Dietrich hit in the face by a bad hop today. Uh oh.

 

Also, yeah, I didn't like Furcals signing much from the beginning. Gave him too much money as a typical Marlins career reclamation project that probably won't work. I'd much rather see Dietrich out there. I'd even like to see Solano over Furcal.

 

Talk about the lesser of two evils. Damn.

Dietrich hit in the face by a bad hop today. Uh oh.

 

Also, yeah, I didn't like Furcals signing much from the beginning. Gave him too much money as a typical Marlins career reclamation project that probably won't work. I'd much rather see Dietrich out there. I'd even like to see Solano over Furcal.

 

Talk about the lesser of two evils. Damn.

Dietrich's tough, hope he's fine. That'd be a big blow.

Keep in mind that they signed Furcal when I believe Kelly Johnson was on the market for basically the same price.

Keep in mind that they signed Furcal when I believe Kelly Johnson was on the market for basically the same price.

Dietrich could probably give you Kelly Johnson production at least. I still don't get what the whole point of Furcal is.

Dietrich could probably give you Kelly Johnson production at least. I still don't get what the whole point of Furcal is.

 

He's a $3.5 million mentor apparently.

Dietrich could probably give you Kelly Johnson production at least. I still don't get what the whole point of Furcal is.

True, which is why paying him $3.5 million to play out of position a year after he didn't play is insane on many levels.

.....that's so Marlins.

 

Dietrich ain't the answer at 2B. Trade Stanton for the Rangers best prospects -- 2B Rougned Odor and OF Michael Choice plus Elvis Andrus and call it a day.

Dietrich isn't the future but you might as well let him play while Stanton is still here and put Furcal out to pasture.

Why don't we let Dietrich decide if he's not the future? A lot of people said that about Hanley Ramirez and his rather unimpressive minor league numbers heading into 2006. Let him swing the bat, if he sucks, move on. But the tools are there for a productive major league second baseman.

See Wild Card this is where you get yourself in trouble in comparing a 20/21 year old Hanley to Derek Dietrich lol

See Wild Card this is where you get yourself in trouble in comparing a 20/21 year old Hanley to Derek Dietrich lol

OK, bad example. Still, let's not write off promising young players before the season starts.

OK, bad example. Still, let's not write off promising young players before the season starts.

 

No one is writing him off. I think we all agree the best idea for the marlins is letting DD play 2b. But again, this is the team that start the worst player in baseball on a daily basis without batting an eye

OK, bad example. Still, let's not write off promising young players before the season starts.

I already explained to you months ago why Dietrich is unlikely to be a long-term option for the Marlins. In short, he has little to offer outside of above average power for a second baseman--a position he probably isn't suited to be manning defensively speaking.

I already explained to you months ago why Dietrich is unlikely to be a long-term option for the Marlins. In short, he has little to offer outside of above average power for a second baseman--a position he probably isn't suited to be manning defensively speaking.

I still don't get why he isn't best suited for second base. Because he's not spanish? He was a SS at Georgia Tech and played just fine there last year. It's like the same myth that Dan Uggla was some terrible second baseman. He should be just fine there long term as long as he picks up the average and patience, which is quite possible.

You have to be joking.

You have to be joking.

No, YOU must be joking. What reason do you have that he shouldn't stick at second? He's fine there.

First of all, what you said about Uggla is idiotic. He was well below average defensively for a second baseman. That's far from a myth.

 

Secondly, Dietrich's poor range makes him a below average second basemen and better suited for a corner infield position. Again, I already explained this to you months ago in addition to his offensive shortcomings.

Uggla's nothing special at second, but he's lasted there his whole career and Dietrich is definitely superior to Uggla with the glove.

 

His range is barely below average, not poor. And he's decently sure handed at second. I see no reason why he wouldn't stick there.

In Uggla's last year with the Marlins, he had the second worst UZR of all 2B in the NL. Lasting his whole career there is not an indication that he is satisfactory there.

 

Dietrich is better than Uggla defensively, but that's beside the point you originally raised. Scouts have been knocking Dietrich for poor range since he was with the Rays, I don't know how you are gathering that he's "barely" below average. His strongest defensive attribute is his arm, which makes him a better candidate for third all things considered. Frankly, though, given his issues with the bat, it kind of doesn't matter what position he plays.

I will observe a moderate degree of caution with respect to the sample size, but in Dietrich's 500 innings at second base last season, he hands down had the worst range score of any NL second baseman in UZR.

 

Dan Uggla, who is not terrible at the position according to you, was only a few hairs better.

UZR also says Adeiny has below average range and I think most of us know that's not the case.

 

I guess I'm with Perry Hill when it comes to defense. I use the good ole stats like errors and fielding percentage, as well as my eyes, to gauge a defenders ability. Defensive metrics are all flawed.

UZR also says Adeiny has below average range and I think most of us know that's not the case.

 

I guess I'm with Perry Hill when it comes to defense. I use the good ole stats like errors and fielding percentage, as well as my eyes, to gauge a defenders ability. Defensive metrics are all flawed.

 

Heiny actually is really bad. He gets bad jumps on balls, which is why we see him make so many lunging and diving plays. A good SS would get to Heiny's diving catches on his feet and make it a simple backhand-and-throw play. Our SS is Derek Jeter without the offense. He makes things look good when he gets to them, he just rarely gets to them.

Just to add a little something to that, I first thought about that part of defense when someone pointed out to me that you rarely see Ichiro making diving catches. Diving catches are definitely amazing and by no means indicate a poor fielder but a fielder who is in the proper position never really has to make diving plays. That's such a great thought that doesn't get mentioned enough.

In 1297.1 innings last season, Adeiny had a -9.0 UZR and -10.0 UZR/150.

 

Adeiny does not (to my knowledge) play golf. Negative numbers are no good in baseball.

Just to add a little something to that, I first thought about that part of defense when someone pointed out to me that you rarely see Ichiro making diving catches. Diving catches are definitely amazing and by no means indicate a poor fielder but a fielder who is in the proper position never really has to make diving plays. That's such a great thought that doesn't get mentioned enough.

 

Case in point was Jim Edmunds. That guy was the best terrible OFer ever. Dude won Gold Gloves by getting bad jumps and taking bad routes to the ball only to make up for it with incredible jumps and dives and slides to catch the ball.

 

I do think Adeiny gets a bad rap, though. I think he's a lot better than the metrics indicate. Back to the point that I believe he had the best range in MLB to his right and the worst to his left... poor positioning. He's not as bad as those numbers suggest.