As much as I think that Mathis sucks offensively, I think you settle with him as your starting catcher next season. It's hard to measure the impact it has in real value, but the pitchers clearly like throwing to him--especially Fernandez.

 

I'm of the belief that you can tolerate sh*tty offensive production from your catcher as long as he works well with pitchers. I wouldn't go out and try to sign a catcher for the next season. I'd try to compensate for Mathis' bad offense by adding at one of the other positions. The Marlins desperately need another power bat in the lineup.

 

I think most people would want to keep Mathis while still upgrading the position. Mathis would probably work with 2 of the pitchers (Jose definitely)

 

 

I think that it's pretty dumb to spend the surely limited offseason funds on the catcher's position when there are gaping holes at other positions.

 

Catcher is the position with least amount of good talent available. Stick with Mathis since the pitchers like him and add elsewhere.

 

 

 

 

I don't think that's true.

 

 

 

 

In the 2014 FA class, I'd say it is.

 

 

 

 

It's no worse than the other positions of need. It's arguably better.

I do not want Cano. Not that we'd ever have a chance at such a thing, but his contract is going to just be another ridiculous overpayment when it's all said and done.

 

 

I don't see why McCann would be any better. Catchers don't age well and he'll be crossing over onto the wrong side of 30.

 

You would be overpaying him if you signed him too.

There are 3 main holes. 3B, 2B, and C. Of those, C has probably the most "enticing", and realistic, free agents.

I do not want Cano. Not that we'd ever have a chance at such a thing, but his contract is going to just be another ridiculous overpayment when it's all said and done.

 

 

I don't see why McCann would be any better. Catchers don't age well and he'll be crossing over onto the wrong side of 30.

 

You would be overpaying him if you signed him too.

 

 

Cano wants a 10-year contract. Even if he doesn't get it, he'll probably get 7 minimum.

 

McCann could probably be had at a 3-year deal. And he's about 30x better than Rob Brantly.

But even if you don't want McCann, there are other guys out there. Pierzynski could probably be a nice stopgap for a year.

It's no worse than the other positions of need. It's arguably better.

 

 

Who's there besides McCann and Salty?

I just think some of you really jump the gun in your expectations. Hell, man of you were doing it before this year.

 

 

Yeah, that's not true.

 

 

Its very much true.

 

 

 

 

Really? List the number of posters on here who thought this team would be a playoff contender.

 

 

 

 

Thats not what I said at all. But there were many on here predicting win totals in the mid 70s to 80s.

It's no worse than the other positions of need. It's arguably better.

 

 

Who's there besides McCann and Salty?

 

 

Pierzynski

 

And other options who are cheap and good defensively. And way better than Rob Brantly.

 

Which positions would you prefer to upgrade?

I just think some of you really jump the gun in your expectations. Hell, man of you were doing it before this year.

 

 

Yeah, that's not true.

 

 

Its very much true.

 

 

 

 

Really? List the number of posters on here who thought this team would be a playoff contender.

 

 

 

 

Thats not what I said at all. But there were many on here predicting win totals in the mid 70s to 80s.

 

 

 

 

 

And that could still happen, really. Also, I don't recall anyone saying we'd win 80 games. Piazza31 thought we'd finish ahead of the Braves for whatever reason. That's about the only absurd thing I remember from the offseason.

 

When people were making those predictions, a lot of the injuries that occurred hadn't happened yet. I think most people wanted this year's team to be better than last year's and that's still a possibility. Nothing absurd was really said in the offseason with the exception of a couple of people.

I'd much rather get someone decent at 2nd/3rd than catcher.

 

I said it before, I wouldn't mind bringing Infante back.

I do not want Cano. Not that we'd ever have a chance at such a thing, but his contract is going to just be another ridiculous overpayment when it's all said and done.

 

 

I don't see why McCann would be any better. Catchers don't age well and he'll be crossing over onto the wrong side of 30.

 

You would be overpaying him if you signed him too.

 

 

Cano wants a 10-year contract. Even if he doesn't get it, he'll probably get 7 minimum.

 

McCann could probably be had at a 3-year deal. And he's about 30x better than Rob Brantly.

But even if you don't want McCann, there are other guys out there. Pierzynski could probably be a nice stopgap for a year.

 

 

 

 

I'm not really saying that I want Cano either. I'm saying that there's room to add stopgaps at other positions. Frankly I'm not even sold on Morrison having enough fielding/hitting ability (and health) to be a valuable first baseman.

