlins FO is horrible. At the moment we have almost nothing in our farm system and there is not a plethora of free-agents this upcoming year with the exception of Greinke.

 

So where is the organization heading? Why couldn't Magic Johnson have bought the Marlins and we could have traded for Kemp and Greinke?

 

The FO brought in both Guillen and Zambrano (to the cheers of many on here) and stupidly pushed hard for Pujols. LoMo might be the next Hermida, Matt Domiguez was nothing, Nolasco is mediocre, we lack a CF while Alejandro De Aza tears it up in Chicago, Girardi, the best manager in baseball, in laughing from NYC.

 

We look to be destined to a decade of mediocrity. Stanton will be the next to go, and I'm sure he can't wait.

 

Ahahahaha, really? Trade for Kemp and Greinke? De Aza tearing it up? Girardi the best manager in baseball? What the hell are you on?

Bath salts. :|

I'm pissed that I have another Marlins shirt now with a traded Marlin on the back.

 

 

You can always get a Yankee Shirt. They don't hardly get rid of anyone big.Of course money helps alot.

Plus they don't put names on the back of their jerseys, so ...

 

Yep, that 2.

I'm pretty sure that on the Yankee jersey T-shirts I've seen, they almost always include the player's last name.

I'm pissed that I have another Marlins shirt now with a traded Marlin on the back.

 

 

You can always get a Yankee Shirt. They don't hardly get rid of anyone big.Of course money helps alot.

Plus they don't put names on the back of their jerseys, so ...

 

Yep, that 2.

I'm pretty sure that on the Yankee jersey T-shirts I've seen, they almost always include the player's last name.

 

Your right and on some replica jerseys.

Let's get a few things right, all the trades the Marlins made in 2005 were busts with two exceptions. Hanley wasn't producing, but you dont give up on a former batting champion who is 28 years old and get peanuts in return. The Marlins FO is horrible. At the moment we have almost nothing in our farm system and there is not a plethora of free-agents this upcoming year with the exception of Greinke.

 

So where is the organization heading? Why couldn't Magic Johnson have bought the Marlins and we could have traded for Kemp and Greinke?

 

The FO brought in both Guillen and Zambrano (to the cheers of many on here) and stupidly pushed hard for Pujols. LoMo might be the next Hermida, Matt Domiguez was nothing, Nolasco is mediocre, we lack a CF while Alejandro De Aza tears it up in Chicago, Girardi, the best manager in baseball, in laughing from NYC.

 

We look to be destined to a decade of mediocrity. Stanton will be the next to go, and I'm sure he can't wait.

 

Ahahahaha, really? Trade for Kemp and Greinke? De Aza tearing it up? Girardi the best manager in baseball? What the hell are you on?

 

Yes? Kemp is a pipe-dream, but Greinke was definitely not seeing as he's an impending FA who the Marlins FO are quite enamored with. Alejadro De Aza is having a very productive year at a bargain price, if you didn't know that, look up his numbers. I wish he was our CF. To doubt that Girardi is one of the best managers in baseball is ridiculous. Do some research on Greinke and De Aza's before you type.

De Aza played 67 games in 3 years here. Yes we should have kept that guy around.

 

 

Not to mention he wasn't even good in those 67 games.