Hard to sign here long term if they never had any intention of offering him a long term contract.

The Marlins are waiting a year to see what happens.

 

This year is not going to be good.

The relationship with Stanton isn't going to get any better.

The Marlins will realize that the team sucks so much that the quickest way to improve it is by trading Stanton for assets they need.

 

My prediction.

Regardless of what side anyone is on at this point, when and if the Stanton trade goes down, I don't really see how anyone could support Loria at that point. It would be an even worse PR blunder than last fall.

This is crazy. In this thread I'm on record as not having a problem with Lorias letter in the newspaper Sunday... thanks to the new PR firm it was softened up well enough for me. But now that we read what Loria had to say out of his own damn mouth yesterday to the media, I'm back to wanting to punch him in the huevos.

 

What an idiot.

 

The things he said about Buerhle made no sense. He basically said Buerhle isn't worth anything and his contract didn't fit into their plans. Well then whyd u offer him that fn contract!!??!?!?!! Its as simple as that, YOU and ur FO made that offer. And nothing about Mark Buerhle changed a year later, he's the same consistent person. How dare u suddenly say he doesn't fit ur plans. When u signed him for four years... it took u a whole year to realize what four years really meant?

 

Reyes? Nobody can prove who said what but Loria basically called Reyes and his agent a liar and just moved on. Pretty sketchy explanation if u ask me. Covering it up just cuz Reyes and his agent arent there to answer back?

 

Stanton... i cant believe he can be so meh about the contract situation. It doesnt sound like he even cares to keep stanton passed 2013. And for him and Samson to say the chances havent changed even 1 percent, how can u be so stupid, so naive? Be honest, admit theres a problem but be humble and optimistic and at least say u hope to get it done. It was just like "eh, we'll see."

 

Ugh ok ok... this one just really got to me.

I believe Loria's description of the Reyes convo. It makes more sense that it went that way. I know some people think Loria is evil but he's not going to tell a guy straight out to go buy a house if he knows what his plans are. Instead, he just didn't say "don't buy one" because there's no reason for him to show his hand before a deal is consummated. What would he gain by doing it the way Reyes described? Laugh to himself methodically while watching Reyes pack a moving van?

The Buehrle stuff he said comes off pretty terribly. It almost admits that the Marlins were reckless in their spending and were simply throwing a ton of money at any high dollar free agent without any real plan in mind.

 

I'm not displeased in the slightest that they dumped Buehrle's overpriced contract. I have just lost all faith in the baseball sense of this group (Loria, Beinfest, Hill, Samson). They were spending a bunch of money without any real strategy. This resulted in a couple of egregious errors (spending $30 million on Heath Bell was insanely idiotic even if he doesn't suck as badly as he did in 2012).

Rich teams can wait until talent proves itself at the Major League level and fill the roster with free agents. The rest must rely on baseball acumen.

 

The Rays are the primo example of a well run, financially challenged team.

 

The Marlins are the primo example of a poorly run, financially challenged team - but one in much better financial shape than the Rays ever will be.

 

The Marlins' problem is management of the on the field operations. Baseball management exhibits poor judgment of talent, lousy hiring decisions of coaching to develop talent and a tolerance for shoddy physical training and medical practices.

 

The poor baseball operations management problem is exacerbated by the interference in those operations by ownership and his step son.

 

Loria cannot lead the Marlins to consistent excellence. He lacks the skills. And what skills he has are overcome by his ego.

I'm still pissed Loria traded Mike Piazza.

 

The story on line has been amended and Passan removed the players he wrongfully included.

Also did anyone else have difficulty e-mailing Passan to tell him how much of an idiot he is?

Passan is, what shall we say, misguided and always has been.

 

Loria got rid of Buehrle because he would have popped his (already horrendous) loss up by 5 totally unnecessary million dollars this year for what would be at best his usual average performance.

 

Reyes is a pure liar. Nobody in their right mind thinks Loria gave him any direct, solicited advice about buying a house or anything else. Maybe at some point he said "Hey, Florida is great, you should live here" or something like that. Not that it matters, if you're so stupid as to not get it in writing when concluding a contract worth over 100 million dollars, then you and your agent (and/or your lawyers) are total morons, get over it, you screwed up, and stop blaming someone else.

Loria's statement below makes no sense. If he's not getting negative feedback, why take out a full page ad in the papers?

 

(Your reaction to the negative feedback?)

I haven’t seen anything. I got a few silly phone calls. That was in November. It stopped. I’m hoping maybe we can just call a halt to it all and try and get behind the home team this next year.

Passan is, what shall we say, misguided and always has been.

 

Loria got rid of Buehrle because he would have popped his (already horrendous) loss up by 5 totally unnecessary million dollars this year for what would be at best his usual average performance.

 

Reyes is a pure liar. Nobody in their right mind thinks Loria gave him any direct, solicited advice about buying a house or anything else. Maybe at some point he said "Hey, Florida is great, you should live here" or something like that. Not that it matters, if you're so stupid as to not get it in writing when concluding a contract worth over 100 million dollars, then you and your agent (and/or your lawyers) are total morons, get over it, you screwed up, and stop blaming someone else.

 

Most of that is probably true, but Reyes certainly had every reason to believe he would be staying a little longer than half a season. Sure, owners can't tip their hands about possible moves, but remember that this owner likes to cozy up to players (dinner in Paris with Stanton, etc.), so when the deception is finally made known it seems more like a personal betrayal.

 

And as for Buerhle, why bother to make up that ridiculous explanation when he could simply say what you just said. He had already explained that they were having financial troubles, so it wasn't any mystery. It's these frequent nonsensical statements that lead fans to distrust anything the owner says.