 

I'd like to see another power bat in the lineup even if it entails moving around some players' positions.

I'd much rather get someone decent at 2nd/3rd than catcher.

 

I said it before, I wouldn't mind bringing Infante back.

 

 

I do not understand why we can't get both a catcher and a 2B/3B or whatever.

 

Loria could afford to pay a couple of good free agents this offseason and still have one of the lowest payrolls in baseball.

I would take any other catcher, really. Brantly is the worst. Beinfest should not be allowed to trade for catchers anymore.

 

Hypothetically, I have to ask, would u take Buck over Brantly?

I do not want Cano. Not that we'd ever have a chance at such a thing, but his contract is going to just be another ridiculous overpayment when it's all said and done.

 

 

I don't see why McCann would be any better. Catchers don't age well and he'll be crossing over onto the wrong side of 30.

 

You would be overpaying him if you signed him too.

 

 

Cano wants a 10-year contract. Even if he doesn't get it, he'll probably get 7 minimum.

 

McCann could probably be had at a 3-year deal. And he's about 30x better than Rob Brantly.

But even if you don't want McCann, there are other guys out there. Pierzynski could probably be a nice stopgap for a year.

 

 

 

 

I'm not really saying that I want Cano either. I'm saying that there's room to add stopgaps at other positions. Frankly I'm not even sold on Morrison having enough fielding/hitting ability (and health) to be a valuable first baseman.

 

I'd like to see another power bat in the lineup even if it entails moving around some players' positions.

 

 

 

 

I feel like McCann is probably the best solution available to help that problem.

 

I also don't understand why we should be content with Mathis as our starting C.

I would take any other catcher, really. Brantly is the worst. Beinfest should not be allowed to trade for catchers anymore.

 

Hypothetically, I have to ask, would u take Buck over Brantly?

 

 

No because Buck sucks and won't be making league minimum. Buck is a better player than Brantly, though. That's how bad Brantly is.

It's no worse than the other positions of need. It's arguably better.

 

 

Who's there besides McCann and Salty?

 

 

Pierzynski

 

And other options who are cheap and good defensively. And way better than Rob Brantly.

 

Which positions would you prefer to upgrade?

 

 

 

 

Second base should be the priority because it has the least amount of minor league depth.

I'd much rather get someone decent at 2nd/3rd than catcher.

 

I said it before, I wouldn't mind bringing Infante back.

 

 

Exactly. Infante was one of the players I had in mind too.

It's no worse than the other positions of need. It's arguably better.

 

 

Who's there besides McCann and Salty?

 

 

Pierzynski

 

And other options who are cheap and good defensively. And way better than Rob Brantly.

 

Which positions would you prefer to upgrade?

 

 

 

 

Second base should be the priority because it has the least amount of minor league depth.

 

 

 

 

I don't think that's true either unless if you're a big fan of Austin Barnes.

I do not want Cano. Not that we'd ever have a chance at such a thing, but his contract is going to just be another ridiculous overpayment when it's all said and done.

 

 

I don't see why McCann would be any better. Catchers don't age well and he'll be crossing over onto the wrong side of 30.

 

You would be overpaying him if you signed him too.

 

 

Cano wants a 10-year contract. Even if he doesn't get it, he'll probably get 7 minimum.

 

McCann could probably be had at a 3-year deal. And he's about 30x better than Rob Brantly.

But even if you don't want McCann, there are other guys out there. Pierzynski could probably be a nice stopgap for a year.

 

 

 

 

I'm not really saying that I want Cano either. I'm saying that there's room to add stopgaps at other positions. Frankly I'm not even sold on Morrison having enough fielding/hitting ability (and health) to be a valuable first baseman.

 

I'd like to see another power bat in the lineup even if it entails moving around some players' positions.

 

 

 

 

I feel like McCann is probably the best solution available to help that problem.

 

I also don't understand why we should be content with Mathis as our starting C.

 

 

 

 

Maybe because you seem to expect the Marlins to be willing to spend more money than I do.

Just read through the entire thread and now im standing here in a corner alone holding a flaming torch and a pitchfork ... I thought this thread was about lynching Brantly and now im trying to imagine McCann in red-orange.

