Passan is, what shall we say, misguided and always has been.

 

Loria got rid of Buehrle because he would have popped his (already horrendous) loss up by 5 totally unnecessary million dollars this year for what would be at best his usual average performance.

 

Reyes is a pure liar. Nobody in their right mind thinks Loria gave him any direct, solicited advice about buying a house or anything else. Maybe at some point he said "Hey, Florida is great, you should live here" or something like that. Not that it matters, if you're so stupid as to not get it in writing when concluding a contract worth over 100 million dollars, then you and your agent (and/or your lawyers) are total morons, get over it, you screwed up, and stop blaming someone else.

 

So you are still trying to convince people the Marlins lost money last year?

 

And as for Reyes, he has no reason to lie. Loria has every reason to lie.

What would Loria gain by voluntarily telling Reyes to go buy a home two days before trading him? Please explain that because it makes no sense if you think about it. Loria's story makes sense, Reyes' doesn't.

Admin, do you thibk Loria is a good owner?

 

He's been my favorite Marlins owner. I certainly think he is blamed way too much and is given a bad reaction no matter what he does or says. If he said today was Tuesday, some people would say he is lying.

Admin, do you thibk Loria is a good owner?

 

He's been my favorite Marlins owner. I certainly think he is blamed way too much and is given a bad reaction no matter what he does or says. If he said today was Tuesday, some people would say he is lying.

That really doesn't answer the question, do you think he's a good owner?

Admin, do you thibk Loria is a good owner?

 

He's been my favorite Marlins owner. I certainly think he is blamed way too much and is given a bad reaction no matter what he does or says. If he said today was Tuesday, some people would say he is lying.

That really doesn't answer the question, do you think he's a good owner?

 

 

I think he is no better or worse than a lot of sports owners. He's not good or bad really, just average.

 

It's irrelevant though, I don't defend him when I do because he's good or because I like him. I defend him when it's fair to since a lot of people just have a bias against him.

There is no red ink when he does this. He makes bundles. Drop payroll, lower attendance, higher profits. He does not care otherwise and if his blind squirrel finds a nut, ok, then he takes the credit.

 

Loria will not be able to get away with keeping payroll much below $60 million in future years. Union and other owners simply will not permit it. Loria can make millions from the Marlins but no longer tens of millions.

 

And, at this point, it really doesn't matter whether Loria is a good or a bad owner. The Marlin's history and his reputation among fans, local press and national press - deserved or undeserved - precludes his regime from achieving the revenue increases that the franchise requires to be competitive.

 

The Marlins are not and will not be a self sustaining franchise under Jeffrey Loria. They continue to exist only because of the largesse of other franchises.

 

They are not essential to the operation of the League. They are not important to South Florida. That could change but not with Loria as owner.

Passan is, what shall we say, misguided and always has been.

 

Loria got rid of Buehrle because he would have popped his (already horrendous) loss up by 5 totally unnecessary million dollars this year for what would be at best his usual average performance.

 

Reyes is a pure liar. Nobody in their right mind thinks Loria gave him any direct, solicited advice about buying a house or anything else. Maybe at some point he said "Hey, Florida is great, you should live here" or something like that. Not that it matters, if you're so stupid as to not get it in writing when concluding a contract worth over 100 million dollars, then you and your agent (and/or your lawyers) are total morons, get over it, you screwed up, and stop blaming someone else.

 

So you are still trying to convince people the Marlins lost money last year?

 

And as for Reyes, he has no reason to lie. Loria has every reason to lie.

What would Loria gain by voluntarily telling Reyes to go buy a home two days before trading him? Please explain that because it makes no sense if you think about it. Loria's story makes sense, Reyes' doesn't.

 

What about Reyes story doesn't make sense? He says Loria told him to buy a house and he was here for the long haul. Thats pretty straight forward.

 

And once again, Reyes has no reason to lie. Loria does, just like he has lied throughout his tenure as a MLB owner.

 

I cant fathom how you believe he is an "average" owner, when 99.9% of the sports world considers him and Donald Sterling to be 1A and 1B as the worst owners in the history of professional sports.

I've been away for a few months and come back to this letter from our A-hole owner. When will the Loria nightmare end?

Passan is, what shall we say, misguided and always has been.

 

Loria got rid of Buehrle because he would have popped his (already horrendous) loss up by 5 totally unnecessary million dollars this year for what would be at best his usual average performance.