So far, season-ticket sales are about half what they were a year ago, and the team isn’t sure it can sell out Opening Day on April 8

 

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/02/26/3253828/marlins-saw-trouble-with-tickets.html#storylink=cpy

Our thinking: sign to an extension after a while, but he may be too expensive then.

Rays thinking: (Random woman) "Oh I'm pregnant!" (Rays) "We'd like to sign your future child right now to a 29 year $450,000 deal."

 

Don't think your analogy is accurate. The Rays hedge their bets wisely, not giving random players extensions. Maybe if the random woman was a track star at some point in her life.

The Buehrle stuff he said comes off pretty terribly. It almost admits that the Marlins were reckless in their spending and were simply throwing a ton of money at any high dollar free agent without any real plan in mind.

 

I'm not displeased in the slightest that they dumped Buehrle's overpriced contract. I have just lost all faith in the baseball sense of this group (Loria, Beinfest, Hill, Samson). They were spending a bunch of money without any real strategy. This resulted in a couple of egregious errors (spending $30 million on Heath Bell was insanely idiotic even if he doesn't suck as badly as he did in 2012).

 

I hate agreeing with you first and foremost.

 

This is the real issue. Every few years it seems these morons decide (aka MLB tells them to spend) to spend some money and bring in some free agents. Oddly enough, they then seem to trade them away 6-18 months later.

 

I mean its not like there isnt some pattern here.

 

A real baseball organization that really cared about winning would have sacked the front office years ago. But the Marlins care about making money first, winning second.

 

If you want to say its not true, then look at the real numbers.

 

Winning = job security.

 

Mediocrity = being sacked.

 

You cant live on a World Series for a decade with nothing resembling a post season appearance in a decade.

 

The Marlins now have the second longest postseason drought in the National League. Only the ineptness of the Pirates keep the Marlins from that title.

What fan base there is in Miami will never support the team through actual attendance so long as Loria owns the Marlins.

 

When and if Loria's ego is overcome by red ink, he will sell the team.

 

If that instance never arrives, fans and prospective fans will have to wait the overweight seventy three year old's departure from this mortal coil.

Our thinking: sign to an extension after a while, but he may be too expensive then.

Rays thinking: (Random woman) "Oh I'm pregnant!" (Rays) "We'd like to sign your future child right now to a 29 year $450,000 deal."

 

Don't think your analogy is accurate. The Rays hedge their bets wisely, not giving random players extensions. Maybe if the random woman was a track star at some point in her life.Jennie Finch.

Did anyone else here the audio clip on 790 where Loria said 20 or 30 people came up to at a wine and food festival and congratulated him on the trade? I just can't believe that. Maybe a couple of his friends congratulated him but random people?

Did anyone else here the audio clip on 790 where Loria said 20 or 30 people came up to at a wine and food festival and congratulated him on the trade? I just can't believe that. Maybe a couple of his friends congratulated him but random people?

 

I wonder if he asked any of those people if they were ticket holders or attended more than a random game or two or even cares about baseball. Otherwise, they only know what is happening because it has been on the front pages.

What fan base there is in Miami will never support the team through actual attendance so long as Loria owns the Marlins.

 

When and if Loria's ego is overcome by red ink, he will sell the team.

 

If that instance never arrives, fans and prospective fans will have to wait the overweight seventy three year old's departure from this mortal coil.

 

There is no red ink when he does this. He makes bundles. Drop payroll, lower attendance, higher profits. He does not care otherwise and if his blind squirrel finds a nut, ok, then he takes the credit.

He's almost certainly exaggerating or outright lying. The FO keeps making these claims that anonymous people are praising them for what they did, but won't say who.

Should he have said "John Smith came up to me and said blah blah?" I don't know if John Smith would appreciate that much.

I think it's goofy because it's not like loria is hanging out at a food truck festival or a beer week celebration that the general public is hanging out at

 

In fact, it sounds like this one is the winner

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/food-network-south-beach-wine-131500466.html

 

http://www.sobefest.com/events.php?cat_id=All

 

This is the event his wife was connected with at the ballpark - $225 a person to attend

http://www.sobefest.com/diamond

 

Now out of that group how many people do you think actually have enough access to Loria? How many of them are going to a fundraiser at the ballpark, hosted in part by his wife to tell him that they think he's awful? There are plenty of other events to go spend your money on if you don't like the Lorias and if you have strong feelings against them I'm guessing that's exactly what you would do.

 

Also, did Jeffrey ask the follow up question? - You like the moves we made, great! - Here we are in our lovely ballpark, let's break out that checkbook right now and we can go do a select a seat for a ticket package, suite rental, etc.

Admin, do you thibk Loria is a good owner?

Passan is, what shall we say, misguided and always has been.

 

Loria got rid of Buehrle because he would have popped his (already horrendous) loss up by 5 totally unnecessary million dollars this year for what would be at best his usual average performance.

 

Reyes is a pure liar. Nobody in their right mind thinks Loria gave him any direct, solicited advice about buying a house or anything else. Maybe at some point he said "Hey, Florida is great, you should live here" or something like that. Not that it matters, if you're so stupid as to not get it in writing when concluding a contract worth over 100 million dollars, then you and your agent (and/or your lawyers) are total morons, get over it, you screwed up, and stop blaming someone else.

 

So you are still trying to convince people the Marlins lost money last year?

 

And as for Reyes, he has no reason to lie. Loria has every reason to lie.

I guess I dont get how they could have possibly lost money last year. They made close to $70 million before a single ticket was sold from revenue sharing and TV deals.