What did Brantly do that was so bad?

 

And this team isnt a contender next year under any circumstance.

 

 

You're the best at saying bold things.

I just think some of you really jump the gun in your expectations. Hell, man of you were doing it before this year.

 

 

Yeah, that's not true.

I think the best move forward is to sit pat and give Dietrich and Brantly next year to get their shit straight. If they don't, start looking to make trades for replacements. I guess McCann wouldn't be an awful signing, but I just don't think next year is the year.

I think we're going to see Loria going a bit wild on the spending again. It'd be a huge ego boost for him if this team returns to contention only 1 year after the firesale.

I think we're going to see Loria going a bit wild on the spending again. It'd be a huge ego boost for him if this team returns to contention only 1 year after the firesale.

 

I agree. If not this year, the year after. If they can't lock Stanton up and trade him, then I see it happening this year for certain.

I think the best move forward is to sit pat and give Dietrich and Brantly next year to get their s*** straight. If they don't, start looking to make trades for replacements. I guess McCann wouldn't be an awful signing, but I just don't think next year is the year.

 

Next year wouldn't need to be the year to contend, but if you're signing someone it wouldn't (hopefully) be for just next season. And if you can gey the right signings there could be a significant jump in production. Which makes contention in the next year or two more realistic.

 

You also have to take into consideration it had been a down year for Stanton too.

 

 

Plus, McCann would be a "big" sign, but its not like anyone is looking for the team to sign Cano.

I guess McCann wouldn't be an awful signing, but I just don't think next year is the year.

 

 

It really depends on what Loria thinks, he has taken a lot of shit over the Toronto trade and how they got the ballpark done. There have been Marlins beat writers who have reported that Loria won't trade Stanton because he wants to win and show everyone they were right to make those moves.

 

I think we're going to see Loria going a bit wild on the spending again. It'd be a huge ego boost for him if this team returns to contention only 1 year after the firesale.

 

 

You posted that as I was having the same thought, he is going to want to prove the world wrong. If he feels the team is close then Heaney is going to start with the Marlins in 2014, he's going to make a few signings in order to prove he was right all along.

 

He also wants the opportunity to say....

So what you guys are saying is...

 

 

We're gonna sign Robinson Cano, Brian McCann, and win the world series.

 

 

As much as I think that Mathis sucks offensively, I think you settle with him as your starting catcher next season. It's hard to measure the impact it has in real value, but the pitchers clearly like throwing to him--especially Fernandez.

 

I'm of the belief that you can tolerate shitty offensive production from your catcher as long as he works well with pitchers. I wouldn't go out and try to sign a catcher for the next season. I'd try to compensate for Mathis' bad offense by adding at one of the other positions. The Marlins desperately need another power bat in the lineup.

That makes a lot of sense to me and I had a similar thought as well. If we can add a big bat at 2B or 3B, then we can accept a mostly defensive catcher. We have to add a power bat to pair with Stanton or we're going to continue to struggle offensively.

I just think some of you really jump the gun in your expectations. Hell, man of you were doing it before this year.

 

 

Yeah, that's not true.

 

 

Its very much true.

I actually think Cano might be a very smart signing. It fills a need and you know Jay-Z is going to start marketing him and drawing attention to him - and by association his team. No way it'll happen because it's much easier to sell his image in LA or New York, but THAT would be a move that carries value in multiple dimensions.

As much as I think that Mathis sucks offensively, I think you settle with him as your starting catcher next season. It's hard to measure the impact it has in real value, but the pitchers clearly like throwing to him--especially Fernandez.

 

I'm of the belief that you can tolerate sh*tty offensive production from your catcher as long as he works well with pitchers. I wouldn't go out and try to sign a catcher for the next season. I'd try to compensate for Mathis' bad offense by adding at one of the other positions. The Marlins desperately need another power bat in the lineup.

 

I think most people would want to keep Mathis while still upgrading the position. Mathis would probably work with 2 of the pitchers (Jose definitely)

I actually think Cano might be a very smart signing. It fills a need and you know Jay-Z is going to start marketing him and drawing attention to him - and by association his team. No way it'll happen because it's much easier to sell his image in LA or New York, but THAT would be a move that carries value in multiple dimensions.

 

 

The Yanks will lock him up, I'd be absolutely stunned if he goes anywhere else especially now that they will be off the hook for A-Roid for at least next season.

Yeah, no way Cano moves anywhere. Not only is it a huge market, they can also pay him whatever he wants, essentially.

 

Granted, Marlins were very big in the pujols race so I doubt they wouldn't at least dip their feet in the water.

 

 

But he's not going anywhere.

 

 

Btw, I find it funny that this turned from a "burn brantly" thread to a discussion about free agency and playoffs.

I just think some of you really jump the gun in your expectations. Hell, man of you were doing it before this year.

 

 

Yeah, that's not true.

 

 

Its very much true.

 

 

 

 

Really? List the number of posters on here who thought this team would be a playoff contender.

As much as I think that Mathis sucks offensively, I think you settle with him as your starting catcher next season. It's hard to measure the impact it has in real value, but the pitchers clearly like throwing to him--especially Fernandez.

 

I'm of the belief that you can tolerate sh*tty offensive production from your catcher as long as he works well with pitchers. I wouldn't go out and try to sign a catcher for the next season. I'd try to compensate for Mathis' bad offense by adding at one of the other positions. The Marlins desperately need another power bat in the lineup.

 

I think most people would want to keep Mathis while still upgrading the position. Mathis would probably work with 2 of the pitchers (Jose definitely)

 

 

I think that it's pretty dumb to spend the surely limited offseason funds on the catcher's position when there are gaping holes at other positions.

 

Catcher is the position with least amount of good talent available. Stick with Mathis since the pitchers like him and add elsewhere.