 

Reyes is a pure liar. Nobody in their right mind thinks Loria gave him any direct, solicited advice about buying a house or anything else. Maybe at some point he said "Hey, Florida is great, you should live here" or something like that. Not that it matters, if you're so stupid as to not get it in writing when concluding a contract worth over 100 million dollars, then you and your agent (and/or your lawyers) are total morons, get over it, you screwed up, and stop blaming someone else.

 

So you are still trying to convince people the Marlins lost money last year?

 

And as for Reyes, he has no reason to lie. Loria has every reason to lie.

What would Loria gain by voluntarily telling Reyes to go buy a home two days before trading him? Please explain that because it makes no sense if you think about it. Loria's story makes sense, Reyes' doesn't.

 

What about Reyes story doesn't make sense? He says Loria told him to buy a house and he was here for the long haul. Thats pretty straight forward.

 

 

Again... What would Loria gain from telling Reyes that when he knew was going to trade him soon?

 

He's not a comicbook villain who gets off on doing evil things just to do them.

Passan is, what shall we say, misguided and always has been.

 

Loria got rid of Buehrle because he would have popped his (already horrendous) loss up by 5 totally unnecessary million dollars this year for what would be at best his usual average performance.

 

Reyes is a pure liar. Nobody in their right mind thinks Loria gave him any direct, solicited advice about buying a house or anything else. Maybe at some point he said "Hey, Florida is great, you should live here" or something like that. Not that it matters, if you're so stupid as to not get it in writing when concluding a contract worth over 100 million dollars, then you and your agent (and/or your lawyers) are total morons, get over it, you screwed up, and stop blaming someone else.

 

So you are still trying to convince people the Marlins lost money last year?

 

And as for Reyes, he has no reason to lie. Loria has every reason to lie.

What would Loria gain by voluntarily telling Reyes to go buy a home two days before trading him? Please explain that because it makes no sense if you think about it. Loria's story makes sense, Reyes' doesn't.

 

What about Reyes story doesn't make sense? He says Loria told him to buy a house and he was here for the long haul. Thats pretty straight forward.

 

And once again, Reyes has no reason to lie. Loria does, just like he has lied throughout his tenure as a MLB owner.

 

I cant fathom how you believe he is an "average" owner, when 99.9% of the sports world considers him and Donald Sterling to be 1A and 1B as the worst owners in the history of professional sports.

 

 

To be fair, you didn't really answer the question.

 

What would Loria get out of telling Reyes to buy a house in Miami?

Reyes does have a reason to lie. He signed a long-term deal here and was traded after a year. Why wouldn't he talk shit about Loria and the Marlins organization?

Reyes really hasnt talked shit though. He said the team gave him a verbal promise that he wouldnt be dealt and that Loria told him to buy a house. Both are very believable.

So, you're just never going to answer the question? That just backs up what I said earlier, some people have a bias with Loria when it comes to everything. This is a case where it makes zero sense to believe Reyes' side of the story.

We'll never find out the truth but I'll believe Reyes because the other guy is Loria.

We'll never find out the truth but I'll believe Reyes because the other guy is Loria.

 

Why would Loria do it though?

 

There's only 2 explanations. Either he had a house to sell and wanted Reyes to buy it or he's an evil mastermind and wanted to give an evil laugh while watching Reyes pack up his brand new home.

 

I guess you're saying it's one of those two?

"He's not a comicbook villain who gets off on doing evil things just to do them."

 

he pretty much is. but not so much a destroy the city type. more of a Mr. Burns from the Simpsons type.

We'll never find out the truth but I'll believe Reyes because the other guy is Loria.

 

Why would Loria do it though?

 

There's only 2 explanations. Either he had a house to sell and wanted Reyes to buy it or he's an evil mastermind and wanted to give an evil laugh while watching Reyes pack up his brand new home.

 

I guess you're saying it's one of those two?

 

I'm not really saying any of that. This whole thing could be a misunderstanding. Maybe Loria did tell him to buy a house. Maybe he didn't.

But why would he tell him to? I mean, it literally makes no sense. Loria gains nothing there.

But why would he tell him to? I mean, it literally makes no sense.

 

Who knows? Or cares? Just blame Loria.

I agree with a previous poster that this could be a lost in translation issue .... the whole tone of that interview is very defensive and Loria doesn't exactly build a bridge of credibility when he starts out with these type of quotes

 

(Your reaction to the negative feedback?)