Just read through the entire thread and now im standing here in a corner alone holding a flaming torch and a pitchfork ... I thought this thread was about lynching Brantly and now im trying to imagine McCann in red-orange.

 

 

There's a connection, it comes from the natural progression of Brantly sucks (with no one arguing against it) to... who could we replace him with?

 

Is Bell still partly on the payroll next year? Was it $4 million or so?

 

In April, Samson said the Marlins need attendance of about 30,000 to afford a $80 million payroll, far better than the estimated $35 million players earn now. Our average attendance this year is 17,972 so if Samson is going on that s***... what is that going to get us?

It's no worse than the other positions of need. It's arguably better.

 

 

Who's there besides McCann and Salty?

 

 

Pierzynski

 

And other options who are cheap and good defensively. And way better than Rob Brantly.

 

Which positions would you prefer to upgrade?

 

 

 

 

Second base should be the priority because it has the least amount of minor league depth.

 

 

 

 

I don't think that's true either unless if you're a big fan of Austin Barnes.

 

 

 

 

I meant outside of C (2B as opposed to 3B or something). In general I'm more inclined to accept mediocre offensive production from guys like Mathis at C than I am IF/OF. I'm starting to be a believer in things like CERA and think that a combo of Mathis+someone not Brantly would be satisfactory if the Marlins addressed needs elsewhere.

Just read through the entire thread and now im standing here in a corner alone holding a flaming torch and a pitchfork ... I thought this thread was about lynching Brantly and now im trying to imagine McCann in red-orange.

 

There's a connection, it comes from the natural progression of Brantly sucks (with no one arguing against it) to... who could we replace him with?

 

Is Bell still partly on the payroll next year? Was it $4 million or so?

 

In April, Samson said the Marlins need attendance of about 30,000 to afford a $80 million payroll, far better than the estimated $35 million players earn now. Our average attendance this year is 17,972 so if Samson is going on that s***... what is that going to get us? Well assuming that Samson isn't delusional, his problem isn't how much he spends next year based on how much fans contributed this year bu rather how to maximize the value of his expenditures so fans contribute more. HP doesn't promise to release a faster computer if enough people buy current models, and restaurants don't promise better meals if people show up to buy these meals. This is the gist of why these people suck. It's their job to get consumers to spend on them. Just because they tricked a handful of halfwit politicians into funding a ballpark in a city where stupidity and mediocrity seem to be qualifications doesn't mean consumers are going to respond the same way.

Just read through the entire thread and now im standing here in a corner alone holding a flaming torch and a pitchfork ... I thought this thread was about lynching Brantly and now im trying to imagine McCann in red-orange.

 

There's a connection, it comes from the natural progression of Brantly sucks (with no one arguing against it) to... who could we replace him with?

Lol I know, I got it but I had to laugh cuz the game ended, I threw a verbal tirade at my TV directed towards Brantly, then I said let me take a shower to cool off, after the shower I was like "screw that punk im going to the boards to see if anyone else is as angry!"... I get here and find this thread with Erick opening it with the perfect thoughts, then im like Yess! Load up all the weapons!!! Then ten minutes later im going "Cano? Hmm."

Just read through the entire thread and now im standing here in a corner alone holding a flaming torch and a pitchfork ... I thought this thread was about lynching Brantly and now im trying to imagine McCann in red-orange.

 

There's a connection, it comes from the natural progression of Brantly sucks (with no one arguing against it) to... who could we replace him with?

 

Is Bell still partly on the payroll next year? Was it $4 million or so?

 

In April, Samson said the Marlins need attendance of about 30,000 to afford a $80 million payroll, far better than the estimated $35 million players earn now. Our average attendance this year is 17,972 so if Samson is going on that s***... what is that going to get us? Well assuming that Samson isn't delusional, his problem isn't how much he spends next year based on how much fans contributed this year bu rather how to maximize the value of his expenditures so fans contribute more. HP doesn't promise to release a faster computer if enough people buy current models, and restaurants don't promise better meals if people show up to buy these meals. This is the gist of why these people suck. It's their job to get consumers to spend on them. Just because they tricked a handful of halfwit politicians into funding a ballpark in a city where stupidity and mediocrity seem to be qualifications doesn't mean consumers are going to respond the same way.

 

Well said, I like this analogy, I'm gonna have to use it when I speak baseball to, um, "lesser" baseball fans.

I thought this thread would be hating on Brantly for not getting the tying run in tonight.