I do not want Cano. Not that we'd ever have a chance at such a thing, but his contract is going to just be another ridiculous overpayment when it's all said and done.

I just think some of you really jump the gun in your expectations. Hell, man of you were doing it before this year.

 

 

Yeah, that's not true.

 

 

Its very much true.

 

 

 

 

Really? List the number of posters on here who thought this team would be a playoff contender.

 

 

 

 

I think I was the most optimistic one here and even I said 75 wins. Nowhere close to playoff contention.

As much as I think that Mathis sucks offensively, I think you settle with him as your starting catcher next season. It's hard to measure the impact it has in real value, but the pitchers clearly like throwing to him--especially Fernandez.

 

I'm of the belief that you can tolerate sh*tty offensive production from your catcher as long as he works well with pitchers. I wouldn't go out and try to sign a catcher for the next season. I'd try to compensate for Mathis' bad offense by adding at one of the other positions. The Marlins desperately need another power bat in the lineup.

 

I think most people would want to keep Mathis while still upgrading the position. Mathis would probably work with 2 of the pitchers (Jose definitely)

 

 

I think that it's pretty dumb to spend the surely limited offseason funds on the catcher's position when there are gaping holes at other positions.

 

Catcher is the position with least amount of good talent available. Stick with Mathis since the pitchers like him and add elsewhere.

 

 

 

 

I don't think that's true.

As much as I think that Mathis sucks offensively, I think you settle with him as your starting catcher next season. It's hard to measure the impact it has in real value, but the pitchers clearly like throwing to him--especially Fernandez.

 

I'm of the belief that you can tolerate sh*tty offensive production from your catcher as long as he works well with pitchers. I wouldn't go out and try to sign a catcher for the next season. I'd try to compensate for Mathis' bad offense by adding at one of the other positions. The Marlins desperately need another power bat in the lineup.

 

I think most people would want to keep Mathis while still upgrading the position. Mathis would probably work with 2 of the pitchers (Jose definitely)

I think that it's pretty dumb to spend the surely limited offseason funds on the catcher's position when there are gaping holes at other positions.

 

Catcher is the position with least amount of good talent available. Stick with Mathis since the pitchers like him and add elsewhere.

 

There are other holes, sure. But there also aren't a ton of free agents at those holes that would be worth it.

As much as I think that Mathis sucks offensively, I think you settle with him as your starting catcher next season. It's hard to measure the impact it has in real value, but the pitchers clearly like throwing to him--especially Fernandez.

 

I'm of the belief that you can tolerate sh*tty offensive production from your catcher as long as he works well with pitchers. I wouldn't go out and try to sign a catcher for the next season. I'd try to compensate for Mathis' bad offense by adding at one of the other positions. The Marlins desperately need another power bat in the lineup.

 

I think most people would want to keep Mathis while still upgrading the position. Mathis would probably work with 2 of the pitchers (Jose definitely)I think that it's pretty dumb to spend the surely limited offseason funds on the catcher's position when there are gaping holes at other positions.

 

Catcher is the position with least amount of good talent available. Stick with Mathis since the pitchers like him and add elsewhere.

 

There are other holes, sure. But there also aren't a ton of free agents at those holes that would be worth it.

 

 

 

 

Catcher has the least amount of enticing free agents (as usual). So why would that be worth it?

As much as I think that Mathis sucks offensively, I think you settle with him as your starting catcher next season. It's hard to measure the impact it has in real value, but the pitchers clearly like throwing to him--especially Fernandez.

 

I'm of the belief that you can tolerate sh*tty offensive production from your catcher as long as he works well with pitchers. I wouldn't go out and try to sign a catcher for the next season. I'd try to compensate for Mathis' bad offense by adding at one of the other positions. The Marlins desperately need another power bat in the lineup.

 

I think most people would want to keep Mathis while still upgrading the position. Mathis would probably work with 2 of the pitchers (Jose definitely)I think that it's pretty dumb to spend the surely limited offseason funds on the catcher's position when there are gaping holes at other positions.

 

Catcher is the position with least amount of good talent available. Stick with Mathis since the pitchers like him and add elsewhere.

 

There are other holes, sure. But there also aren't a ton of free agents at those holes that would be worth it.

 

 

 

 

Catcher has the least amount of enticing free agents (as usual). So why would that be worth it?

 

 

 

 

Does it?

As much as I think that Mathis sucks offensively, I think you settle with him as your starting catcher next season. It's hard to measure the impact it has in real value, but the pitchers clearly like throwing to him--especially Fernandez.

 

I'm of the belief that you can tolerate sh*tty offensive production from your catcher as long as he works well with pitchers. I wouldn't go out and try to sign a catcher for the next season. I'd try to compensate for Mathis' bad offense by adding at one of the other positions. The Marlins desperately need another power bat in the lineup.

 

I think most people would want to keep Mathis while still upgrading the position. Mathis would probably work with 2 of the pitchers (Jose definitely)

 

 

I think that it's pretty dumb to spend the surely limited offseason funds on the catcher's position when there are gaping holes at other positions.

 

Catcher is the position with least amount of good talent available. Stick with Mathis since the pitchers like him and add elsewhere.

 

 

 

 

I don't think that's true.

 

 

 

 

In the 2014 FA class, I'd say it is.

That was by far one of the saddest games I've ever seen by a catcher in the Majors. Not like they any real options in the minors at this point but its time for Brantly to spend the rest of August in New Orleans. If he was hitting like last season I could forgive the defensive lapses, but he is not. As for all the talk about signing McCann that's just crazy.... Its going to be a looooong time before anyone e worth a damn signs with the Marlins, that or the Marlins are going to have sign waaaayyy above market value.