I haven’t seen anything. I got a few silly phone calls. That was in November. It stopped. I’m hoping maybe we can just call a halt to it all and try and get behind the home team this next year.

 

You haven't seen anything - it's stopped ... yet you are now on a publicity stump, running full page ads and stating that you are "hoping maybe can just call a halt ot it all" .... call a halt to what ... after all "I haven't seen anything ... It stopped"

 

He also lives in this fantasy land where this is his lense

 

“probably approached by 20 or 30 people all of whom congratulated me and said, ‘You had to do what you did.’ To a person.�

 

even from Lorias account they were at a dinner together .... of course even then Loria has to mention that Reyes was at a fundraiser dinner that Loria invited him to. That he sat 2 seats away. That he showed up late. Loria then admits by his own words that they were having a conversation.

 

Reyes says he's going to Dubai. Loria asks him if his wife has been down to Miami. Reyes responds that she has been down to look for a home. Loria says he didn't say anything after that.

 

Why would he ask him about his wife coming to Miami and not talk about his Dubai trip?! After Reyes says that his wife is looking for a home does he just get up and leave? Order another round of wine and scream at someone at the table to create a diversion? Inquire about the pitbull laws in Ontario? Why even put yourself in that situation with a guy you are looking to move?

 

Remember, Reyes never said that it was unsolicited encouragement. Just that he had been encouraged to buy a house and it was mentioned 2 days before he was traded.

 

They could have been at this dinner and in an effort to not to be too akward the conversation could have been like this:

 

Loria: "Has your wife been to Florida"

Reyes: "Yeah, she's down there looking at houses. I think we may finally take your advice and get a home for the season. We're looking at X, Y or Z locations"

Loria: "Well you definitely can't go wrong with any of those. You looking at closing or acting anytime soon?"

Reyes: "Nope - just looking at the time but would like to be settled before the season - maybe i'll swing down after coming back from Dubai"

Loria: "Well best of luck"

 

Loria admits the topic was brought up - I just don't buy for a minute that there was no dialogue around it. He could have stopped short of telling Reyes to buy a house, but I doubt he said nothing or told him he should hold off because he's about to be dealt ... that would be akward and out of place.

 

More realistically is he kept the conversation superficial and then circled back with his agent/manager after the event. Which would fit with both of their viewpoints.

But why would he tell him to? I mean, it literally makes no sense.

 

Who knows? Or cares? Just blame Loria.That seems fair.

But why would he tell him to? I mean, it literally makes no sense.

 

Who knows? Or cares? Just blame Loria.That seems fair.

 

 

Doesn't it?

But why would he tell him to? I mean, it literally makes no sense.

 

Who knows? Or cares? Just blame Loria.That seems fair.

 

 

Doesn't it?

 

 

Thanks for proving my point!

http://news.yahoo.com/marlins-owner-says-didnt-renege-promises-180146430--mlb.html?.tsrc=yahoo

But why would he tell him to? I mean, it literally makes no sense.

 

Who knows? Or cares? Just blame Loria.That seems fair.

 

 

Doesn't it?

 

 

Thanks for proving my point!

 

 

We all win except for Jose Reyes!

So, you're just never going to answer the question? That just backs up what I said earlier, some people have a bias with Loria when it comes to everything. This is a case where it makes zero sense to believe Reyes' side of the story.

 

I did answer your question. A couple of times. There is no reason for Reyes to lie here. It seems as if Loria told him to buy a house on the promise that he would be in Miami for the long haul(much like their promise not to trade him in spite of a no-trade clause, which Mark Buehrle says he also received) and then two days later when this big trade materialized seemingly out of thin air, Reyes was gone along with two broken promises in one fell swoop.

 

As why Loria would lie, well he did just commence a trade that pretty well universally disgusted and infuriated the entire world of professional baseball. It was unpopular and widely mocked. And this comes out which makes them look worse than they already do. It is damage control.

 

On top of that, you have Loria's very pronounced history of lying about pretty much everything, from the teams finances to commitments(the backloaded contract/no trade/shut fans up/get rid of them after one season has become their hallmark, i.e. when they signed Delgado in an attempt to show they would spend in their initial pushes for a new stadium and dealing him when the plan fell through despite a good season, much like Reyes).

 

Loria has never given any reason to trust him as an owner.

I wonder what his excuse will be when we trade Stanton.